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Re: Szymo or Andrew? Who is the worldchampion now?
« Reply #84 on: Sep 28, 2011, 02:27: AM »
Does anyone really care about the world champ title? the only use we have of the title, is for promotion. Lets just have diferent titles for diferent tournaments, thats better!

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Re: Szymo or Andrew? Who is the worldchampion now?
« Reply #85 on: Sep 29, 2011, 06:26: AM »
And another fair chance for martin schopf to compete in SA:

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Re: Szymo or Andrew? Who is the worldchampion now?
« Reply #86 on: Sep 29, 2011, 06:52: AM »
And another fair chance for martin schopf to compete in SA:

RBSS AUSTRIA FINAL [HD] ''Martin Schopf vs Faruk Onmaz''
this video is just another proof that RBSS thinks of us as circus clowns,
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Re: Szymo or Andrew? Who is the worldchampion now?
« Reply #87 on: Sep 29, 2011, 08:31: AM »
And another fair chance for martin schopf to compete in SA:

RBSS AUSTRIA FINAL [HD] ''Martin Schopf vs Faruk Onmaz''

After what happened in RBSS Germany I would not say anything... Anyways, the problem here is this vid is the same of RBSS SA, Edgar Davids. He said that he voted for Faruk because he did some tricks he never seen before, hopefully Red Bull organization send him to RB BC One next time before he judge in any country... hahaha

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Re: Szymo or Andrew? Who is the worldchampion now?
« Reply #88 on: Sep 29, 2011, 03:25: PM »
Does anyone really care about the world champ title? the only use we have of the title, is for promotion. Lets just have diferent titles for diferent tournaments, thats better!

Also, for me there is no such a thing as "world champion" in freestyle.

I don't know why so many of you share this opinion?  Why are so many opposed to having a champion?  Every sport needs someone who is "the best" whether it's accurate or not.  It creates competition, excitement, and something to measure yourself to.

I think it'd be great to know who the top 3 freestylers are.  Something like Tennis, for example.  I like seeing the rankings of Djokovic, Nadal, and Federer.  It makes future competitions between them more exciting and creates that extra bit of competitiveness.  It also helps create fans and passion when you have underdogs, defending champs, etc.
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Re: Szymo or Andrew? Who is the worldchampion now?
« Reply #89 on: Sep 29, 2011, 07:34: PM »
Does anyone really care about the world champ title? the only use we have of the title, is for promotion. Lets just have diferent titles for diferent tournaments, thats better!

Also, for me there is no such a thing as "world champion" in freestyle.

I don't know why so many of you share this opinion?  Why are so many opposed to having a champion?  Every sport needs someone who is "the best" whether it's accurate or not.  It creates competition, excitement, and something to measure yourself to.

I think it'd be great to know who the top 3 freestylers are.  Something like Tennis, for example.  I like seeing the rankings of Djokovic, Nadal, and Federer.  It makes future competitions between them more exciting and creates that extra bit of competitiveness.  It also helps create fans and passion when you have underdogs, defending champs, etc.

The problem for freestyle is that its based on a few persons judgment and opinions, there is no real guidline. In tennis, soccer, hockey, basketball it is easy to judge, the team with the most goals is the winner. But in freestyle, for some people, maybe a patw combo is much harder than a ahmatw combo. But for another person, maybe they think that the ahmatw combo is harder than the patw combo. It's very difficult then to get a worthy winner.

if we have different titles for different competitions, we will know for what reason the different freestylers became masters. If there is one freestyler that is Red Bull Street Style champion, we will know for what reason he won. And if another person has won the event in Prague, we will know for what reason that person won.

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Re: Szymo or Andrew? Who is the worldchampion now?
« Reply #90 on: Sep 30, 2011, 02:45: AM »
Does anyone really care about the world champ title? the only use we have of the title, is for promotion. Lets just have diferent titles for diferent tournaments, thats better!

Also, for me there is no such a thing as "world champion" in freestyle.

I don't know why so many of you share this opinion?  Why are so many opposed to having a champion?  Every sport needs someone who is "the best" whether it's accurate or not.  It creates competition, excitement, and something to measure yourself to.

I think it'd be great to know who the top 3 freestylers are.  Something like Tennis, for example.  I like seeing the rankings of Djokovic, Nadal, and Federer.  It makes future competitions between them more exciting and creates that extra bit of competitiveness.  It also helps create fans and passion when you have underdogs, defending champs, etc.

the problem for freestyle is that its based on a few persons judgment and opinions, there is no real guidline. In tennis, soccer, hockey, basketball it is easy to judge, the team with the most goals is the winner. But in freestyle, for some people, maybe a patw combo is much harder than a ahmatw combo. But for another person, maybe they think that the ahmatw combo is harder than the patw combo. It's very difficult then to get a worthy winner.

if we have different titles for different competitions, we will know for what reason the different freestylers became masters. If there is one freestyler that is Red Bull Street Style champion, we will know for what reason he won. And if another person has won the event in Prague, we will know for what reason that person won.

this is maybe the best post of this thread! the only thing which i don't agree is the fact of name Prague comp a  world championship

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Re: Szymo or Andrew? Who is the worldchampion now?
« Reply #91 on: Sep 30, 2011, 03:12: AM »
if we have different titles for different competitions, we will know for what reason the different freestylers became masters. If there is one freestyler that is Red Bull Street Style champion, we will know for what reason he won. And if another person has won the event in Prague, we will know for what reason that person won.

