60 years of opression.

[cigar omar]

Today is supposed to be the 60th anniversary for Israelis. But it marks 60 years of oppression, occupation and massacre of innocence for the Palestinian people. Most of them have been expelled form their homes and are denied basic freedoms. People are living behind prison styled walls in their own land. Makes me sick man. What are your views on this issue?

[emogirl]

If it wasn't for Danny... 

[a;sdlfkjas;df]

it's not as if the zionist movement was welcomed with open arms.

the whole thing was pretty fucked up from the start.  that's probably the most appropriate, but absolute worst, region for a jewish state

[Adi]

The Israelis believe one thing and the Palestinians believe something completely different. I've talked to both and each one of them had a completely different response when it comes to who should own that "Holy" land. It's all a mess. The Israelis are lucky though... if they didn't have the support of the US, they'd be long gone.

[TheGodEmperor]

Today is supposed to be the 60th anniversary for Israelis. But it marks 60 years of oppression, occupation and massacre of innocence for the Palestinian people. Most of them have been expelled form their homes and are denied basic freedoms. People are living behind prison styled walls in their own land. Makes me sick man. What are your views on this issue?

first of all...it was 3 days ago. And second of all...what opression? Israel has included palestinians in their society; in 1995, Yitzhak Rabin made peace with Arafat. After he died, Arafta promptly broke that peace. A few years later, Ehud Barak offered Arafat all of the Gaza strip and much of the west bank. Arafat refused. Yeah I'll admit Israel has made some bad choices, and Sharon didn't do the best job ever....but there is no opression going on here. And what about the Palestinian suicide bombers whoblow themselves up to kill innocent Israeli women and children? Are they blameless? Yes Israel has done some not so good things, and perhaps carried their retaliation overboard at times, but the other side are equally at fault. Remember that Israel is trying to root out extremists who send suicide bombers and will not rest until Judaism is blotted from the face of the earth. These extremists use common people as a shield, operating undercover in towns and cities so that they cannot be eliminated in a bomb attack. This means that some civilian casualties are unevitable on both sides. The only difference is that the Israelis do not target civilians, whereas Hezbollah (Lebanon) and Hamas do.

[TheGodEmperor]

by the way...somone lock this...or delete it.

[manutd.]

Reasoning?  :dontknow:

[TheGodEmperor]

it may offend some people and the things that melbourne is saying are pure propaganda...he might as well proclaim an 'Israel Apartheid Week.'

I think it unwise to let a topic like this live, especially because of the title. It doesn't help that melbourne is ignorant of the actual situation and is just spewing indoctrinated propaganda that he probably picked up from someone who is hardly an expert on the issue.

[cigar omar]

Today is supposed to be the 60th anniversary for Israelis. But it marks 60 years of oppression, occupation and massacre of innocence for the Palestinian people. Most of them have been expelled form their homes and are denied basic freedoms. People are living behind prison styled walls in their own land. Makes me sick man. What are your views on this issue?

first of all...it was 3 days ago. And second of all...what opression? Israel has included palestinians in their society; in 1995, Yitzhak Rabin made peace with Arafat. After he died, Arafta promptly broke that peace. A few years later, Ehud Barak offered Arafat all of the Gaza strip and much of the west bank. Arafat refused. Yeah I'll admit Israel has made some bad choices, and Sharon didn't do the best job ever....but there is no opression going on here. And what about the Palestinian suicide bombers whoblow themselves up to kill innocent Israeli women and children? Are they blameless? Yes Israel has done some not so good things, and perhaps carried their retaliation overboard at times, but the other side are equally at fault. Remember that Israel is trying to root out extremists who send suicide bombers and will not rest until Judaism is blotted from the face of the earth. These extremists use common people as a shield, operating undercover in towns and cities so that they cannot be eliminated in a bomb attack. This means that some civilian casualties are unevitable on both sides. The only difference is that the Israelis do not target civilians, whereas Hezbollah (Lebanon) and Hamas do.

