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Soccer => Soccer Forum => Topic started by: TheGodEmperor on Mar 31, 2008, 12:18: PM
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sooo...I think this would be interesting since we have alot of experienced players here (I'm looking at you Adi). I myself am an adherent to the style of play introduced bu Cruyff called Total Football (you might have guessed) where evryone plays at virtually every position, covering for each other and stuff, so that the game becomes very elastic. I hate the Catenaccio.
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this staretagy could cause confusion when you face a stable and formed team
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this staretagy could cause confusion when you face a stable and formed team
no because it just allows the defence to support the offense and make overlapping rune, and the offence to drop back and play defence after a defender has made a run or taken the ball up himself
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yeah but a stable and organised defence and easily handle runs and then a huge counter attack can be launched
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yeah but a stable and organised defence and easily handle runs and then a huge counter attack can be launched
catenaccio man here, I see :angry: yeah...small runs and short passes cant be stopped every time.
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what the hell is catenaccio. all you have to do is follow a run. and its not like you can score every chance you get.
i love making stratergies and finding problems with teams.
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catenaccio is how italians (used to) play football. make a goal and defend it.
personally i like a 4-3-1-2 where the two strikers in the front are fast and technical, the 1 person is like a attacking midfielder (gives passes close to the goal or shoots from distance) the 3 are players that help defending and also build the attack (i dont know how to say that exactly in english) they give distance passes to the persons in the front at the right moment so they have much space or they start a combination (1-2-tje in dutch) with the attacking midfielder and help him. the 4 remainder 4 are defenders. when the opponent is easy one or two of them can move on to the 3 before them to keep the pressure on the other half
this is how i would like to see football. i really think it can work properly if you know who to place where
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this is a problem only moby can solve.
for your stategy o would play wing football in a 4-3-3 formation. i would use fast wingers and a good cherry picker or finisher like van nistelrooy in the middle. for the midfield i would have two on each side supporting the strickers and a defensive midfielder in the middle stopping your attacking midfielder from making any passes. the defender know there jobs.
problem solved
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catenaccio is how italians (used to) play football. make a goal and defend it.
personally i like a 4-3-1-2 where the two strikers in the front are fast and technical, the 1 person is like a attacking midfielder (gives passes close to the goal or shoots from distance) the 3 are players that help defending and also build the attack (i dont know how to say that exactly in english) they give distance passes to the persons in the front at the right moment so they have much space or they start a combination (1-2-tje in dutch) with the attacking midfielder and help him. the 4 remainder 4 are defenders. when the opponent is easy one or two of them can move on to the 3 before them to keep the pressure on the other half
this is how i would like to see football. i really think it can work properly if you know who to place where
thats how we play : o
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Libero.
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I'm a 4-3-3 man myself....I like the two wingers, 1 striker, 1 centre mid, 2 outside mid formation because it allows for triangulation at the midfield all the way up to where the striker is. This means that the mids can control the ball and control the midfield, and then they have 3 options: long ball to striker, or thruballs to the wingers. Either way, once they get the ball to the forwards, there is triangulation near the 18 between the wingers and the striker, and the wingers and the mids.
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catenaccio is how italians (used to) play football. make a goal and defend it.
personally i like a 4-3-1-2 where the two strikers in the front are fast and technical, the 1 person is like a attacking midfielder (gives passes close to the goal or shoots from distance) the 3 are players that help defending and also build the attack (i dont know how to say that exactly in english) they give distance passes to the persons in the front at the right moment so they have much space or they start a combination (1-2-tje in dutch) with the attacking midfielder and help him. the 4 remainder 4 are defenders. when the opponent is easy one or two of them can move on to the 3 before them to keep the pressure on the other half
this is how i would like to see football. i really think it can work properly if you know who to place where
thats how we play : o
all right, does it work ? :dontknow:
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catenaccio is how italians (used to) play football. make a goal and defend it.
personally i like a 4-3-1-2 where the two strikers in the front are fast and technical, the 1 person is like a attacking midfielder (gives passes close to the goal or shoots from distance) the 3 are players that help defending and also build the attack (i dont know how to say that exactly in english) they give distance passes to the persons in the front at the right moment so they have much space or they start a combination (1-2-tje in dutch) with the attacking midfielder and help him. the 4 remainder 4 are defenders. when the opponent is easy one or two of them can move on to the 3 before them to keep the pressure on the other half
this is how i would like to see football. i really think it can work properly if you know who to place where
thats how we play : o
all right, does it work ? :dontknow:
he probably would have said if it didnt... :dontknow:
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i personaly like 4-1-2-1-2.
