Style vs Hardcore

[redsforlife]

Onas- So I'm getting that your point is that lowers are more of a sport, because it requires more athleticism. This makes other areas not a sport, because it takes less athleticism. Am I right?

You do realize that many circus performers are extremely atheletic, more so than lowers. By this logic, those circus arts would be more sport than lowers. I don't get the comparison of chess and uppers and soles. I wouldn't consider chess a sport either. Uppers, sits, and grounds would still be considered athletics and not all uppers and sits are less athletic than lowers. This is what I don't get about your argument. I argue that all styles should be considered the same, but you insist on lowers being thought of as being better.

Ethan- You criticize me and Adi, than you more or less agree that people should do what they want. I said that I appreciate all aspects of freestyle hardcore, creative, etc. The whole point of this thread was that it's become the only type of freestyle you typically see. It would be nice to see some different things. There is nothing wrong with wanting that.

This is what I don't get about my opposition in this argument. I ended up defending the rest of freestyle being just as much of a sport as lowers, and I'm the guy that doesn't understand anything. I know I am trying to find equal ground with you  guys, but too many of you want your area to be  thought of as superior.

[Adi]

Ethan- You criticize me and Adi, than you more or less agree that people should do what they want. I said that I appreciate all aspects of freestyle hardcore, creative, etc. The whole point of this thread was that it's become the only type of freestyle you typically see. It would be nice to see some different things. There is nothing wrong with wanting that.

This is what I don't get about my opposition in this argument. I ended up defending the rest of freestyle being just as much of a sport as lowers, and I'm the guy that doesn't understand anything. I know I am trying to find equal ground with you  guys, but too many of you want your area to be  thought of as superior.

Agreed.  Ethan, you come out with an insult, but then your argument tends to fall in line with what we were saying.  Nothing wrong with hardcore, we just want some balance.  It seems 95% of freestyle is going into mediocre hardcore, which is getting boring.  Hardcore is great, don't get me wrong, but it's gotta be done right.  Seeing that the vast majority of freestyle videos nowadays are sloppy hardcore vids is not all that interesting or appealing.

[Onas]

Onas- So I'm getting that your point is that lowers are more of a sport, because it requires more athleticism. This makes other areas not a sport, because it takes less athleticism. Am I right?

I argue that all styles should be considered the same, but you insist on lowers being thought of as being better.

I never said something like that if I remember correctly. I just want to explain you why so many people chose lowers over other parts of FS. But yeah, I dont really like other parts at all (maybe apart from some Bboy stuff) so I like to call them "clown shit", hope you dont mind .)

[redsforlife]

So you are hypocritical and ignorant? Congratulations   

There are more than enough post of you saying that including your last one. Also, you like bboy part of freestyle, but don't respect the other areas. That's one part of freestyle I fucking hate. Now, I usually just ignore it, but I really cannot see how you consider uppers sits, and grounds to be clown shit and bboy moves aren't? That makes no sense at all.

[Onas]

So you are hypocritical and ignorant? Congratulations   

There are more than enough post of you saying that including your last one. Also, you like bboy part of freestyle, but don't respect the other areas. That's one part of freestyle I fucking hate. Now, I usually just ignore it, but I really cannot see how you consider uppers sits, and grounds to be clown shit and bboy moves aren't? That makes no sense at all.

Yeah, whats so bad about it? 

[Onas]

I like bboy/tricking stuff itself, so I also like it when its combined with FFS ffs.

Also, you dont usually see this kind of freestyle in circus either.

EDIT:
In the end, its only about personal preferences, I dont know what got you to love allround freestyle so much, but I find much more advantages in training lowers and you arent going to change my mind.

Some of the advantages of lowers for me
+ lowers are quite good cardio, therefore as I once used to be quite fat, Im in a good shape now
+ you dont have to be sitting on some ground full of shit or rolling the ball which previously happened to fall into some dog poo
+ stylish & clean lowers look much cooler than anything else (imo)
+ clowns dont do that  

Some of the advantages of sitdowns & uppers

[redsforlife]

Props for admitting to being hypocritical and ignorant.

Actually, you do see bboy stuff in the circus quite often. It's popular among people, and it's the type of act that many circus's can find.

Now, I really have nothing against circus arts. It's more the term, "clown shit" that I dislike. Many circus performers are extremely talented and extremely athletic. The fact is that certain circus arts, like acrobatics, have their own sports outside of the circus acts.

Really though, what separates freestyle from circus arts is the football aspect. Lowers would be a part of that, but it should never be limited to just that. The fact of the matter is lowers only as a sport will never flourish outside the community. It will only be popular at freestyle events and online. The entire body of freestyle could be popular at any event and within any community online.

[Onas]

To be honest, I dont have a clue how circuses look like nowadays, I havent been there since I was 5 I think

[redsforlife]

Last time I noticed, clowns don't perform anything similar to freestyle, jugglers do. Well, I respect your opinion to prefer one style, but I never tried to change that.

As far as your advantage for lowers goes.
Cardio: Well, pretty much any freestyle is good cardio. Only sitting isn't quite as good, but it's great core exercise. Also, the act of transitioning from sitting to standing is probably the most intense workout you can get in freestyle. It requires the most energy.

Dog poo: Well, I am pretty sure there are places you could train this without it. Poor joke by the way.

Looks better: That's your opinion, and I respect that. I never tried to change that.

Now for why I prefer all around

1. I started as a footballer, and I like being able to control the ball with all surfaces of my body. The feet standing is the most simple form which I had already mastered before beginning freestyle. I learned basic control with all body surfaces and sitting before I progressed to learning tricks.

2. Looks better: I think it looks better to do a bit of everything. I prefer seeing things that surprise me, and all around opens far more avenues.

3. Like I said, all freestyle is good exercise. There are actually uppers tricks like back or chest juggles that are more intense workouts than lowers, because they use larger muscle groups.


Any circus juggler that has done anything that can be compared to any type of freestyle has also done basic lowers as well. The difference is football freestylers specialize in only the freestyle tricks, so we master more advanced tricks in all areas. Obviously, lowers is the most popular area. It's more natural to juggle with your feet standing, and most people's first tricks for atw or cross. From there, it's only natural to improve this area and enjoy it the most.

[Andrew]

Style = get hot chicks and be mr cool
Hardcore = wearing glasses and be a nerd....then you become a genius millionaire and get hot chicks

Result : Freestyle the way you want because you will get hot chicks!

 

[Emil Nissen]

if fs is a way of getting hot chicks....then i'll keep going lol 

[Onas]

I think this thread is leading to nowhere, lol, you are not going to change my mind and I dont even want to change yours.
Just let people enjoy what they want.