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Soccer => Soccer Forum => Topic started by: manutd. on May 06, 2009, 08:02: AM
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United is trying to defend their trophy while Barca books a spot in the final in the 94th minute.
Messi v Ronaldo
Barca v United
Wednesday, May 27th, 2009;
Rome, Italy
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crap wrong thread ,errr Barcelona to win! :thumbsup:
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I Predict Barca win in 90min. with a minimum of 1 bullshit call and one beautiful goal
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claiming united 2-1
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united will win
ehh....
barca will win...
err....
it can go either way, the best possible match up you can get, and the most entertaining at that :rockit:
can't wait
gonna frap this shit while I watch it online :popcorn:
Messi vs Ronaldo
Eto'o vs Tevez (assuming of course that he'll be there, which I'm hoping he will)
Henry vs Rooney
:popcorn: :popcorn:
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Barca win 8-0
lol nah seriously barca win 1-0 early or late goal
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I don't care who wins..
Barca is my club, but honestly they don't deserve a place in this final..
However, Messi vs Ronaldo.. the 2 greatest players of this moment.
Will be a historical evening :thumbsup:
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I think that Barca gonna bring it home.
Mainly beacuse overall barca got the strongest team of them.
Predicting a tight mach where it runs goal in both way and seing Barca gonna end it to 2-1.
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I reckon utd'll win.
I think they'll be too good for them.
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I reckon utd'll win.
I think they'll be too good for them.
I reckon you're wrong
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barca may have a stronger overall team, but Man U's got true team spirit
all of the players hold their head up high like each of them are the best
and when they combine their pride, you just can't stop em
it's like each of them are lions.
they treat the opponent like they're just normal prey
If Barca brings their spirit up high, and treat man u like their nothing then there's no knowing where the match will go
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barca may have a stronger overall team, but Man U's got true team spirit
all of the players hold their head up high like each of them are the best
and when they combine their pride, you just can't stop em
it's like each of them are lions.
they treat the opponent like they're just normal prey
If Barca brings their spirit up high, and treat man u like their nothing then there's no knowing where the match will go
that's bullshit, and you know it
Barca works better as a cohesive unit than any side in the world
what more do you want a soccer team to be?
Sure, man u players hold their heads up high
so do players on my club team, but are we winning championships? Fuck no
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but are we winning championships? Fuck no
but manchester united IS winning championships.
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but are we winning championships? Fuck no
but manchester united IS winning championships.
I know that
I'm just saying that it means nothing if you hold your head high
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barca may have a stronger overall team, but Man U's got true team spirit
all of the players hold their head up high like each of them are the best
and when they combine their pride, you just can't stop em
it's like each of them are lions.
they treat the opponent like they're just normal prey
If Barca brings their spirit up high, and treat man u like their nothing then there's no knowing where the match will go
hahahahhaah lol
Barca are a champion team, there currently is no team in the world that plays equal to them,
we'll just have to wait and see this result
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Barca are a champion team, there currently is no team in the world that plays equal to them,
yeah. they were absolutely fantastic versus chelsea. far and away the best team in europe
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Chelsea should be in the final. I'm boycotting!!
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barca may have a stronger overall team, but Man U's got true team spirit
all of the players hold their head up high like each of them are the best
and when they combine their pride, you just can't stop em
it's like each of them are lions.
they treat the opponent like they're just normal prey
If Barca brings their spirit up high, and treat man u like their nothing then there's no knowing where the match will go
They only look for good, you better start praying.
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Barca are a champion team, there currently is no team in the world that plays equal to them,
yeah. they were absolutely fantastic versus chelsea. far and away the best team in europe
it was defense vs offense. chelsea had to play in a defensive shell both home and away. please, these games are just a matter of pure tactics and luck. everyone knows this.
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chelsea had to play in a defensive shell both home and away
barcelona was extremely vulnerable on the counter and could not break down chelsea for shit. manchester united did the exact same thing last year w/similar results. teams don't win games by keeping a lot of possession
please, these games are just a matter of pure tactics and luck.
kind of, but barcelona isn't this mystical team that everyone has been making them out to be
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yeah. they were absolutely fantastic versus chelsea. far and away the best team in europe
Yeah lol (I knew you was bein sarcastic)
Barca may win, but utd wouldnt of only had one shot against chelsea....
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kind of, but barcelona isn't this mystical team that everyone has been making them out to be
it's every team that plays Barcelona plays a 10 - 1 formation; that's 10 defenders and 1 forward. period. it's never barcelona doing that to chelsea or manchester united.
now getting the result is obviously important, but united and chelsea had no choice but to play a 10 -1. other wise, they'd probably get slaughtered.
it's unrealistic that a team could break down a "packed box" strategy. let's be real here.