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just like that
two strickers and a attacking midfielder to set them up to centre midfielders to control the midfield. a defensive midfielder to help the defence and the usual defence.
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4-5-1 for life
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Striker
2 Attacking Mid
2 Wingers
1 Defensive Mid
4 Defenders
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not bad.
looks like a christmas tree
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hahaha it does
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4-5-1 for life
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Striker
2 Attacking Mid
2 Wingers
1 Defensive Mid
4 Defenders
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its stupid to isolate your striker like that
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its not isolating when you have two attacking mids passing to you. and the attacking mids can score alot of goals
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exactly :thumbsup:
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see i am a master coach and tactician
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see i am a master coach and tactician
well I am a God-Emperorly coach and tactician
and the formation Tito is talking about is for counter-attacks
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that's a terrible tactic, come on you Aussies
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that's a terrible tactic, come on you Aussies
yeah...god
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this is decent...I would just shift around the top 3 to this:
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so the entire thing would be:
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jontes fomation is just lke mine. it never fails. you come up with a tactic that can beat that
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mine is basically like jonte's...I've just shuffled up the distribution of the forward line
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i think that chrismas tree doesn't works very well cause just one mid- defender can't against three or more MID-atks.
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I myself am an adherent to the style of play introduced bu Cruyff called Total Football (you might have guessed) where evryone plays at virtually every position, covering for each other and stuff, so that the game becomes very elastic.
Total Football is technically the ideal formation but it's extremely hard to pull off successfully. You need to have well rounded players who are smart and able to play both in attack and defense. It's pretty tough to find such players nowadays who can compete with other world class players.
Of course every team has their own tactic to fit the type of players available to them. Personally, I like playing something like this:
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... with the wingers pushing up high on the full backs and one of the two center mids having a bit more attacking freedom to support the striker.
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I myself am an adherent to the style of play introduced bu Cruyff called Total Football (you might have guessed) where evryone plays at virtually every position, covering for each other and stuff, so that the game becomes very elastic.
Total Football is technically the ideal formation but it's extremely hard to pull off successfully. You need to have well rounded players who are smart and able to play both in attack and defense. It's pretty tough to find such players nowadays who can compete with other world class players.
Of course every team has their own tactic to fit the type of players available to them. Personally, I like playing something like this:
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x----x----x----x
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x----x----x----x
... with the wingers pushing up high on the full backs and one of the two center mids having a bit more attacking freedom to support the striker.
thats actually surprisingly cunning, although I like my formation better because it promotes triangulation and total football
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TF10 only playing with 3 defenders is very dangerouse. especially nowadays there is much more tecnical football.
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but if you have batteries as wings no problems
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TF10 only playing with 3 defenders is very dangerouse. especially nowadays there is much more tecnical football.
I am playing with 4 in a diamond formation:
stopper
left fullback right fullback
sweeper
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or like a sweeeper i thought you had a defensive mid there. not bad, but fast wingers would be an ideal way to get through there
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or like a sweeeper i thought you had a defensive mid there. not bad, but fast wingers would be an ideal way to get through there
no just increase the sweepers's range of lateral motion and move the fullbacks out wider
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thats how i would play agaist you formation. and have fullback that come out like roberto carlos, grosso, chimbonda etc
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thats how i would play agaist you formation. and have fullback that come out like roberto carlos, grosso, chimbonda etc
I'd just withdraw my outside mids a bit and use my center mid in more of a roving role (covering more territory). Then I'd use the center mid as a connecting piece with the outside mids and the wingers/striker. This would neutralize your wing atack, and not hurt my attack much at all.