I don't care if it was a week ago or not thats not the issue. First of what is offering the a little bit of The Gaza strip or West Bank going to do for the Palestinians people? You don't just come through and occupy someone else's land because you believe it belonged to you some 2000 years ago. And offer them a little bit of land with no one would except such an offer. They want all of them to go back to Eastern Europe.

Israel has made some bad choices? Killing, persecuting and tormenting innocent civilians is a few bad choices? :saywhat: What you have to understand is that its not a war. Its a resistance against an occupation. A people with no Army or even a functional police force can't defend them selves against one of the most advanced armies in the world right now.

And when confronted its always the same excuse we have been persecuted for centuries. That doesn't give anyone a right to go and do what ever you feel like.

This means that some civilian casualties are unevitable on both sides.

Are you trying to compare civilian casualties on both sides?  :saywhat:

by the way...somone lock this...or delete it.

I knew someone would come along and try to avoid this topic. You don't like it fuck off. But its not going to be locked.

[TheGodEmperor]

Today is supposed to be the 60th anniversary for Israelis. But it marks 60 years of oppression, occupation and massacre of innocence for the Palestinian people. Most of them have been expelled form their homes and are denied basic freedoms. People are living behind prison styled walls in their own land. Makes me sick man. What are your views on this issue?

first of all...it was 3 days ago. And second of all...what opression? Israel has included palestinians in their society; in 1995, Yitzhak Rabin made peace with Arafat. After he died, Arafta promptly broke that peace. A few years later, Ehud Barak offered Arafat all of the Gaza strip and much of the west bank. Arafat refused. Yeah I'll admit Israel has made some bad choices, and Sharon didn't do the best job ever....but there is no opression going on here. And what about the Palestinian suicide bombers whoblow themselves up to kill innocent Israeli women and children? Are they blameless? Yes Israel has done some not so good things, and perhaps carried their retaliation overboard at times, but the other side are equally at fault. Remember that Israel is trying to root out extremists who send suicide bombers and will not rest until Judaism is blotted from the face of the earth. These extremists use common people as a shield, operating undercover in towns and cities so that they cannot be eliminated in a bomb attack. This means that some civilian casualties are unevitable on both sides. The only difference is that the Israelis do not target civilians, whereas Hezbollah (Lebanon) and Hamas do.

I don't care if it was a week ago or not thats not the issue. First of what is offering the a little bit of The Gaza strip or West Bank going to do for the Palestinians people? You don't just come through and occupy someone else's land because you believe it belonged to you some 2000 years ago. And offer them a little bit of land with no one would except such an offer. They want all of them to go back to Eastern Europe.

Israel has made some bad choices? Killing, persecuting and tormenting innocent civilians is a few bad choices? :saywhat: What you have to understand is that its not a war. Its a resistance against an occupation. A people with no Army or even a functional police force can't defend them selves against one of the most advanced armies in the world right now.

And when confronted its always the same excuse we have been persecuted for centuries. That doesn't give anyone a right to go and do what ever you feel like.

This means that some civilian casualties are unevitable on both sides.

Are you trying to compare civilian casualties on both sides?  :saywhat:

by the way...somone lock this...or delete it.

I knew someone would come along and try to avoid this topic. You don't like it fuck off. But its not going to be locked.

melbourne once again you prove yourself to be an ingnorant blowhard. The Jews literally had nowhere to go in 1948. They were not welcome in Europe or North America, and there old homes had been taken away by civilians as a third of their populations was being eliminated by the nazis. Also, do you realize how much fucking land Barak was willing to give up? Thats nearly half of Israel! How the hell would that not help the palestinian people. And no offence, but these people have been living in refugee camps for 60 years because countries like Syria or Jordan wont let them in. Once again Israel made huge concessions, but they were rejected. Now Israel has given up the Gaza strip, and look whats happening there! Hamas is shooting missiles into Israel from the land that Israel just gave up! And melbourne, the intentions matter. Israelis do not intend to kill innocent palestinians, but it happens accidentally while they are trying to root out the people who have been killing their women and children INTENTIONALLY. Melbourne have you ever even met and Israeli? Because you are lumping them together in one category. I, who have met many, can say that many are opposed to what is happening in Palestine. I am distintinguishing between people in palestine; only a minority are truly guilty. And why are you opposing the existence of a Jewish state? There is still a ridiculous amount of anti-semitism in the world (as evidenced by your posting) and there is no reason why a second genocide could not occur, especially with people like Ahmadinejad on the loose. In 1948, the situation was even worse, and Jews were getting killed in Eastern Europe trying to reclaim their old homes. This war is not a war of resistance...Israel would galdly give up a great deal more land for peace, but for some Palestinians its not about land anymore. Its about wiping the Jews and Israel off the face of the earth. I blame Sayyid Qutb and Abd al Salam Farag for all of this, with their new and extremist views on Jihan in the last century  :down: Yeah so Melbourne stop spewing shit, and just go die in a hole.

