RBSS organization 2012

[Max]

Your logic, someone disagrees with you, so they must be close minded. Good one.

nope he brought good arguments, you didnt. you have to understand taht freestyle doesnt have anything todo with football. all my friends play football and literally nobody of them understands the slightest thing about freestyle.

[KevinVO]

nope he brought good arguments, you didnt. you have to understand taht freestyle doesnt have anything todo with football. all my friends play football and literally nobody of them understands the slightest thing about freestyle.

Yes, but they need famous people like Cannavaro and Inzaghi for marketing purposes. Maybe in a few years when there's a real fan base around freestyle football, things can be done differently. When the organisers are convinced they will easily sell all tickets and get media attention even without any pro football players involved, I guess/hope they will continue with freestyle oriented people only.

It's just too early to condemn Red Bull for their choise. The reason why RBSS exist in the first place is still mere business..

[redsforlife]

Yes, his argument based on using individuals was such a better argument Max. I don't know Cannavaro or Roxrite, and it's more than possible that in this individual case Roxrite would know more, but I strongly doubt either of them know that much. If you think the average break dancer knows more about freestyle than the average footballer, you are living in a fantasy land. Most break dancers don't even know how to juggle, so they obviously wouldn't know anything. Footballers at least know some difficulty in juggling a ball, but that's where their knowledge ends. You still ignore the fact that I said both of them should be removed for either a 3 freestyler panel or replaced by 2 other freestylers. I don't think anyone will disagree there are freestylers that would be a better judge than Roxrite or Cannavaro. Max, you are actually quite close minded. You fail to look at anything from outside the box, and you couldn't care less of outsiders opinions. Without outside interest, any major freestyle event fails. That is a fact.

p.s. work on your spelling.

KevinVO- Thanks for thinking logically. Max even said it. His friends play football, but they have no clue about freestyle. This means his friends are the type of people that might be drawn in by people like Cannavaro and Inzaghi being at the event. Once they are at the event, they might fall in love with freestyle for what it is. The fact we have to face is it will be a very long time before freestyle can support events without interest from other communities. The football community is the first community that can be tempted into coming to the event, and we need to use that to our advantage.

The positives of RBSS this year far outweigh the negatives. We need to look at it this way. This event was done extremely professionally, and it is the type of even that needs to happen to turn more people to the sport. The judging has already improved some, because they are at least getting 3 freestylers whether you like the choice of freestylers or not. The ball sucks, but until Monta quits sponsoring it or Monta designs a better ball that won't change. The overall impact of RBSS this year was extremely positive for the sport.

[Max]

Yes, but they need famous people like Cannavaro and Inzaghi for marketing purposes. Maybe in a few years when there's a real fan base around freestyle football, things can be done differently. When the organisers are convinced they will easily sell all tickets and get media attention even without any pro football players involved, I guess/hope they will continue with freestyle oriented people only.

It's just too early to condemn Red Bull for their choise. The reason why RBSS exist in the first place is still mere business..

wow thank you for stating the obvious. everybody fucking knows the reasons why rbss  is the way it is.

Jason, i agree with you that of course both of them have to be kicked out of the jury. from you last post i thought you meant that footballers are better judges than breakdancers and i jsut wanted to say that a footballer doesnt know anything about freestyle just like a breakdancer. sorry for misunderstanding your previous post. but from other posts is in this forum i remember that you relate freestyle and football quite often with each other which is wrong imo.

I wouldnt say that i am close minded i actually think alot outside the box but i also draw a line between whats good and whats bad which many didnt really do this year after rbss because they only saw that kickass event ( which i also really enjoyed ) and also Dan going very far but if you analyze this event closely you can see that there have been ALOT of mistakes in the final and even MORE mistakes in each countries qualifier. Because of this, for me the negatives still outweigh the positives, but it was a big improvement from the last two rbss competitions.

Sorry for my spelling but you should be a bit tolerant to people who are using smartphones to post here, its not to easy to write with these without making some mistakes.

[redsforlife]

Thanks for a more thoughtful response. I do associate football with freestyle. It is football freestyle, and I think denying the history and relationship between the  two is silly. We use a football, no use of hands(this is bent quite often in freestyle, but usually not much hand use), and the basis of freestyle is football juggling. Now, it is obvious that the relationship begins and ends there for the most part. Freestyle has advanced beyond that. Now, it can still be very related to football just like it can be related to break dancing in individuals. It's freestyle, so you can do it how ever you want. I really like football and freestyle both, so it's only natural for me to relate the two in my freestyle. In your freestyle, it may be different.

Judging is always going to be questionable. I disagreed with  many decisions from every judge in this competition. I probably agreed with Palle's judging of the best trick in most cases, but this often differed from my overall view of who should win. This is the most useless criteria, because I'm pretty sure Palle even thought the overall winner was different than his vote many times. My best example would be the Andrew Henderson vs Gunther battle. I agree that Gunther did the best trick, so Palle voted correctly. Now, I think Andrew Henderson was overall the best freestyler in the battle. I don't know if Palle agrees with this, but it is very possible that he would have voted differently if he was allowed to judge overall.

I consider the qualifiers to be different events to the world finals. The qualifiers are run by the national Red Bull representatives, so all the qualifiers were done differently. The national qualifiers also didn't receive near the media attention as the world finals, so their impact negative or positive wasn't that big. We didn't have one in the US this year, but the judging selections here were always ridiculous. We had professional hockey players and bboys as judges.

The world finals looked an extremely professional event, and I still think more positive came from it than negative.

[pallur]

I also think they should get rid of the criteria and just vote for whoever they think is the best.

Ouhh yes. I think all freestyle competitions should het rid of those criterias. I remember that in 2010 Dan wrote somewhere that he actually had to give he's vote to a weaker guy in RBSS 2010, because of the criteria.

pallur

[Sanderson]

To be fair no one could judge on control better than Mr Woo. Except maybe Kang Sung Min.

[Yen]

Ball was still shit, I hope they change it next year.

Is it similar feel to the monta ball back in 2010 RBSS?

[redsforlife]

To be fair no one could judge on control better than Mr Woo. Except maybe Kang Sung Min.

100% agree with you. Maybe someone like John Farnworth as well, but Mr. Woo is the control king.

Overall though, I've always thought the judging criteria is ridiculous. It really needs to be done away with. Just let the judges pick whom they like period. End of story.

[L_I_S]

How does Mr.Woo judge how you control an aeatw?

[Yen]

Control would be like counting how many drops?
I do have a question, what would flow be under though? So carrying on combos, trick to trick, minimizing juggles in between.  Would that be part of control also? Wouldn't really fit under best trick as it doesn't have to be hardcore combos to be trick to trick, could be transitions.

[redsforlife]

If you must have categories, flow would be a part of control. Flowing from one trick to another needs great control. You must be in complete control to flow from trick to trick without obvious stoppages.

Now, this is another reason why I don't think there should be categories. If everyone just judges overall, it will be considered by every judge. The judges should just pick the freestyler they think is the best.