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maybe we should became coaches? :hello:
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maybe we should became coaches? :hello:
yeah maybe we can turn barca around or something :cheers:
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yeah with me coach and yous two my assistants lol
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yeah with me coach and yous two my assistants lol
you can just keep on saying that
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haha. me and TF10 are the coaches here.
back to topic. how would you people play ac milan with ronaldinho
ronaldo inzagi gilardinho
ronaldinho kaka
pirlo
oddo nesta kaladaz jankalvski
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haha. me and TF10 are the coaches here.
back to topic. how would you people play ac milan with ronaldinho
ronaldo inzagi gilardinho
ronaldinho kaka
pirlo
oddo nesta kaladaz jankalvski
I was thinking the same thing. I always like to see 'Dinho in a central role because he will have both sides of the field to use and his options will open up, giving him more room to work that magic from 05/06. So I'd move Inzaghi (maybe) back a bit, and put pirlo on the right. I know its unorthodox, but I really think that Ronaldinho should play center mid.
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pato
kaka ronaldinho
seedorf pirlo gattuso
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thats more like it a;sdlfkjas;df
i just can't see ronaldo, inzagi and gilardinho all playing at the same time and you want to be coaches
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i would play like that every game.
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its just not right seeing that gilardinho is a typical centre foward and isn't much of a winger and isn't a wide players + Ronaldo who could play a bit wide but isn't as effective + Inzaghi isn't gonna get good crosses from those two they are all goal poachers but not all at once it just too hard for them to work like that
plus what happens to Gattuso
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i would use a rotational policy.
pato ronaldo
seedorf kaka gattuso
emerson
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now you change plus where is Pirlo
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I wouldnt start Ronaldo...he doesnt have the stamina anymore. And yes I'd put pato as striker, and Ronaldinho as a withdrawn striker. I still want him in the middle. That would allow Pirlo to play center mid, and kaka + someone else to play on the outside
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i told to i was playing a rotational policy. not evry player will play every game.
and TF10 ronaldo can start up front and near the 65th minute when defenders are getting tired you bring in a fresh stricker like gila, or inzagi
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you both suck
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you both suck
your input into this thread was old-fashioned Italian strategy for the most part :cursing:
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Italian style in the Seria A that would never work
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Italian style in the Seria A that would never work
nah you're using a catenaccio-like counter attack style that is inflexible and ineefective. The best Italian teams play with Total Football.
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i know what i'm using and your both miss-labeling it
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give us your opinion tito.
dont you hate it when coaches make bad tactical changes. example when inter where losing to liverpool instead of bringing in a cherrypicking stricker he brange in cruz. and in the first leg stankovic was playing terrible. he could have brang in figo because inter needed somebody to set up the strickers in the match
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yeah its because inter was trying to stay with their defend-counter attack style that does not work so well against well rounded teams
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give us your opinion tito.
dont you hate it when coaches make bad tactical changes. example when inter where losing to liverpool instead of bringing in a cherrypicking stricker he brange in cruz. and in the first leg stankovic was playing terrible. he could have brang in figo because inter needed somebody to set up the strickers in the match
what he should've done was put on Crespo or Suazo along with Ibrahimovic and play 4-3-2 with one defensive-mid and to wide players and have suazo or crespo abit behind Ibrahimovic. and as for the first leg it wasn't stankovic fault it more luck for Liverpool than anything
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give us your opinion tito.
dont you hate it when coaches make bad tactical changes. example when inter where losing to liverpool instead of bringing in a cherrypicking stricker he brange in cruz. and in the first leg stankovic was playing terrible. he could have brang in figo because inter needed somebody to set up the strickers in the match
what he should've done was put on Crespo or Suazo along with Ibrahimovic and play 4-3-2 with one defensive-mid and to wide players and have suazo or crespo abit behind Ibrahimovic. and as for the first leg it wasn't stankovic fault it more luck for Liverpool than anything
I agree, but inter's coach isnt ready for that much attack yet. He was still hoping to pop in a couple off of counter attacks
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give us your opinion tito.
