60 years of opression.

[TheGodEmperor]

He just did by saying Israel shouldn't exist, Adi. And clearly the guy doesn't know history...how can you say that Israel 1948 has nothing to do with what happened in Europe? He has clearly been indoctrinated somehow  :dontknow: And I know what Im talking about...my own father has a PHd in the histpry of Muslim-Jewish relations, and he is a professor at U of T. And melbourne, I meant Jihad, not Jihan, just a typo. Sayyid Qutb and Abd Al Salam Farag were the people who turned the idea of Jihad into  doctrine of violence...thereby marking the beginning of militant Islam.

[sputnik]

by the way...somone lock this...or delete it.

Although these types of threads are against the rules of some forums, they are not on ours.

As long as the guys don't cross the line, this thread will stay open. So far they have been making fair arguements...

the religion topic was closed for the same reason and involving the same arguements, and it was less heated than between melbourne n tf10... :down: twas a gd thread.

[TheGodEmperor]

care to contribute, sputnik? Im tired of arguing with this guy, he doesn't prove his statements, he just comes back with the same thing each time because he does not know enough to respond properly.

[sputnik]

yeh i dont know enough to contribute really. from what i know both countries have made awful decisions, generally im bias towards palestine but thats only because of israeli connotations with america. i dont really know enough to comment.

[TheGodEmperor]

well at least you're admitting it  :cheers: ahem, melbourne 

[cigar omar]

He just did by saying Israel shouldn't exist, Adi. And clearly the guy doesn't know history...how can you say that Israel 1948 has nothing to do with what happened in Europe? He has clearly been indoctrinated somehow  :dontknow: And I know what Im talking about...my own father has a PHd in the histpry of Muslim-Jewish relations, and he is a professor at U of T. And melbourne, I meant Jihad, not Jihan, just a typo. Sayyid Qutb and Abd Al Salam Farag were the people who turned the idea of Jihad into  doctrine of violence...thereby marking the beginning of militant Islam.

First of I said what happened to Jews in Europe in 48 has nothing to do with what Israel is doing today. I'm sick of hearing the Holocaust and what happened in Europe as an excuse for everything.

So what if duke is a professor? If I didn't know anything about he situation I wouldn't have started a discussion about it.

And another thing Jihad is what it being explained in the Quran and the Hadiths of the Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) and practiced by him and his companions. These names your dropping hold no weight, ther opinions don't matter to any true Muslim everything is written and clear. No one changes or innovates Islam. Shows how much you really know.

If you don't like what you read in this thread don't open it. Its just that easy.

[TheGodEmperor]

He just did by saying Israel shouldn't exist, Adi. And clearly the guy doesn't know history...how can you say that Israel 1948 has nothing to do with what happened in Europe? He has clearly been indoctrinated somehow  :dontknow: And I know what Im talking about...my own father has a PHd in the histpry of Muslim-Jewish relations, and he is a professor at U of T. And melbourne, I meant Jihad, not Jihan, just a typo. Sayyid Qutb and Abd Al Salam Farag were the people who turned the idea of Jihad into  doctrine of violence...thereby marking the beginning of militant Islam.

First of I said what happened to Jews in Europe in 48 has nothing to do with what Israel is doing today. I'm sick of hearing the Holocaust and what happened in Europe as an excuse for everything.

So what if duke is a professor? If I didn't know anything about he situation I wouldn't have started a discussion about it.

And another thing Jihad is what it being explained in the Quran and the Hadiths of the Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) and practiced by him and his companions. These names your dropping hold no weight, ther opinions don't matter to any true Muslim everything is written and clear. No one changes or innovates Islam. Shows how much you really know.

If you don't like what you read in this thread don't open it. Its just that easy.

Qutb and Farag invented militant Islam. Shows how much you know. The definition of Jihad is not 'holy war.' It is 'searching.' So yes Muhammed taught Jihad, yet only a small aspect of it was violent. And are you shitting me? Islam changes, there have been many Quranic commentators, some trying to reconcile the Quran with the thought of Aristotle (ie Ibn Rushd). Some, on the other jand, took the stance of militancy. Once again, melbourne...pathetic ignorance.

