Author Topic: Football Freestyle stars Billy Wingrove & Jeremy Lynch for Fifa Ballon D'or  (Read 6713 times)

Offline GrIzz

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No matter how you look on it, bad or not, they are the ones performing on that stage and get alot of money from it.
It was a good performance, a performance that this event is exactly after, it got style and entertainment, not a guy wich can do harder tricks and sometimes loose the ball. Yes, i think messi and ronaldo and everyone would love to some hardcore shit right there, but thats not really what the event was about in my opinion.

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Pfffff... sorry guys but I dont give a shit about these two... I dont like their performances, freestyle, personality or however you call it... it is connected to each other. If you are dickhead nobody will ever like your freestyle even if you would pay for that...


And if do you think this is exactly what people want to see you are wrong. People just want to be entertained. And who tells just push ups and synchronized crap is entertaining? Pche, proper combo, simple transitions, smooth uppers and average SD. I see millions of replacements...
Reason of drops is the fact that player wants to show sth new sth great what he is not sure with. Because with more LPs player will become more boring with all the same stuff... If Andrew would stay with his routine and show it everywhere he has no drops.
Lets be honest and admit that everyone of you here would be able to do this performance for first try without any practicing. Dont you wanna see Ronaldo, Messi or others watching you instead of B+J? So now tell me what is entertaining!!!

So for me this was just marketing fight among agents of freestylers who would get this performance. Unfortunately these two got it and we should cry there wasnt someone who really deserves it and can show "Freestyle Football" in its best way.

To each his own I guess.
But about the connection between boringness vs. drops, i have to completely disagree with you.
Look at JK for example. The guy renew himself frequently, comes up with brilliant things time after time, and still remains very stable and no drops.
And I totally agree that when freestyler drops the ball it's because he wanna try something brilliant, but we have to ask this question again: Do the people watching (mostly non freestylers) love it? They don't know freestyle, they don't know what the freestylers are trying to do! The only thing they see is that the freestyler drop the ball, and that's final. Do you think people will be entertained by that, especially a formal crowd like this? Well, sorry to argue, but I just can't bring myself to agree.
And once again, I seriously don't think anyone here can do that routine 1st try without practicing. All of you always say the tricks are easy, and I agree. The tricks themselves are easy, separately (this word is the key: separately). But i really doubt anyone here can do the sequence from 2:18 to 3:02 perfectly at first try without any drop and practicing beforehand, plus on that kind of atmosphere.   
It's really ironic that I'm doing this, because I have always hated those two guys as person, especially Jeremy he's no more than a dickhead. But we have to remain composed and focused, as well as retaining our open mindedness in order to perceive some of the good that this performance actually has: the calmness in pressure, the interactions with the audience (which is, of course, not the tricks or the excessive dancing, which are f!cking ugly in my eyes)... and then trying to encorporate that into our own performance. Sometimes it's all we need to actually improve our performance and can even sometimes improve our ability to recruit non freestylers into our cause. A cobra, although can bite people to death with its venom, is actually a very important organism in the ecosystem. We just don't annihilate the whole cobra population because it can bite us to death right? Same thing applies here.

I guess I got your point. Well if you are talking about no drops with new stuff coming and mentioned JK, why do not put him into it? I bet my mom´s ass he could entertain those people with proper Freestyle Football skills and without stupid suits... Then we would see Ronaldo´s and Messi´s face in "wtf" position for sure... cause (quote by Daniel Rooseboom) "Messi´s face was like ´I can do better´expression"... that wasnt because of formal action (I consider those talks about no expressions as a bull shit) but it was really sign of boring performance...

We know how to entertain people, we know how to communicat with crowd and we know how to do these shitty moves for first try without any practicing. Dont take me wrong I am just saying what I see... and I see no potencial in the future of these two. Whatever action they are gonna perform at.

World is gonna find out about Andrew, Palle or Luki and then: "Good bye, Jeremy. Good bye, Billy. Next time try to wake up after your first success in 2005"

Anyway appreciate your opinion.

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No Words For This Crap -.-"

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I have to admit, entertaining lp, even though I have seen it a couple of times before.... but I have to say one thing I have in my mind:

If you are only freestyling in order to get lps and money you're not a real freestyle in my eyes. You have to feel the spirit and I bet none of these two know any names of freestyle moves besides the classics like crossover, atw, htw, neckstall and stuff. Freestyle is just more than only about performances and getting money. Respect it and don't use it as a opportunity to get money...
« Last Edit: Feb 09, 2011, 04:14: AM by Philippe »

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Lol min 1.08 ronaldo is like pssssss i can do that shit! I0m better..!