dont you hate it when coaches make bad tactical changes. example when inter where losing to liverpool instead of bringing in a cherrypicking stricker he brange in cruz. and in the first leg stankovic was playing terrible. he could have brang in figo because inter needed somebody to set up the strickers in the match
what he should've done was put on Crespo or Suazo along with Ibrahimovic and play 4-3-2 with one defensive-mid and to wide players and have suazo or crespo abit behind Ibrahimovic. and as for the first leg it wasn't stankovic fault it more luck for Liverpool than anything
I agree
see i told you i can manage
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yeah its because inter was trying to stay with their defend-counter attack style that does not work so well against well rounded teams
but when they conceded he could have began to play more attaking. you lost the match anyway so why not try to get a goal
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yeah its because inter was trying to stay with their defend-counter attack style that does not work so well against well rounded teams
but when they conceded he could have began to play more attaking. you lost the match anyway so why not try to get a goal
he SHOULD have, but he didnt, because he was hoping his counter attack would work out for him :dontknow:
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yeah its because inter was trying to stay with their defend-counter attack style that does not work so well against well rounded teams
but when they conceded he could have began to play more attaking. you lost the match anyway so why not try to get a goal
and why not concede more :rolleyes:
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yeah its because inter was trying to stay with their defend-counter attack style that does not work so well against well rounded teams
but when they conceded he could have began to play more attaking. you lost the match anyway so why not try to get a goal
and why not concede more :rolleyes:
his point was that they plyed to conservatively from behind and it ended up costing them the game.
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well he already conceded more
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How do you guys think barca should play Man U and vice versa?
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i think Man U will be more defensive seeing they have a crunch match against Chelsea and then the second leg all in 7 days
i think Barca have nothing to play for in the La Liga and will come out with the finger on their trigger and go all out
in all i think the game will finish 0-0 or 1-1, 2 goal will be scored max maybe by one team or 1 each
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I am gonna agree. I think that Man U will play 4-4-2, with at least 1 defensive mid, and barca will play with all attacking mids
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i expect Barca to play 4-3-2-1
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i expect Barca to play 4-3-2-1
which means attacking mids :thumbsup:
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yes with Henry or Eto'o up front and Messi and some other maybe if Henry striker Eto'o playing attacking-mid/Winger
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yes with Henry or Eto'o up front and Messi and some other maybe if Henry striker Eto'o playing attacking-mid/Winger
glad we;re in agreement :cheers:
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lets hope our predictions come true :cheers:
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Manchester is going to win 3-1
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Manchester is going to win 3-1
A10s, this thread is about strategy and tactics, not the score of the Barcelona vs. Man U game. Please don't go off topic any further.
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anyhow...any critiques of Man U's strategy? I predicted this (see earlier posts) but not to this degree. When I said defensive mids, I didnt mean playing as glorified stoppers/fullbacks! What was SAF thinking, playing to draw?! As I said before, Barca needs to make more of the weaving near post-center-far post runs so that they do not keep on playing the ball along the outside of the 18, and finally put a successful ball across the goal.
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I would have liked to have seen Anderson or Hargreaves in the center with Scholes and Carrick. Park on left; Rooney on right; Tevez to the bench. You don't go into the Camp Nou and have a track meet.
Barcelona 4–0 Manchester United
I'm pretty sure that was the scoreline the last time United went to the Camp Nou to play against Barcelona. I'd say that this is an improvement.
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adi is right this thread is about tactics. but i recon that second leg matches should be stopped and away goal rules. they all ruin the sport.
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adi is right this thread is about tactics. but i recon that second leg matches should be stopped and away goal rules. they all ruin the sport.
no they dont Bro, the away goal rule is because its harder for the visitors to play in the house of another team, picture this:
Sao paulo playing against man united in old trafford, the house and visitor goal rule are good rules and should stay that way
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i think in my opinion the the knockout stages and etc should be played in a neutral venue like eg. one country host the toroment.
back to tactics. what players do you like to play more if you were a coach.
either strong attackers that are slow or fast attackers that weak.