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it's every team that plays Barcelona plays a 10 - 1 formation; that's 10 defenders and 1 forward. period. it's never barcelona doing that to chelsea or manchester united.
to be fair to every team involved, barcelona playing a "10-1" (what manchester united and chelsea have been playing hasn't been close to a 10-1) wouldn't go over so well. they wouldn't exactly be playing to their strengths
now getting the result is obviously important, but united and chelsea had no choice but to play a 10 -1. other wise, they'd probably get slaughtered.
i don't know about slaughtered, but that would play directly into the hands of barcelona
it's unrealistic that a team could break down a "packed box" strategy. let's be real here.
look, barcelona has seen the same thing for 360 minutes and hasn't made an adjustment. it's all part of the game. it's certainly not unrealistic. the game is played 11 v 11, w/one ball, and two goals. beyond that, it's whoever scores more, and naturally, the best team would be the one who scores more consistently
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trust me, if any one team scores more consitently in the champions league it's barcelona
http://www.uefa.com/competitions/ucl/statistics/clubs/index.html
30 goals scored, and 62% average possession. plus the best player in the world, also leading in goals with 8 and another great player leading in assists, xavi with 6 and messi with 5. it's undenaible that they have the most potent attack force in europe, i don't know what's so hard to understand about that.
this doesn't mean they'll win the final, but they surely are the best team in europe.
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trust me, if any one team scores more consitently in the champions league it's barcelona
http://www.uefa.com/competitions/ucl/statistics/clubs/index.html
30 goals scored, and 62% average possession. plus the best player in the world, also leading in goals with 8 and another great player leading in assists, xavi with 6 and messi with 5. it's undenaible that they have the most potent attack force in europe, i don't know what's so hard to understand about that.
this doesn't mean they'll win the final, but they surely are the best team in europe.
agreed
emphatically
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trust me, if any one team scores more consitently in the champions league it's barcelona
what does that have to do w/their play against united last year and chelsea this year? you can point to whatever essentially unrelated statistic you'd like, but against the elite english teams these past two years they've had HUGE problems breaking them down, and not only have they had trouble breaking them down, they've shown very little capacity to alter their plans. :bang: my point isn't that barcelona does not score goals in bundles. that's undeniable. it's that, over the past two seasons, they've had trouble scoring in the final four against english comp.
30 goals scored and 62% average possession. plus the best player in the world, also leading in goals with 8 and another great player leading in assists, xavi with 6 and messi with 5. it's undenaible that they have the most potent attack force in europe, i don't know what's so hard to understand about that.
curiously, manchester united, on average, concedes .1 goals less than barcelona per goal scored
yes, i understand who plays for barcelona, and how they've performed this season. yes, they're a good team. yes, they're a great team, but they're not far and away the best team in europe. one of the top 3-top 4? sure. are they the best team in europe? that has yet to be decided
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trust me, if any one team scores more consitently in the champions league it's barcelona
what does that have to do w/their play against united last year and chelsea this year?
so united can score 1 goal vs barcelona and chelsea can score 1 and conceed 1. what the hell does that prove? that both teams can play box defense well. to me, it's a scared tactic. let's be honest here.
united played poorly vs barcelona last year, because we have to understand that paul scholes will frequently blast shots into top corners. but if you look at the efficiency of either team in both games last year, it was poor. united is playing to it's strength and playing much more defensively. no problem there, but until a team can come out in the champions league and play a normal game, it's stupid to think that "barcelona struggles" when they are faced with a box full of defenders every time.
to sum up my point: Pique had the ball inside the Chelsea half very frequently throughout both games.
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so united can score 1 goal vs barcelona and chelsea can score 1 and conceed 1. what the hell does that prove? that both teams can play box defense well. to me, it's a scared tactic. let's be honest here.
it's a smart "tactic," and one that they will typically employ against each other, not just barcelona. in short, it means that those teams can be extremely competitive w/barcelona, and when one of those teams has been undefeated for 25ish fucking games in the champions league, i'd be slow to anoint another team as "the team."
but until a team can come out in the champions league and play a normal game, it's stupid to think that "barcelona struggles" when they are faced with a box full of defenders every time.
it's not that they've simply struggled. they had ONE shot on target versus chelsea and looked extremely vulnerable on the counter.
they had NO answer (well, andres iniesta did :lol:). they did the same fucking thing for 360 minutes
to sum up my point: Pique had the ball inside the Chelsea half very frequently throughout both games.
and in the battle of marathon, the persian immortals pushed the center of the athenian line to its breaking point, but that doesn't mean that the pincher motion from the two athenian flanks was any less lethal
/end matiliades fanboy
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they had ONE shot on target versus chelsea and looked extremely vulnerable on the counter.
they did the same fucking thing for 360 minutes
next time, they'll bring a bulldozer and plow through all of the defense; how do you answer a sturdy defense that closes down Leonel Messi with 5 players at a time? don't be silly. there is only so much you can do in this situation. you said it yourself, it's 11 v 11 with a ball and a couple of goals. when shit hits the fans, there isn't some god a team can summon that will help them win. when you've got your central defenders driving an attack, it's obvious that there isn't much more you can do.
the defensive tactics of Guus were nailed down to a perfection; however, even a perfect and resolute defense couldn't stop Barcelona so far this year. :hello:
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Barca are a champion team, there currently is no team in the world that plays equal to them,
yeah. they were absolutely fantastic versus chelsea. far and away the best team in europe
Chelsea went all out defence so of course barca could not play the way they usually play
if chelsea went all out defense against man utd do you think man utd would have dont better then barca?
