Religion Thread

[Ricke]

Lol. Emotions are chemical reactions in the brain, they have nothing to do with God.

And once again you have to prove your God. Just as I would have to prove that invisible troll of yours beneath your house.

Nothing should need to be disproved.

so according to you a friend of you can be made to die to cause a measurable amount of chemical reaction in your brain which makes you mourn?
and this can be tested in a lab? wow good man good! i dont know what to say. emotions cause chemical changes in the body BUT chemical changes dont cause emotions. if a laughing gas made u laugh or a tear gas made you cry by changing you chemical balance doesnt necessarily mean you are happy or sad right?
WOW i m beginning to realise both sides are dumb. those of who believe blindly in science and those who believe blindly in religion.

We're talking about emotions not physical effects. Crying isn't an emotion.
An emotion is love, hate etc.
Falling in love is a chemical reaction in the brain.
Feeling sad or depressed is a chemical reaction.


@ Lis
Religion has very little to do with intelligence, mostly it is how you've been brought up imo. Also, some people have a slightly bigger chance to believe than others.
If children were to be brought up to believe in ghosts, ofcourse they will believe in ghosts.

I'm not religious because
1. I havn't been brought up in a religious family.
2. The bible and the whole genesis have many flaws wich makes it extremely hard for me to believe in. I don't know much about Islam though.


One of many flaws:

According to the biblical story, god created the earth and the universe in 6 days. The 7th day he used to rest and bless everything he had done.

Supposedly god spends the majority of the 6 days creating everything on earth and only spends around half of the fourth day creating the rest of the universe. As we all know, this planet is only an insignificant speck of microscopic dust in the scope of the entire known universe but god has to somehow spend nearly 90% of his creation time on it?

Also, god says "let there be light" on the first day, but according to the Genesis story, he does not create the sun until the fourth day. So where did the light come from in the first place?

Furthermore. Why does something all powerful need to rest? Especially after doing just six days of work after sitting around for an eternity doing nothing.

Only this makes the whole Genesis creation story sound pretty strange. There are also a ton of factual errors.

[Gustav]

Lol. Emotions are chemical reactions in the brain, they have nothing to do with God.

And once again you have to prove your God. Just as I would have to prove that invisible troll of yours beneath your house.

Nothing should need to be disproved.

so according to you a friend of you can be made to die to cause a measurable amount of chemical reaction in your brain which makes you mourn?
and this can be tested in a lab? wow good man good! i dont know what to say. emotions cause chemical changes in the body BUT chemical changes dont cause emotions. if a laughing gas made u laugh or a tear gas made you cry by changing you chemical balance doesnt necessarily mean you are happy or sad right?
WOW i m beginning to realise both sides are dumb. those of who believe blindly in science and those who believe blindly in religion.

We're talking about emotions not physical effects. Crying isn't an emotion.
An emotion is love, hate etc.
Falling in love is a chemical reaction in the brain.
Feeling sad or depressed is a chemical reaction.


@ Lis
Religion has very little to do with intelligence, mostly it is how you've been brought up imo. Also, some people have a slightly bigger chance to believe than others.
If children were to be brought up to believe in ghosts, ofcourse they will believe in ghosts.

I'm not religious because
1. I havn't been brought up in a religious family.
2. The bible and the whole genesis have many flaws wich makes it extremely hard for me to believe in. I don't know much about Islam though.


One of many flaws:

According to the biblical story, god created the earth and the universe in 6 days. The 7th day he used to rest and bless everything he had done.

Supposedly god spends the majority of the 6 days creating everything on earth and only spends around half of the fourth day creating the rest of the universe. As we all know, this planet is only an insignificant speck of microscopic dust in the scope of the entire known universe but god has to somehow spend nearly 90% of his creation time on it?

Also, god says "let there be light" on the first day, but according to the Genesis story, he does not create the sun until the fourth day. So where did the light come from in the first place?

Furthermore. Why does something all powerful need to rest? Especially after doing just six days of work after sitting around for an eternity doing nothing.

Only this makes the whole Genesis creation story sound pretty strange. There are also a ton of factual errors.

My thought Ricke; is that those chemical/eletric reactions that 'creates' emotions are gods code for doing it.. Because many religous people belief is that God created it all and therefor that aswell.,
same it is with DNA.. I think that discovering DNA is that we are closer to Gods code for the human such as everything else DNA is in.

That you dont believe in the bible does not affect that you arent religous, you can be religous without being christan or a muslim, or being a part of any other religon, its only aobut what is inside you.


Also we have NO clue if there is another ''world''/''paradise''/''side of the time''.. therefor I think its not wrong to believe that there really is something.

Bible is a collection of stories, not a something that every christian are supposed to believe in literally that the stories are true. Ive read big parts of it and I think it tells you alot alot alot alot about what the earth and the human is about.


People always tells me: you only believe in god because you want a hope for that there is something after youve died. my answer is always: yes, what else could it be ? isnt it my right to have that hope...

[Ricke]

Yeah, you're right the bible shouldn't be taken literally.