Ok yeah props for the no drops but please lets be realistic some years back it could have been sick but they stayed back in those days they gotta catch up a bit.. not saying they have to do some crazy combo but common I can even do better than that!

Also a good performer changes routine every now and then this thing has been going around for year or more….

Tom has a point on what clients want but still….if there is someone new with something better why can’t they deserve such a gig…cause there are talkers.. psss please.. so it’s up to those who have better skills to come out with something better

I just don’t agree that this is the image of freestyle that’s is being givin…

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I guess I got your point. Well if you are talking about no drops with new stuff coming and mentioned JK, why do not put him into it? I bet my mom´s ass he could entertain those people with proper Freestyle Football skills and without stupid suits... Then we would see Ronaldo´s and Messi´s face in "wtf" position for sure... cause (quote by Daniel Rooseboom) "Messi´s face was like ´I can do better´expression"... that wasnt because of formal action (I consider those talks about no expressions as a bull shit) but it was really sign of boring performance...

We know how to entertain people, we know how to communicat with crowd and we know how to do these shitty moves for first try without any practicing. Dont take me wrong I am just saying what I see... and I see no potencial in the future of these two. Whatever action they are gonna perform at.

World is gonna find out about Andrew, Palle or Luki and then: "Good bye, Jeremy. Good bye, Billy. Next time try to wake up after your first success in 2005"

Anyway appreciate your opinion.

Again, to each his own I guess.
Because it looks to me that these facial expressions of Ronaldo and Messi symbolized something very different, something like: "Wow that was impressive", and Messi's expression was right in time of a series of applause, and I don't really want to ask this, but are you guys sure you guys said that without any hating or bias?
And in formal celebrations like this, you shouldn't have any kind of insane cheering or "wtf" expressions is somewhat of a default. Everytime you see people in suits attending a big event, you know there won't be any kind of cheering, and applause is the highest kind of appreciation there can be.
I have to say that your opinions have been invaluable for this forum as a whole, and to me as an individual. But it seems that you harbor a hate for these two guys by their personalities, and then it spread into their performances as well. I know how easy that can be. In fact I was exactly the same as you once. But then, I realized that sometimes, you have to look past their limitations to find the thing they do well (and please don't tell me these two didn't do anything well in the performance above...). In fact, as true freestylers, we should learn to use their weapons against them and eventually win their place to perform in places like this.  

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Out of all these comments, there are actually a couple of guys who are MATURE enough to speak without hate towards a performance by freestylers they don't even like. Respect to you guys!

Even if you don't like or even if you hate Billy & Jeremy, along with their freestyle and performances, you need to RESPECT it and not let all of your jelaousy do the talking!

First off, the thing we should be happy about it that our sport/art is getting the chance to be showcased at big events such as this one. Just because Billy & Jeremy were performing this time, doesn't mean that in the future other guys won't be on the stage instead of them.

Khoa has made some excellent point in his point and so has Tom. Truth is, at some point of our lives, all of us had the SAME opinions as most of you have now about this kind of commercial freestyle, but as you get older, you get more mature and you start to realize certain things, which leads to being more open minded and actually being objective. Well, at least this goes for most of us, some stay the same jealousy filled know-it-alls as when they were in puberty...

I'm completely sure none of you have ever performed at an event like that, so you don't even have a clue what's it like. Furthermore, what is completely ironic, is that their performance was better than the vast majority of those who talk shit about them and their performance and claim they could do (much) better themselves. And no, you couldn't do their act 1st try without practice, not even if your life depended on it, lol.

Yes, the tricks they do are easy, but as Khoa already said, they are easy when performed separately, when they are part of choreographed routine which is synchronized to the music, it's a different story.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not crazy about them, their performance or the image they are presenting  to the world about what freestyle football is, but that certainly doesn't mean I'm going to hate them or talk shit about them. Remember, times will change and so will the guys on the stage, especially when there will be more freestylers who will do SHOWS and not just perform random tricks with music playing in the background.

Also, don't forget that the management part of the "game" will always play a big role for big events like these, so more often than not, the person with the best contacts and CVs will be up there on stage, not who you think "deserved it the most".

All in all, stop fucking hating so much, learn to respect others and be objective and not just ass kiss the people you like or admire.


Over and out...


P.S. They did change their usual routine a bit, but you were too blind to see it and I'm sure if some of the more liked members of the freestyle football community did this kind of performance, most of you would be up their asses by now.

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im gonna go ahead and unlock this (Miran if u really wanna lock it then no problem) coz i think this thread is entertaining, and the above post by Miran was one of the best ive ever seen on BF lol!!
i want to see peoples opinion after reading that post

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Well said mate... let's make an article out of this. :grin:

And I agree with Dan, these types of threads need to stay alive to keep the sparks going. :great:
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