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they had ONE shot on target versus chelsea and looked extremely vulnerable on the counter.
they did the same fucking thing for 360 minutes
next time, they'll bring a bulldozer and plow through all of the defense; how do you answer a sturdy defense that closes down Leonel Messi with 5 players at a time? don't be silly. there is only so much you can do in this situation. you said it yourself, it's 11 v 11 with a ball and a couple of goals. when shit hits the fans, there isn't some god a team can summon that will help them win. when you've got your central defenders driving an attack, it's obvious that there isn't much more you can do.
do you remember the few instances in the game where barcelona actually switched the field w/i a reasonable amount of time? they found space. there's always space on the field, especially when five players are gravitating towards a single player. there's plenty you can do in that situation. barcelona just was not doing it.
barcelona had just run out of ideas
even a perfect and resolute defense couldn't stop Barcelona so far this year.
*didn't see essien's clearance.* plus, away goals don't apply in the final.
Chelsea went all out defence so of course barca could not play the way they usually play
...but they tried to for 180 minutes. anyway, that wasn't all out defense. chelsea had 13 fucking shots, 6 corners, and 5 offsides. they were extremely disciplined, but "all out defense" is a huge stretch. chelsea just played a high pressure game and pushed barcelona sideways. barcelona had no answer for it
if chelsea went all out defense against man utd do you think man utd would have dont better then barca?
sir alex would have, at the very least, adjusted his gameplan
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but they tried to for 180 minutes. barcelona had no answer for it
lol which team made it to the final? no matter what way you look at it, technically, thier game plan worked. they pushed around the box until they found a shot. albeit a lucky one :thumbsup:
sir alex would have, at the very least, adjusted his gameplan
i think Pep and all of his 5 years old is allowed to make such rookie mistakes and still make it to the final. sir alex has over 20 years of experience with the same team, let's not be silly and compare the two as if they are on the same level.
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United for me..2-0 :3some:
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lol which team made it to the final? no matter what way you look at it, technically, thier game plan worked. they pushed around the box until they found a shot. albeit a lucky one Thumbs Up
you can look at it from whatever angle you'd like. i don't discount that they are a great team, but come on, they had a ton of problems. it doesn't make them any less worthy, but it definitely comes into play when they play a great team such as manchester united
i mean, seriously, they didn't look like that beat everyone team that everyone made them out to be
i think Pep and all of his 5 years old is allowed to make such rookie mistakes and still make it to the final. sir alex has over 20 years of experience with the same team, let's not be silly and compare the two as if they are on the same level.
that's not even a rookie mistake, that's retarded.
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but come on, they had a ton of problems
you seem to be missing or ignoring the point, that teams are playing virtually all out defense on them. looking for space or not, any team would have problems if chelsea did that to them. you can't make any comparisons because chelsea does not do that to manchester united.
i mean, seriously, they didn't look like that beat everyone team that everyone made them out to be
again, you're speaking as if it was a "normal" game. we both know it was going to be very difficult for them to breakdown Chelsea.
that's not even a rookie mistake, that's retarded.
first year as manager: champions league final + la liga title = not retarded
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i don't understand guys :dontknow:
how can people say barcelona is the best team in europe
they should have lost to chelsea
and don't fucking argue with me bout this
just watch this vid
me personally
man u all the way
theres no better team
its gonna be 3 epls in a row
AND 2 CHAMPIONS LEAGUES :thumbsup:
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they should have lost to chelsea
just watch this vid
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you seem to be missing or ignoring the point, that teams are playing virtually all out defense on them.
the second leg was not close to "all out defense." chelsea got forward often and in numbers. they just don't need 60 minutes of possession to do something w/the ball. playing high pressure and getting men behind the ball does not necessarily mean that they were playing "all out defense." chelsea just let barcelona play in front of them. having a lot of poss =/= that the other team is inside of a shell
first year as manager: champions league final + la liga title = not retarded
that's not even a rookie mistake, that's retarded.