[cigar omar]

He just did by saying Israel shouldn't exist, Adi. And clearly the guy doesn't know history...how can you say that Israel 1948 has nothing to do with what happened in Europe? He has clearly been indoctrinated somehow  :dontknow: And I know what Im talking about...my own father has a PHd in the histpry of Muslim-Jewish relations, and he is a professor at U of T. And melbourne, I meant Jihad, not Jihan, just a typo. Sayyid Qutb and Abd Al Salam Farag were the people who turned the idea of Jihad into  doctrine of violence...thereby marking the beginning of militant Islam.

First of I said what happened to Jews in Europe in 48 has nothing to do with what Israel is doing today. I'm sick of hearing the Holocaust and what happened in Europe as an excuse for everything.

So what if duke is a professor? If I didn't know anything about he situation I wouldn't have started a discussion about it.

And another thing Jihad is what it being explained in the Quran and the Hadiths of the Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) and practiced by him and his companions. These names your dropping hold no weight, ther opinions don't matter to any true Muslim everything is written and clear. No one changes or innovates Islam. Shows how much you really know.

If you don't like what you read in this thread don't open it. Its just that easy.

Qutb and Farag invented militant Islam. Shows how much you know. The definition of Jihad is not 'holy war.' It is 'searching.' So yes Muhammed taught Jihad, yet only a small aspect of it was violent. And are you shitting me? Islam changes, there have been many Quranic commentators, some trying to reconcile the Quran with the thought of Aristotle (ie Ibn Rushd). Some, on the other jand, took the stance of militancy. Once again, melbourne...pathetic ignorance.

Sorry I've never heard of a religion called militant Islam. Do you mean Islam. Words like 'militant or fundamentalist' have been created by the media to make Islam look bad. And it seems as if its working because little kids with tiny brains like yourself believe that it exists. I'm a Muslim are you teaching me about Islam now? don't tell me the Quran has changed because its the same now as it was 1400 years ago.

If anyone is pathetic or ignorant its the stupid son of a bitch thats telling you this crap your posting. Way to drift off the Israel topic because you where getting slaughtered. 

[Tito]

He just did by saying Israel shouldn't exist, Adi. And clearly the guy doesn't know history...how can you say that Israel 1948 has nothing to do with what happened in Europe? He has clearly been indoctrinated somehow  :dontknow: And I know what Im talking about...my own father has a PHd in the histpry of Muslim-Jewish relations, and he is a professor at U of T. And melbourne, I meant Jihad, not Jihan, just a typo. Sayyid Qutb and Abd Al Salam Farag were the people who turned the idea of Jihad into  doctrine of violence...thereby marking the beginning of militant Islam.

First of I said what happened to Jews in Europe in 48 has nothing to do with what Israel is doing today. I'm sick of hearing the Holocaust and what happened in Europe as an excuse for everything.

So what if duke is a professor? If I didn't know anything about he situation I wouldn't have started a discussion about it.

And another thing Jihad is what it being explained in the Quran and the Hadiths of the Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) and practiced by him and his companions. These names your dropping hold no weight, ther opinions don't matter to any true Muslim everything is written and clear. No one changes or innovates Islam. Shows how much you really know.

If you don't like what you read in this thread don't open it. Its just that easy.

Qutb and Farag invented militant Islam. Shows how much you know. The definition of Jihad is not 'holy war.' It is 'searching.' So yes Muhammed taught Jihad, yet only a small aspect of it was violent. And are you shitting me? Islam changes, there have been many Quranic commentators, some trying to reconcile the Quran with the thought of Aristotle (ie Ibn Rushd). Some, on the other jand, took the stance of militancy. Once again, melbourne...pathetic ignorance.

Islam hasn't changed one bit its them media that goes around feeding viewers this bullshit and showing only half the story
and every religion has one or too people that get confused people with washed up views and in Islam thats like 1% and mainly are converts or children's of converts
but if you go and learn the real Islam for your-self you'd know that the media only makes it look bad and only shows the ones that misunderstood the truth

[TheGodEmperor]

I know its 1%, tito, but that 1% is doing a lot of damage  :down:

[cigar omar]

What damage?  :dontknow:

[TheGodEmperor]

to Israel...to the twin towers, to soldiers straightening out Afghanistan (not Iraq...there should never have been anyone but Iraqis in Iraq)