What do you mean by "different titles"?  I don't think I'm following...

Every competition claims a champion without giving them a specific title.  It seems all of the top competitions have most of the top freestylers and all competitions are arguably as important as the other.  I think that's why nobody can agree which competition is the ultimate decider. 
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Re: Szymo or Andrew? Who is the worldchampion now?
« Reply #92 on: Sep 30, 2011, 06:47: AM »
if we have different titles for different competitions, we will know for what reason the different freestylers became masters. If there is one freestyler that is Red Bull Street Style champion, we will know for what reason he won. And if another person has won the event in Prague, we will know for what reason that person won.

What do you mean by "different titles"?  I don't think I'm following...

Every competition claims a champion without giving them a specific title.  It seems all of the top competitions have most of the top freestylers and all competitions are arguably as important as the other.  I think that's why nobody can agree which competition is the ultimate decider. 

No Adi, actually is well know that the one who wins RBSS is a good show man, the one who wins in Prague is the most technical, and the in KL... is hard to say, the one who bring a new style and consistence in the tricks, it's hard to say when the judge panel are full of freestylers who actually knows most of the tricks and combinations... but i can tell the 4 who showed new styles got the 4 first places :P

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Re: Szymo or Andrew? Who is the worldchampion now?
« Reply #93 on: Sep 30, 2011, 12:28: PM »
if we have different titles for different competitions, we will know for what reason the different freestylers became masters. If there is one freestyler that is Red Bull Street Style champion, we will know for what reason he won. And if another person has won the event in Prague, we will know for what reason that person won.

What do you mean by "different titles"?  I don't think I'm following...

Every competition claims a champion without giving them a specific title.  It seems all of the top competitions have most of the top freestylers and all competitions are arguably as important as the other.  I think that's why nobody can agree which competition is the ultimate decider. 

The winner of Prague has the "Prage WFFC" title.
The winner of Kuala Lumpur has the "WFFC KL" title.
The winner of RBSS has the "RBSS champion" title.

I think that would be the "best" system since there is no competition there yet where the champion can be called a "true" world champion, as in "the best of the best, all over the world". Of course Andrew is one of the very best out there, however since it was a closed championship (only 16 competitors) I wouldn't called it a "world" championship.

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Re: Szymo or Andrew? Who is the worldchampion now?
« Reply #94 on: Sep 30, 2011, 03:34: PM »
if we have different titles for different competitions, we will know for what reason the different freestylers became masters. If there is one freestyler that is Red Bull Street Style champion, we will know for what reason he won. And if another person has won the event in Prague, we will know for what reason that person won.

What do you mean by "different titles"?  I don't think I'm following...

Every competition claims a champion without giving them a specific title.  It seems all of the top competitions have most of the top freestylers and all competitions are arguably as important as the other.  I think that's why nobody can agree which competition is the ultimate decider. 

the winner of Prague has the "Prage WFFC" title.
the winner of Kuala Lumpur has the "WFFC KL" title.
the winner of RBSS has the "RBSS champion" title.

I think that would be the "best" system since there is no competition there yet where the champion can be called a "true" world champion, as in "the best of the best, all over the world". Of course Andrew is one of the very best out there, however since it was a closed championship (only 16 competitors) I wouldn't called it a "world" championship.
In Australia everyone had a chance to compete in this competition, the winner of course was Bevs so he represented Australia. Wasn't that the case with the other countries?
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Re: Szymo or Andrew? Who is the worldchampion now?
« Reply #95 on: Sep 30, 2011, 06:15: PM »
if we have different titles for different competitions, we will know for what reason the different freestylers became masters. If there is one freestyler that is Red Bull Street Style champion, we will know for what reason he won. And if another person has won the event in Prague, we will know for what reason that person won.

What do you mean by "different titles"?  I don't think I'm following...

Every competition claims a champion without giving them a specific title.  It seems all of the top competitions have most of the top freestylers and all competitions are arguably as important as the other.  I think that's why nobody can agree which competition is the ultimate decider. 

the winner of Prague has the "Prage WFFC" title.
the winner of Kuala Lumpur has the "WFFC KL" title.
the winner of RBSS has the "RBSS champion" title.

I think that would be the "best" system since there is no competition there yet where the champion can be called a "true" world champion, as in "the best of the best, all over the world". Of course Andrew is one of the very best out there, however since it was a closed championship (only 16 competitors) I wouldn't called it a "world" championship.
In Australia everyone had a chance to compete in this competition, the winner of course was Bevs so he represented Australia. Wasn't that the case with the other countries?

Nope, IMO it was the only place were was qualifiers.