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that's retarded
champions league final
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that's retarded
champions league final
*sighs*
hopefully we'll have something else to argue about in two weeks
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that's retarded
champions league final
*sighs*
hopefully we'll have something else to argue about in two weeks
not being a barcelona fan and you being a united fan makes this so much better :banana:
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united fan
:rolleyes:
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i don't understand guys :dontknow:
how can people say barcelona is the best team in europe
they should have lost to chelsea
and don't fucking argue with me bout this
just watch this vid
me personally
man u all the way
theres no better team
its gonna be 3 epls in a row
AND 2 CHAMPIONS LEAGUES :thumbsup:
you're a retard
sorry for the flame, but barca was playing a man down after a questionable red card call
I mean, when you watch barca play, and then when you watch man u or any other team in europe, it's like watching a different game. Even Arsenal, a team that is supposed to have great passing, look like they're fumbling with the ball compared to the way barca moves it. hell if man u tried that they'd have giveaways by the bucketload.
but of curse, brits never understood that style of soccer....I've never seen one british team, or british-coached team, play like that.
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united fan
:rolleyes:
we both know it's the truth!
i don't know, TF10, the counterattack United had vs Arsenal was about as smooth as you could move a soccerball. i wouldn't go as far as critisizing United, because they are in fact defending thier title and moving onto thier 3rd straight premiership crown.
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I mean, when you watch barca play, and then when you watch man u or any other team in europe, it's like watching a different game. Even Arsenal, a team that is supposed to have great passing, look like they're fumbling with the ball compared to the way barca moves it.
the exact same style of play. barcelona is just a better team. w/flamini arsenal would've been considerably better this year.
hell if man u tried that they'd have giveaways by the bucketload.
their style of play varies considerably e.g. arsenal first leg v. arsenal second leg.
i don't know, TF10, the counterattack United had vs Arsenal was about as smooth as you could move a soccerball. i wouldn't go as far as critisizing United, because they are in fact defending thier title and moving onto thier 3rd straight premiership crown.
or the 22 pass goal against fulham
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pb, you're not a scum fan are you?
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pb, you're not a scum fan are you?
no, but ^_^ would say otherwise
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so you support?
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so you support?
(http://images.ussoccer.com/Images/Gallery/630_327200_600_md_USMNT061508117.jpg)
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oh I'll admit that those flashes of brilliance do happen
no denying that
but barcelona strings 30 passes together on a regular basis without the other team touching the ball.
when you look at the buildup of their plays, you'll notices that the other team either doesn't touch, or barely touches, the ball....it's just that they don't penetrate right away and use their flanks more so that they can jockey an opening into the 18 and thread a pass through
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oh I'll admit that those flashes of brilliance do happen
no denying that
but barcelona strings 30 passes together on a regular basis without the other team touching the ball.
when you look at the buildup of their plays, you'll notices that the other team either doesn't touch, or barely touches, the ball....it's just that they don't penetrate right away and use their flanks more so that they can jockey an opening into the 18 and thread a pass through
you're taking the argument the wrong way. you called it "flashes of brilliance" but i have to reiterate the fact that winning the league 3 times and the champions league possibly twice in a row is a LONG flash of brilliance; in other words, they are very consistent.
don't take the argument this way and try to say that United isn't a consistently great team; they are.
but ^_^ would say otherwise
i mean, there isn't anything wrong with supporting United, which you and I both know you do. i'm not saying you live and die for them. relax.
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the brilliance that I was talking about is the passing play pb pointed out, and the one w/ 22 passes. I'm saying that such a thing rarely happens for british teams, whereas for barca, it is their style of play.
I wasn't saying that man u hasn't been a force these past few years, because saying that would be ridiculous
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here's an interesting fact:
barcelona has won it's copa del rey along with the leage; united has won it's league cup as long as well as the league (let's remember, that panathinaikos fc won the club world championship once or whatever, so really how meaningful is that :nopity:)
so it's kind of like 2-2
and this game will certainly decide which team is the best team in europe :banana:
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I think ManU win 1-0. Barca hasn't got Abidal and Alves :bang:
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(let's remember, that panathinaikos fc won the club world championship once or whatever, so really how meaningful is that No Pity)
no they didn't. they were runners-up. they were also runners up in the european cup (CL) during the same period of time ('71).
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(let's remember, that panathinaikos fc won the club world championship once or whatever, so really how meaningful is that No Pity)
no they didn't. they were runners-up. they were also runners up in the european cup (CL) during the same period of time ('71).
regardless, it's pretty meaningless. to me it's like a community shield match.
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(let's remember, that panathinaikos fc won the club world championship once or whatever, so really how meaningful is that No Pity)
no they didn't. they were runners-up. they were also runners up in the european cup (CL) during the same period of time ('71).
regardless, it's pretty meaningless. to me it's like a community shield match.
i'd put it over the community shield. i mean, it does mean that you are the champion of the world, but i kind of agree.
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Ohh.
You coulda jus told me, I still don't know lol
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Ohh.