Sure it might be that they are gods code, the same with dna.. but i've never read anywere were claims like that for example has carefully been studied, but sure it's possible.

Theories that argue that god doesn't exist are for example string theory.. while this theory might not be true at all we're finding out more and more about it and seems reasonable. The big bang inflation theory also seems reasonable because it has alot of different theories backing it up from quantom physics.

But this is only what I think because i've been grown up in an atheist family, so it's also a sort of "belief" I suppose.

Not having a religion but believing in god makes the most sense to me, after atheism.
Because it opens up many possibilities and doesn't have anything to do with the holy books wich have way to many contradictions in them for me to take seriously.



you have the right to believe whatever you want.. it's just me as a person, i like finding out several reasonings behind why a sort of paradise would exist to believe in it.

it is your right to have that hope because there is always a possibility that it is true until it has been proven 100%.

[Gustav]

Yea, I understand you Ricke!

But i just took this moment to explain for some atheists that to believe in God is not close-minded or stupid which these some atheist says.

[Ricke]

Yeah you're right, it's deffinetly not stupid to believe in god and would be very arrogant to say so.

But if someone completely says that basically nothing in science is correct and that the earth is 6000 years old i think that that is quite close-minded for shutting out the possibility that it might've been the laws of physics alone that created the big bang and the universe.

But it is possible that God created the big bang etc etc . That's more believable than someone saying that the earth is 6000 years old and evolution isn't true at all.

That's just what I think.

[tbc]

Yeah you're right, it's deffinetly not stupid to believe in god and would be very arrogant to say so.

But if someone completely says that basically nothing in science is correct and that the earth is 6000 years old i think that that is quite close-minded for shutting out the possibility that it might've been the laws of physics alone that created the big bang and the universe.

But it is possible that God created the big bang etc etc . That's more believable than someone saying that the earth is 6000 years old and evolution isn't true at all.

That's just what I think.

I a religious person. And i dont say the world is 6000 years old neither do i believe it. Adam might have come to the earth a in 8000-10000 years back BUT homo sapiens might have been there before him just lacking the same human intelligence we see now. first human civilisations the egyptians, babylon and the greece are not older than 10000 years so i think what i m saying is right as these were the first civilisations to demonstrate proper human ways of using brains and developing on them.
I agree with Gustav on the open minded thing. We religious people are not close minded.

[Royal Freakiness]

@ Lis
Religion has very little to do with intelligence, mostly it is how you've been brought up imo. Also, some people have a slightly bigger chance to believe than others.
If children were to be brought up to believe in ghosts, ofcourse they will believe in ghosts.

I'm not religious because
1. I havn't been brought up in a religious family.
2. The bible and the whole genesis have many flaws wich makes it extremely hard for me to believe in. I don't know much about Islam though.

That's what I see with many atheists, they don't know much about Islam.
why won't people watch the first video I posted???  
There is a lot of logic behind believing in God, not just because we feel there is a God then we should just believe...

Debate: Islam or Atheism? With Hamza Andreas Tzortzis & the president of American Atheists (Dr. Ed Buckner)
Debate: Islam or Atheism? With Hamza Andreas Tzortzis & the president of American Atheists

Hamza Tzortzis was not raised a Muslim, he was previously an atheist.  
Even if it's long just watch it...

[Royal Freakiness]

Dr. Zakir Naik - Does God exist?

[alexfs]

just believe in anything you want and respect others' beliefs and you'll be fine

[L_I_S]

Lol. Emotions are chemical reactions in the brain, they have nothing to do with God.

And once again you have to prove your God. Just as I would have to prove that invisible troll of yours beneath your house.

Nothing should need to be disproved.

so according to you a friend of you can be made to die to cause a measurable amount of chemical reaction in your brain which makes you mourn?
and this can be tested in a lab? wow good man good! i dont know what to say. emotions cause chemical changes in the body BUT chemical changes dont cause emotions. if a laughing gas made u laugh or a tear gas made you cry by changing you chemical balance doesnt necessarily mean you are happy or sad right?
WOW i m beginning to realise both sides are dumb. those of who believe blindly in science and those who believe blindly in religion.

@ Lis
Religion has very little to do with intelligence, mostly it is how you've been brought up imo. Also, some people have a slightly bigger chance to believe than others.
If children were to be brought up to believe in ghosts, ofcourse they will believe in ghosts.

I'm not religious because
1. I havn't been brought up in a religious family.
2. The bible and the whole genesis have many flaws wich makes it extremely hard for me to believe in. I don't know much about Islam though.


One of many flaws:

According to the biblical story, god created the earth and the universe in 6 days. The 7th day he used to rest and bless everything he had done.

Supposedly god spends the majority of the 6 days creating everything on earth and only spends around half of the fourth day creating the rest of the universe. As we all know, this planet is only an insignificant speck of microscopic dust in the scope of the entire known universe but god has to somehow spend nearly 90% of his creation time on it?

Also, god says "let there be light" on the first day, but according to the Genesis story, he does not create the sun until the fourth day. So where did the light come from in the first place?