[cigar omar]

The Jews literally had nowhere to go in 1948. They were not welcome in Europe or North America, and there old homes had been taken away by civilians as a third of their populations was being eliminated by the nazis.

And this is the Palestinians fault how?  :dontknow: Just because Europeans ran them out of their homes and didn't want them back. Doesn't mean they can move to the Middle East and do the same thing. Stop always referring back to what happened in Europe thats no excuse.

Also, do you realize how much fucking land Barak was willing to give up? Thats nearly half of Israel!

Almost half? they want all their land back to hell with half. What kind of reasoning is that? You don't steal something from someone than give them almost half of it back and expect them to be satisfied forever.

but these people have been living in refugee camps for 60 years because countries like Syria or Jordan wont let them in.

No they have been living in refugee cams for 60 years because of Israel. Do you just expect them to go move in with Syria and Jordan and leave their own land? Than you accuse me of ignorance. Oh please.

Now Israel has given up the Gaza strip, and look whats happening there! Hamas is shooting missiles into Israel from the land that Israel just gave up!

Don't be so thick its Palestinian land. What do you expect Hamas to do? sit back and relax while their land is being occupied. I mean for fuck sake Palestinians are being ran out of their homes to make way for Ethiopian and East European Jews to settle in. Who are you kidding 97% of those missiles can't even reach Israel they are home made.

Israelis do not intend to kill innocent palestinians, but it happens accidentally while they are trying to root out the people who have been killing their women and children INTENTIONALLY.

Yeah I'm sure these people they are looking for are hiding in Mosques, crowded markets and family homes. Camon man accidents don't happen every time. If your targeting a small group of people you don't go drop bombs over refugee camps they have innocent women and children in it.

Because you are lumping them together in one category. I, who have met many, can say that many are opposed to what is happening in Palestine. I am distintinguishing between people in palestine; only a minority are truly guilty. And why are you opposing the existence of a Jewish state?

How could you live on someone else's land and oppose the occupation. If you oppose it than go away. Guilty of what? defending themselves and fighting for their land?

Yes I'm opposed to a Jewish state which is built upon the death, destruction and displacement of other human beings. Go ahead and accuse me of antisemitism because I believe in justice. Israel is the biggest violator of human rights in the world and everyone turns a blind eye.

This war is not a war of resistance...Israel would galdly give up a great deal more land for peace

Israel wants peace thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Why would they give up land they are happy where they are the Palestinians don't offer much resistance anyway its one way traffic. If anything its the other way around Israel is the one bent upon getting rid of all the Palestinians. You just hinted it before they should move to Syria and Jordan.
 

In 1948, the situation was even worse, and Jews were getting killed in Eastern Europe trying to reclaim their old homes.

Again with the same typical excuses 1948 this, 1948 that. Its got nothing to do with the current situation let 1948 go.

I blame Sayyid Qutb and Abd al Salam Farag for all of this, with their new and extremist views on Jihan in the last century

Jihan what is that? and who are those people? Stay on what relevant.

Yeah so Melbourne stop spewing shit, and just go die in a hole.

Honestly stop resorting to insults and childish comments. Your trying to defend tyrants and its not easy. The truth is hurting you I can tell.

[Adi]

by the way...somone lock this...or delete it.

Although these types of threads are against the rules of some forums, they are not on ours.

As long as the guys don't cross the line, this thread will stay open. So far they have been making fair arguements...