You coulda jus told me, I still don't know lol
US MNT
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US MNT
Oh yeah, I've heard they've got a great offense, but a not so good de-fence. A pretty entertaining soccer team all in all.
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:lol:
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here's an interesting fact:
barcelona has won it's copa del rey along with the leage; united has won it's league cup as long as well as the league (let's remember, that panathinaikos fc won the club world championship once or whatever, so really how meaningful is that :nopity:)
so it's kind of like 2-2
and this game will certainly decide which team is the best team in europe :banana:
United's accomplishments this year have been outstanding, you can't take anything away from them. FIFA Club World Cup is something, and it actually does mean a lot.
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meh, where the hell have you been for this argument!
well, the term "world champions" and "club soccer" don't go hand in hand very well, no matter how you look at it. take, for example, the concacaf champions league. these new developed competitions...well...frankly, no one gives a shit about them :hello:
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fuck
guys the match is weeks away and we already have 5 pages, what the fuck were we talking about all this time
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we were discussing which team is better :dontknow:
what does it matter?
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srsly, at least it has been active
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srsly
:lol:
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Hope Barca win
Hate both but Barca seems more bearable
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In one week we know who have won... :rolleyes: :biggrin:
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i pray that barca wins. if you are neutral, you should lean towards barca, because they play the better football. barca also probably is the best team in the world at the moment whether they win the final or not. unfortunately i don't expect this game to be very entertaining unless barca score early. united will sit back and look to counter if barca doesn't meaning the game will be much like the chelsea games, very boring. i would say most likely if the game is entertaining barca will win, because they are the better footballing team at the moment. their passing and teamwork will be too much for united's defense. all the teams that have had success against united have attacked them, and forced them to play football. if the game is boring look for a repeat of last years semi, stinkfest all game than some screamer from a united player to win 1-0.
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Barca played like crap against Chelsea, they will play like crap against United aswell.
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Barca played like crap against Chelsea, they will play like crap against United aswell.
actually i would say that barca played poorly against chelsea. i thought that they played pretty good. its just that chelsea's game plan made it very hard for barca to play their style of football. they needed a more direct option to break up the bunker defense of chelsea. possibly switching henry to the central striker role could work. he could be a direct outlet if the game is too clogged up to play their normal way.
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United won't let Barcelona play their style either. Barcelona is being hyped up too much. The problem is if Barcelona aren't allowed to play their style they are very poor. Sorry a great team can play any style.
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United won't let Barcelona play their style either. Barcelona is being hyped up too much. The problem is if Barcelona aren't allowed to play their style they are very poor. Sorry a great team can play any style.
It's always the team playing against Barcelona that must adapt in order to hinder Barcelona's style. Never the other way around. This is an obvious sign of a great team.
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United won't let Barcelona play their style either. Barcelona is being hyped up too much. The problem is if Barcelona aren't allowed to play their style they are very poor. Sorry a great team can play any style.
It's always the team playing against Barcelona that must adapt in order to hinder Barcelona's style. Never the other way around. This is an obvious sign of a great team.
no, it's not, especially when you can not adapt to more effectively break the other team down. it's not like barcelona played the same game and ran through chelsea like a buzzsaw
this: Sorry a great team can play any style.
in so much as a great team will adapt to break the other team down
don't get me wrong, barcelona is one of the top teams in europe, but it's not because they play the same god damned way every game
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this argument is running in circles. i don't know what's so hard to understand.
United played Porto and Arsenal. I understand thier unbeaten streak, but what have they showed this season that Barcelona hasn't? Both have won thier respective leagues and a cup. Barcelona happens to be better offensively, and United better defensively in the competition. Barcelona have the best player in the world, and United have the second best.
Why is it even a question that Barcelona is the greatest or one of the greatest team in the world right now? Because they struggled to get victories? United relied on a magical Ronaldo 45 yard shot to scrape them past Porto. Give me a break.
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Why is it even a question that Barcelona is the greatest or one of the greatest team in the world right now?
barcelona is one of the top teams in europe
it's not. they're obviously one of the best two-three-four teams in europe. what remains to be seen is if they are far and away the best team in europe (which many people have been making them out to be)
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if it isn't barcelona, then it isn't anyone, to be honest.
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if it isn't barcelona, then it isn't anyone, to be honest.
this statement is true in every sense
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if it isn't barcelona, then it isn't anyone, to be honest.
one of the greatest team in the world right now?
if manchester united wins this game, they will have done just about everything there is to do this year. i don't think you can reasonably put it past them. i wouldn't imagine that you could still give it to the team that "plays prettier."
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if united wins this game, you'll think they'll be "far and beyond" better than any other team? don't make me laugh.
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if united wins this game, you'll think they'll be "far and beyond" better than any other team? don't make me laugh.
no, but i sure will consider them the #1 team in europe
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these games mean nothing anyway. honestly. United won last year because John Terry slipped, not because they are the best team in Europe. That is a fact.
