Style vs Hardcore

[Onas]

Your point completely missed my point entirely

Then you have to write it down better next time, because your point seems to be really deep 

Yes, you can push limits everywhere, but my point was that lowers look much more sport-related, while uppers consists mainly of balancing the ball on your upper body.

If anything, the whole obsession with pushing the limits in lowers alone is more clown shit to me than being creative.

Well, if you think so, you can also call pushing the limits in BMX, Skateboard or breakdance clown shit as well. 

I agree more or less with the rest of the comment though.

[jabarinho]

So,jabarinho,what you are indicating indirectly is that if someone just wants to do skmatw-so he tries skmatw 100 times or even more,until he gets it.Thats the approach you would follow,right?And even after he gets it,he would keep trying it again and again till he has "perfected" it?

no not at all, because it will look very ugly if the guy is not ready for the trick. I admit that the guy who is attempting skmatw is too focused on hardcore. But if the tricks are being done in a logical progression then hardcore is the best, even if the style is not perfectly smooth like a Michryc combo.

@redsforlife: yeh i realize there are 2 different issues here. i was just explaining why most would prefer an Ethan vid over a Michryc vid. I think it's ok to sacrifice a style a little when doing hardcore. But it depends on each person's taste to determine how much style can be sacrificed.

[jabarinho]

by the way, hardcore is winning in the poll Go hardcore!

[Adi]

Thanks for breaking it down for me, Jason. Didn't feel like posting a response anyhow.

Style was leading in the poll before. I think the poll doesn't justify the discussions since we are going in depth and discussing two sides of the meaning behind "style."

Good posts so far.

[redsforlife]

Nothing in freestyle can be considered more sport than any other type. The whole idea of a sport is competition. There is no true objective in freestyle, so no style can be more competitive than another. It's all a matter of judgement and opinion.

Pushing the limits has nothing to do with it being clown shit. I don't need to write my post better. You need to read them better. I also said that no style should be considered clown shit in response to you considering more creative styles that. It's not the tricks of hardcore that make it that way. It's how many of the freestyle community that believe it is better than other styles behave. This is why I think it's closer to that than anything else.

[redsforlife]

If you want to look like you're spazzing out when you're freestyling, then just pick up a hacky sack and do that.  Now those clowns look like nerds and tools.  Freestyle is heading more and more into that direction.  Stop it before it's too late.

Unfortunately, I think there are parts of the community pretty much already there.  You actually see many freestylers that appreciate footbag more than football.

[Onas]

Im not sure about others, but to me, its quite clear that I will consider lowers more sport than uppers/sole juggling, just like I consider running more sport than chess (I dont really understand why are chess considered as sport though    )

Also, you dont see people from circus doing air combos, but its quite common they do some sole juggles (not just with a ball, but also with other objects) and then there are also people like Trixie, coming from circus and doing pretty much the same thing what we nowadays call "uppers".

[Ethan]

lol redsforlife and Adi you have literally zero clue what you are talking about when it comes to hardcore lowers :P

Just accept that freestyle is splitting off in different directions and let people train how they want to train. There will be people like myself who's primary goal is to push the limits of what is physically possible with my legs and there will be people who's primary goal is to reach their highest possible level whilst maintaining a perfect style (e.g. Rocco) and neither of us are right or wrong...it's just our personal goals and it dictates how we do our training.

On the other hand others are trying to bring fresh ideas in, that's cool too...Gautier etc

This is a pointless topic, freestyle won't flourish as a sport if it's held back by people like you who want to restrict it to 'how it used to be'

[Emil Nissen]

  lol but think its a good thread

[Andrew]

just do tricks with a ball ....init.

[vittoleon]

Hardcore without style is meh. Style without some hardcore tricks gets boring fast. Lucky there is absolutly no reason to choose just one.

[dunnowhois]

I wanna join, but have nothing to say