Furthermore. Why does something all powerful need to rest? Especially after doing just six days of work after sitting around for an eternity doing nothing.

Only this makes the whole Genesis creation story sound pretty strange. There are also a ton of factual errors.

I don't remember saying anything about intelligence and religious people :S
Anyway, I can try to answer the other parts for you, when I was in school I asked many question similiar to those.

God spent all his time in the place that he loved and the rest of the galaxy don't mean much to him or something like that :P
Light was metaphorical for 'good'.
God did not need to rest, this is a teaching from God that people should rest. From what I understand, a lot of religious people  believe that *sigh* 'everything happens for a reason' and that God is planning everything. So he's not resting for eternity, he's creating a life for each person.

rant/
I can't believe no one said anything about how evil is justified in most religions with the whole "the devil made me do it thing"..it's the biggest cop out I've ever heard. I was tempted by the devil. Fuck off, you're a bad person, that's why you did it, not because some cunt in red stockings and a pitch fork 'tempted' you.
/rant

[alexfs]

Lol. Emotions are chemical reactions in the brain, they have nothing to do with God.

And once again you have to prove your God. Just as I would have to prove that invisible troll of yours beneath your house.

Nothing should need to be disproved.

so according to you a friend of you can be made to die to cause a measurable amount of chemical reaction in your brain which makes you mourn?
and this can be tested in a lab? wow good man good! i dont know what to say. emotions cause chemical changes in the body BUT chemical changes dont cause emotions. if a laughing gas made u laugh or a tear gas made you cry by changing you chemical balance doesnt necessarily mean you are happy or sad right?
WOW i m beginning to realise both sides are dumb. those of who believe blindly in science and those who believe blindly in religion.

@ Lis
Religion has very little to do with intelligence, mostly it is how you've been brought up imo. Also, some people have a slightly bigger chance to believe than others.
If children were to be brought up to believe in ghosts, ofcourse they will believe in ghosts.

I'm not religious because
1. I havn't been brought up in a religious family.
2. The bible and the whole genesis have many flaws wich makes it extremely hard for me to believe in. I don't know much about Islam though.


One of many flaws:

According to the biblical story, god created the earth and the universe in 6 days. The 7th day he used to rest and bless everything he had done.

Supposedly god spends the majority of the 6 days creating everything on earth and only spends around half of the fourth day creating the rest of the universe. As we all know, this planet is only an insignificant speck of microscopic dust in the scope of the entire known universe but god has to somehow spend nearly 90% of his creation time on it?

Also, god says "let there be light" on the first day, but according to the Genesis story, he does not create the sun until the fourth day. So where did the light come from in the first place?

Furthermore. Why does something all powerful need to rest? Especially after doing just six days of work after sitting around for an eternity doing nothing.

Only this makes the whole Genesis creation story sound pretty strange. There are also a ton of factual errors.

I don't remember saying anything about intelligence and religious people :S
Anyway, I can try to answer the other parts for you, when I was in school I asked many question similiar to those.

God spent all his time in the place that he loved and the rest of the galaxy don't mean much to him or something like that :P
Light was metaphorical for 'good'.
God did not need to rest, this is a teaching from God that people should rest. From what I understand, a lot of religious people  believe that *sigh* 'everything happens for a reason' and that God is planning everything. So he's not resting for eternity, he's creating a life for each person.

rant/
I can't believe no one said anything about how evil is justified in most religions with the whole "the devil made me do it thing"..it's the biggest cop out I've ever heard. I was tempted by the devil. Fuck off, you're a bad person, that's why you did it, not because some cunt in red stockings and a pitch fork 'tempted' you.
/rant

hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahah that phrase cracked me up so bad
thanks man

[Ricke]

Yeah you're right, it's deffinetly not stupid to believe in god and would be very arrogant to say so.

But if someone completely says that basically nothing in science is correct and that the earth is 6000 years old i think that that is quite close-minded for shutting out the possibility that it might've been the laws of physics alone that created the big bang and the universe.

But it is possible that God created the big bang etc etc . That's more believable than someone saying that the earth is 6000 years old and evolution isn't true at all.

That's just what I think.

I a religious person. And i dont say the world is 6000 years old neither do i believe it. Adam might have come to the earth a in 8000-10000 years back BUT homo sapiens might have been there before him just lacking the same human intelligence we see now. first human civilisations the egyptians, babylon and the greece are not older than 10000 years so i think what i m saying is right as these were the first civilisations to demonstrate proper human ways of using brains and developing on them.
I agree with Gustav on the open minded thing. We religious people are not close minded.

Did you read what I said?

If someone completely shuts out another reasoning THAT is being close-minded. If I say NO god does not exist 100% I'm being close-minded because im shutting out a possibility that MIGHT be possible. I just don't think that it is possible.

If a religious person says god 100% exists and doesn't accept any other theories, that is being pretty close-minded to me.

And just for your information homo sapiens have always had the same intelligence since we evolved into them, the only difference is that we have gotten more information and knowledge.