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united winning last year doesn't mean that united is far and away the best team in europe. in fact, there isn't much that separated chelsea and united last year (i.e. very, very little). i will consider united the best team in europe if they win, but that doesn't mean that i consider them much better than barcelona
a one off game doesn't really mean anything. winning consistently across all competitions means a whole hell of a lot. there may not be anything that really separates barcelona and united, and that's not really why i've argued in this thread
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true, your argument was/is that barcelona is not far and away the best team in europe
a one off game doesn't really mean anything
at least we've got that right
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United won't let Barcelona play their style either. Barcelona is being hyped up too much. The problem is if Barcelona aren't allowed to play their style they are very poor. Sorry a great team can play any style.
It's always the team playing against Barcelona that must adapt in order to hinder Barcelona's style. Never the other way around. This is an obvious sign of a great team.
no, it's not, especially when you can not adapt to more effectively break the other team down. it's not like barcelona played the same game and ran through chelsea like a buzzsaw
this: Sorry a great team can play any style.
in so much as a great team will adapt to break the other team down
don't get me wrong, barcelona is one of the top teams in europe, but it's not because they play the same god damned way every game
well sorry, but they kind of did get here playing the same style every damned game. the teams that changed their styles in this competition have been chelsea and manunited who are normally attacking teams. they must change their game, because barca would punish them if they didn't. thats why chelsea played so defensively. barca kept plugging away at them with their intricate and technical passing and if finally paid off with goal that mattered. the only difference to barca's game that they may need is to add some directness to their game if the other teams sits back. this will open the game up allowing barca to play their style. probably the best option would be to switch henry to the CF role, because his experience with arsenal and the french national team during the world cup will be good for playing direct when necessary.
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true, your argument was/is that barcelona is not far and away the best team in europe
pretty much
well sorry, but they kind of did get here playing the same style every damned game.
and, that's a fault of their's. it works for teams they can just rumble over
manunited
it's not so much that they are an "attacking" team. they will play to whatever you give them e.g. arsenal first leg vs. arsenal second leg
thats why chelsea played so defensively
first leg, yes. through the second leg, chelsea did get men back in defense, but got forward often and in numbers
barca kept plugging away at them with their intricate and technical passing and if finally paid off with goal that mattered.
the soccer equivalent of banging your head against the wall
the only difference to barca's game that they may need is to add some directness to their game if the other teams sits back
which is part of what i was trying to get at throughout this entire thread
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This is a bit offtopic, but does anybody know what channel is going to broadcast the game?
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This is a bit offtopic, but does anybody know what channel is going to broadcast the game?
you can always watch it live
on livetv.ru/en
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ESPN 2
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This is a bit offtopic, but does anybody know what channel is going to broadcast the game?
ESPN 2
even in the midwest
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This is a bit offtopic, but does anybody know what channel is going to broadcast the game?
ESPN 2
even in the midwest
Standerd Eastern Time
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his is probs cst not est
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Barca will win for sure :rolleyes: 2-1
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We will know who is the winner in 1 hour and 45 minutes (if the will not be an extension :biggrin:)
Hope this match will be fantastic!
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1 - 0 Barcelona
Eto'o '9
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barca scored so easy :saywhat:
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barca scored so easy :saywhat:
Yes indeed, and they are way better then Man United, in the first half
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2-0 down now :rolleyes:
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2-0 down now:rolleyes:
Indeed 2-0
Amazing goal by Messi
Game is over imo
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barcelona completely masterclassed manchester united!
sir alex had no answer to pep guardiola :lol:
united looked ragged, they should be embarassed by that shit they called soccer. i've been waiting to say this for so long. damn does this feel good :banana:
the reason i'm so happy? THIERRY HENRY FINALLY GETS HIS CHAMPIONS LEAGUE MEDAL :popcorn:
oh yeah, and Barcelona completed a little thing called a treble, definitely the greatest team in the world right now :nopity:
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barcelona completely masterclassed manchester united!
sir alex had no answer to pep guardiola :lol:
united looked ragged, they should be embarassed by that shit they called soccer. i've been waiting to say this for so long. damn does this feel good :banana:
the reason i'm so happy? THIERRY HENRY FINALLY GETS HIS CHAMPIONS LEAGUE MEDAL :popcorn:
oh yeah, and Barcelona completed a little thing called a treble, definitely the greatest team in the world right now :nopity:
Exactly the same I wanted to say!! :)
The horrible tackle from Scholes had to be red :rolleyes:
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it was a scissors type challange, it was way late, and it definitely could've gotten a red, but the referee was basically flawless in this match. there were no calls that could've changed the game, thus it was an accurate portrayal of the two teams abilities.
