Religion Thread

[tbc]

Yeah you're right, it's deffinetly not stupid to believe in god and would be very arrogant to say so.

But if someone completely says that basically nothing in science is correct and that the earth is 6000 years old i think that that is quite close-minded for shutting out the possibility that it might've been the laws of physics alone that created the big bang and the universe.

But it is possible that God created the big bang etc etc . That's more believable than someone saying that the earth is 6000 years old and evolution isn't true at all.

That's just what I think.

I a religious person. And i dont say the world is 6000 years old neither do i believe it. Adam might have come to the earth a in 8000-10000 years back BUT homo sapiens might have been there before him just lacking the same human intelligence we see now. first human civilisations the egyptians, babylon and the greece are not older than 10000 years so i think what i m saying is right as these were the first civilisations to demonstrate proper human ways of using brains and developing on them.
I agree with Gustav on the open minded thing. We religious people are not close minded.

Did you read what I said?

If someone completely shuts out another reasoning THAT is being close-minded. If I say NO god does not exist 100% I'm being close-minded because im shutting out a possibility that MIGHT be possible. I just don't think that it is possible.

If a religious person says god 100% exists and doesn't accept any other theories, that is being pretty close-minded to me.

And just for your information homo sapiens have always had the same intelligence since we evolved into them, the only difference is that we have gotten more information and knowledge.

yes. i did. i just gave my view.
BUT if theory of evolution is to be believed. i disagree with you, intelligence is also supposed to be evolve so best genes are favoured to ensure the survival of the fittest. you cant say we had the same intelligence always, its not in agreement with Darwin's theory.
The Holy Book i believe in says when God created Adam and presented him to the angels they said : "This creature will create chaos on the land" To which God replied "i know what you don't know" We believe angels already knew something about the new creation as they knew its one characteristic(chaos) which shows pre-Adam existence of homo sapiens(remains have been found), but God had made a little change and gave him wisdom (brain) which the angels didn't know. angels don't work on freewill, they just submit.
I cannot prove this scientifically and i don't need to. i find many of the people calling themselves open-minded become close-minded when it comes to science, they think it is the only way to believe in anything.

[L_I_S]

Yeah you're right, it's deffinetly not stupid to believe in god and would be very arrogant to say so.

But if someone completely says that basically nothing in science is correct and that the earth is 6000 years old i think that that is quite close-minded for shutting out the possibility that it might've been the laws of physics alone that created the big bang and the universe.

But it is possible that God created the big bang etc etc . That's more believable than someone saying that the earth is 6000 years old and evolution isn't true at all.

That's just what I think.

I a religious person. And i dont say the world is 6000 years old neither do i believe it. Adam might have come to the earth a in 8000-10000 years back BUT homo sapiens might have been there before him just lacking the same human intelligence we see now. first human civilisations the egyptians, babylon and the greece are not older than 10000 years so i think what i m saying is right as these were the first civilisations to demonstrate proper human ways of using brains and developing on them.
I agree with Gustav on the open minded thing. We religious people are not close minded.

Did you read what I said?

If someone completely shuts out another reasoning THAT is being close-minded. If I say NO god does not exist 100% I'm being close-minded because im shutting out a possibility that MIGHT be possible. I just don't think that it is possible.

If a religious person says god 100% exists and doesn't accept any other theories, that is being pretty close-minded to me.

And just for your information homo sapiens have always had the same intelligence since we evolved into them, the only difference is that we have gotten more information and knowledge.

lol but that's how religion works. If you believe in the God you're worshiping, you must believe 100%. There are no inbetweens.

[Royal Freakiness]

is anyone reading my posts or watching the videos i posted? i want to hear the answer of atheists on this forum.
if no one replies, every week i'll post a HUGE post containing all the videos i posted on this forum just to make sure you watch them... 

[Royal Freakiness]

LIS
you talked about the devil tempting ppl
i want to hear your side of the story on why adam and eve were cast out of the heavens. i'm just curious.

[Ricke]

Yeah you're right, it's deffinetly not stupid to believe in god and would be very arrogant to say so.

But if someone completely says that basically nothing in science is correct and that the earth is 6000 years old i think that that is quite close-minded for shutting out the possibility that it might've been the laws of physics alone that created the big bang and the universe.

But it is possible that God created the big bang etc etc . That's more believable than someone saying that the earth is 6000 years old and evolution isn't true at all.

That's just what I think.

