dan, i'm sorry, but you are 100% wrong. all freestyle styles, except maybe the use of hands, were originally used to train for football. if you don't believe me, just watch any warm up for a professional football match. you will see people juggling the ball with lower and upper body. its less likely, but you may even see someone do something sitting down. this was the beginning of freestyle. all i am saying is that separating football from freestyle is a really stupid move. it removes the history of the sport, and hurts is you in the possible business of the sport since most performances people get are for some football related event. another example is that futsal and beach soccer are completely different sports than football. they are played in an extremely different way. one player from each sport, isn't always good at the others just as in freestyle. they haven't replaced football from its background, so freestyle shouldn't either. dan, i respect you as a freestyler, but if you continue to say football has nothing to do with it, you need to consider yourself a juggler instead.