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aww yeeeeeee
Barca just showed you doubters what I've been talking about for such a long time now
I'm so happy
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Good result and Ronaldo again showed what an arrogant prick he is with that hissy fit at the end when he challenged Puyol
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visça el barça guyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyys !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cheers:
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tot el camp
es un clam
som la gent blau grana...
:cheers:
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barcelona completely masterclassed manchester united!
sir alex had no answer to pep guardiola :lol:
united looked ragged, they should be embarassed by that shit they called soccer. i've been waiting to say this for so long. damn does this feel good :banana:
the reason i'm so happy? THIERRY HENRY FINALLY GETS HIS CHAMPIONS LEAGUE MEDAL :popcorn:
oh yeah, and Barcelona completed a little thing called a treble, definitely the greatest team in the world right now :nopity:
Took the words right out of my mouth. Great game for Barca's supporters seeing as they outclassed and outplayed Man U. Barca's technical ability was unearthly and Man U were dumbstruck.
it was a scissors type challange, it was way late, and it definitely could've gotten a red, but the referee was basically flawless in this match. there were no calls that could've changed the game, thus it was an accurate portrayal of the two teams abilities.
shouldve been a red but true, the refing throughout the whole game was flawless
Good result and Ronaldo again showed what an arrogant prick he is with that hissy fit at the end when he challenged Puyol
twas funnier when he was complaining to the ref that Puyol was acting when he elbowed him in the back of the head. I mean, of all the people in the world to complain about diving...
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fucking brilliant game!!! barca was absolute class and united was absolute shit. united wanted to score in the first 10 minutes than sit back the rest of the game, and they didn't realize that barca was the team who scored. they still sat back and couldn't even get a hold of the ball. messi proved to be a better player than ronaldo by being a team player, and making the correct decisions on the ball. ronaldo just tried to do things by himself and complained towards the end of the match. funnily enough the only faking i thought i saw was the freekick that united got early in the game. ronaldo put the ball past pique, and forgot about the ball and just ran the other way into pique's body. obvious that he was playing for the foul, and scandalous how he turned away from the ball to run into pique.
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this clears that chelsea are better then united.
and congrats barca
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WOOOOOOOOW
what a fucking match
Inesta has won my heart, damn barca played fucking amazing, i think that was one of the best matches i saw,
well worth getting up at 4:00 am
wooow its official now c.ronaldo is gay and messi is better
but this win truly goes to inesta
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this clears that chelsea are better then united.
and congrats barca
i'm sorry but these games couldn't possibly prove which team is domestically better. United has won 3 league titles in a row. 3.
United is clearly better than Chelsea, because if they weren't, then wouldn't Chelsea have won the past 3 titles?
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this clears that chelsea are better then united.
and congrats barca
i'm sorry but these games couldn't possibly prove which team is domestically better. United has won 3 league titles in a row. 3.
United is clearly better than Chelsea, because if they weren't, then wouldn't Chelsea have won the past 3 titles?
I agree with this and remember Chelsea are much better set up to counter Barca than an Utd in terms of defensive play as they have 2 strikers in the form of Anelka and Drogba who are very much strikers who are good at playing that lone striker role so the rest of the team can sit back whereas Man utd's strikers with the possible exclusion of Berbatov don't really do this and i doubt they'd be able to do it as well as the chelsea strikers.
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Inesta has won my heart,
but this win truly goes to inesta
if you admire the man so much (which you should, he is fucking amazing) then at least do him the honor of spelling his name correctly
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but this win truly goes to inesta
fuck that. fuck iniesta. fuck messi. this game goes to pique
weird game though. at times it was almost a reversal of roles with barcelona content to hold back and counter. united played flat and nemanja vidic had a fucking shocker. clearly deserved win by barcelona
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but this win truly goes to inesta
fuck that. fuck iniesta. fuck messi. this game goes to pique
weird game though. at times it was almost a reversal of roles with barcelona content to hold back and counter. united played flat and nemanja vidic had a fucking shocker. clearly deserved win by barcelona
Actually, I though that Puyol played even better than Pique...he got under Ronaldo's skin like no defender I've ever seen
he shut that shit down
also, Xavi was mind-blowing...he didn't give up the ball once, and that cross to messi was ridiculously accurate
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Xavi and Inesta controled the whole match..fast passing quick desicisons which man you lacked, man u got the ball and there passing was so bad, i think i was watchin a kickball match on man u's side :dontknow: but iv always been a barca fan so that my team and allways will be, the defence line did a great job to isolate rooney..we did not see much of wayne during the match..not only was barcas defence class but questionable before the match which shows barcas manager is class and deff knows what he is doing...man u on the other hand was only good to watch for the first five mins lol...defence for man u sucked and ronaldo the cry baby that he is could not score lol and park how can the korean miss from 6yards :dontknow: park in my eyes is nothing special i dont see what alex sees in park hes not the worst out there but hes just average in my eyes :dontknow:
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fuck iniesta
eh!? iniesta was better than kaka, gerrard, or any other midfielder.
at times
the first 10-15 minutes?