I a religious person. And i dont say the world is 6000 years old neither do i believe it. Adam might have come to the earth a in 8000-10000 years back BUT homo sapiens might have been there before him just lacking the same human intelligence we see now. first human civilisations the egyptians, babylon and the greece are not older than 10000 years so i think what i m saying is right as these were the first civilisations to demonstrate proper human ways of using brains and developing on them.
I agree with Gustav on the open minded thing. We religious people are not close minded.

Did you read what I said?

If someone completely shuts out another reasoning THAT is being close-minded. If I say NO god does not exist 100% I'm being close-minded because im shutting out a possibility that MIGHT be possible. I just don't think that it is possible.

If a religious person says god 100% exists and doesn't accept any other theories, that is being pretty close-minded to me.

And just for your information homo sapiens have always had the same intelligence since we evolved into them, the only difference is that we have gotten more information and knowledge.

lol but that's how religion works. If you believe in the God you're worshiping, you must believe 100%. There are no inbetweens.

No, many of them still say that "I might be wrong even though there's a 99% chance that i'm right" at least they leave a possibility of being wrong or they leave themselves open to at least a few scientific facts.

Royal i'm sorry but i really don't have the time to watch all of those videos. I've discussed religion with so many people i've met and the discussion leads no were especially when discussing on a forum because of missunderstandings.

You have many valid points i'm sure, but it's impossible to prove the other wrong for now.

And tbc.. I didn't say that intelligence has not evolved.

I said it has not evolved since we became homo sapiens, I never said that our intelligence has always been the same as humans.

[Royal Freakiness]

well when you have time, try to watch them  

[L_I_S]

No, many of them still say that "I might be wrong even though there's a 99% chance that i'm right" at least they leave a possibility of being wrong or they leave themselves open to at least a few scientific facts.

I highly doubt that part. That's called having little faith, that's just how religion works. You're thinking way too logical about this.

LIS
you talked about the devil tempting ppl
i want to hear your side of the story on why adam and eve were cast out of the heavens. i'm just curious.

lol my opinion? Okay. That story makes no sense to me and I assume a lot of it was metaphorical. 'Do what you're told or suffer the conciquences' is what I think it was trying to convey.
Anyway, I don't believe that the devil/satan exists. I think that the concept was made to make people have hope in themselves that they aren't having bad thoughts and that they are being 'tricked' by satan. Which is a good teaching I think. Imagine if you were a person that could only think about killing other people. Then you think, okay, I can fix these bad thoughts, I just have to reject satan. Wah-la, sane person after praying/confessing etc

I was wondering, does the Quaran have stories that are in the Bible, like the Adam and Eve one you said?

[Royal Freakiness]

yes, but i don't know about the bible's version
if you don't believe in the stories in your books, has your jesus been telling false tales? how can he be God if the bible is supposed to be the word of god?

[L_I_S]

1.Jesus doesn't tell the stories, most of the stories are from others people.
2.I'm not Christian. I was just giving you my interpretation of the story, I'm sure a devoted Christian would have a different point of view.

Does the Quaran have the story about Noah and the flooding? Does it have more stories or direct teachings?

[Royal Freakiness]

i thought you were a christian 
what are you if you're not a christian?
it has stories, but it also has scientific facts which none before that could have known about. it's mostly direct teachings and warnings etc... like while telling the story Allah turns to the reader and teaches him something, not just stories. you should try and read on it. also, watch the videos i posted... 

[Adi]

is anyone reading my posts or watching the videos i posted? i want to hear the answer of atheists on this forum.

Let's clear one thing up... not everyone that questions you in this thread is an atheists.  Matter of fact, most people here are somewhat religious, just not as much as you.   

[L_I_S]

i thought you were a christian 
what are you if you're not a christian?
it has stories, but it also has scientific facts which none before that could have known about. it's mostly direct teachings and warnings etc... like while telling the story Allah turns to the reader and teaches him something, not just stories. you should try and read on it. also, watch the videos i posted... 

Agnostice theist.
Hmm that's cool. I remember hearing that in Islam, instead of turn the other cheek[like the bible teaches], it's eye for an eye. Isn't that somewhat vengeful behaviour? I think this is quite a bad thing to teach kids that you shouldn't forgive and forget. Assuming that what I've heard was true.
I can't watch them, I have very limited bandwidth allowance, and no offence but I'd much rather save it for freestyle videos ;)