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Actually, I though that Puyol played even better than Pique...he got under Ronaldo's skin like no defender I've ever seen
maybe. but, i'd rather ronaldo out wide putting balls into a rooney or a tevez than ronaldo inside getting balls to his head. pique and toure did not give anyone anything inside of the box outside of the first ten-fifteen minutes. it seemed as if every single ball that went into the box pique got on the end of
eh!? iniesta was better than kaka, gerrard, or any other midfielder.
how many times has iniesta's name been mentioned in this thread? pique's? toure's? that was a rag-tag defensive unit and one that united "should've" run rampant over. if anything, eto'o was the one that completely broke united's back.
the first 10-15 minutes?
no. there were times that barca would spread the ball around for 40-50 passes, but those were few and far between, and the overall poss. stat for the game was completely unlike a "normal" barca match (28ish mins. poss v. 37ish mins regularly), even against manchester united (like 70-30 last year. 51-49 this year). although, "hold back and counter" was a bit extreme. i was surprised at how well they were put together across the field (versus the previous few games against english comp.).
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eto'o..completley broke united's back
who passed it to him :dontknow:
iniesta pressed so much in this game and coupled with xavi and messi, "passed" united's midfield off the park. eto'o played the true strikers roll, scored a crucial goal, and was minimal the rest of the game.
do you realize that united's midfield was outplayed so badly, that ferdinand, oshea and vidic were united's leaders for passes complete?
by the way, no "normal" game is played when you face Manchester United.
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agreed with you. barca completely dominated. the reason the possession was a little closer was that the united backline passed to eachother some. the area of possession gives a better example of barca's dominance. we should probably quit arguing on what barca player was the best player, because that is not why they won. they played as a one brilliant team unit. they worked completely for every player on the field. thats the true reason they won. united didn't do this. certain players are only attackers, and don't track back(not just ronaldo). it just proves that great teams win the biggest trophies, not great players.
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Barca's best player? Barcelona
they just played brilliantly
being a fan of man u I was disappointed at Man U...
the good thing is I love barca too :rockit:
I hate C. Ronaldo and hopes he moves to Real Madrid or something :cursing: he played and acted like a fag
he really just wants to keep the title as FIFA world player. what a twat
I was disappointed in Carrick, his passing power was waaay overdone
Rooney just played like he was nervous. it was like hatton vs pacman all over again...
Tevez was just.... USELESSSSSSSS
Vidic and Rio = retards
I can't comment on Barca's players coz they were ALL unbelievably amazing :bowdown:
one thing though, I'm gonna play like iniesta from now on :hello:
viva la barca :banana:
still a man u fan though, just hope ronaldo gets f!@#ed...
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but this win truly goes to inesta
fuck that. fuck iniesta. fuck messi. this game goes to pique
weird game though. at times it was almost a reversal of roles with barcelona content to hold back and counter. united played flat and nemanja vidic had a fucking shocker. clearly deserved win by barcelona
Actually, I though that Puyol played even better than Pique...he got under Ronaldo's skin like no defender I've ever seen
he shut that shit down
also, Xavi was mind-blowing...he didn't give up the ball once, and that cross to messi was ridiculously accurate
yaya toura was marking c.ronaldo,
Fuck pique, fuck messi, fuck puyol
this game goes to inesta and xavi
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but this win truly goes to inesta
fuck that. fuck iniesta. fuck messi. this game goes to pique
weird game though. at times it was almost a reversal of roles with barcelona content to hold back and counter. united played flat and nemanja vidic had a fucking shocker. clearly deserved win by barcelona
Actually, I though that Puyol played even better than Pique...he got under Ronaldo's skin like no defender I've ever seen
he shut that shit down
also, Xavi was mind-blowing...he didn't give up the ball once, and that cross to messi was ridiculously accurate
yaya toura was marking c.ronaldo,
technically, but ronaldo was playing Puyol's wing alot more than he was playing the centre, especially in the 2nd half
trust, if it hadn't been for Puyol, Ronaldo would've definitely netted at least one
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For sale 30,000 United Flags, Good as new, only been waved for 10 minutes.
Man United officials was going to organise a welcome back parade for the united players, but they knew how hard it was for them to get to rome never mind manchester.
:lol: :lol:
G has left his mark.
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Yaya toure showed some exceptional class in this game there aint many holding midfielders who could do that central defense role as well as him
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United got completely shat on.
Puyol and Messi were amazing i missed the first ten minutes aswell so i didnt see anything good from United.
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It was a strange game because Man U was dominating the opening minutes and when Eto'o got the first goal it almost seemed like a fluke. But after that everything change and Man U couldn't get by the midfield and Barcelona's victory was never really in doubt