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i think in my opinion the the knockout stages and etc should be played in a neutral venue like eg. one country host the toroment.
back to tactics. what players do you like to play more if you were a coach.
either strong attackers that are slow or fast attackers that weak.
fast attackers that are strong, like Rooney or Tevez or back in the day Diego Armando Maradona
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If I was a coach, I'd pair them.
I prefer slow, technical players.
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yeah players than can
1. Move into spaces (positioning)
2. Find players that a in good spaces (vision)
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3. Accurate and powerful shots
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If I was a coach, I'd pair them.
I prefer slow, technical players.
technical in what meaning? if its in like dribbles and stuff like that, then, you cant be a good dribblers without speed, im not the fastest player in the world, but i have a MEAN 20 mts sprint, fastest in my team :biggrin: but i cant keep up a run like that for a long time
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1. I misread the question. It's early. I haven't slept. Different question; same answer.
2. I am partial to unathletic, technical players. Who said anything about dribbling? :dontknow:
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1. I misread the question. It's early. I haven't slept. Different question; same answer.
2. I am partial to unathletic, technical players. Who said anything about dribbling? :dontknow:
technical, in football, usually means a Zidane Type player
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Zidane was an extremely technical player, but it wasn't neccesarily his dribbling that defined him as a technical player.
I was thinking more along the lines of a Paul Scholes, Teddy Sheringham, etc.
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Ilike technical players, but I also require players who can move and play both ends. And the key to a good offence isn't necessarily the speed/skill of every single player ( as long as they are all reasonably skilled/fast), it's the way they work together, and the quality of runs/passes that they make, and how well they move into space and release the ball.
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Yes. Those are fundmentals of the game.
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Related enough:
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haha. check 1:16 true zidane.
technical as in players the set up like zidane, requilme and a bit of kaka
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lol I saw that a while ago. His vision was pretty impressive there.
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this thread has been quiet the success lets keep it rolling
for the second leg of the Man U v Barca
i think AF has risked the EPL for the champions league but i believe it will come back to haunt him cause Barca will go all out with no other silverware for them beside this.
i'm expecting a hot game that'll finish 2-1 to Barca with the same team as last week but the only difference will be United will defend less and pay
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this thread has been quiet the success lets keep it rolling
for the second leg of the Man U v Barca
i think AF has risked the EPL for the champions league but i believe it will come back to haunt him cause Barca will go all out with no other silverware for them beside this.
i'm expecting a hot game that'll finish 2-1 to Barca with the same team as last week but the only difference will be United will defend less and pay
Barca gave it all they had last game. If SAF decides to play offence, and puts Rooney at striker, then the ball posession will be more even because man U will keep it longer. Instead of having 10 men behind the ball, they'll have 8-9. If Barca can penetrate and move more in the box and run to the posts, then it is without a doubt their game because they have the best ability to KEEP the ball out of any club in the world. If Man U wants to win this, they will have to take a lot of fastbreaks with Ronaldo and Rooney, and hope to catch Barca's defence flatfooted so that they can put a few in the net.
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this thread has been quiet the success lets keep it rolling
for the second leg of the Man U v Barca
i think AF has risked the EPL for the champions league but i believe it will come back to haunt him cause Barca will go all out with no other silverware for them beside this.
i'm expecting a hot game that'll finish 2-1 to Barca with the same team as last week but the only difference will be United will defend less and pay
Barca gave it all they had last game. If SAF decides to play offence, and puts Rooney at striker, then the ball posession will be more even because man U will keep it longer. Instead of having 10 men behind the ball, they'll have 8-9. If Barca can penetrate and move more in the box and run to the posts, then it is without a doubt their game because they have the best ability to KEEP the ball out of any club in the world. If Man U wants to win this, they will have to take a lot of fastbreaks with Ronaldo and Rooney, and hope to catch Barca's defence flatfooted so that they can put a few in the net.
agreed but with Vidic out and some other absences in defense it just might be enough for Henry and Co. to hit the back of the net and you did see the impact Henry had when he came on just imagine what he can do when he starts off
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thats true. He had one laser shot. But then again, man U have cristiano Ronaldo, who can take apart a defence single handedly if need be. Both teams are stacked, so I think it comes out to which style comes out triumphant. Without SAF's crap tactics of last leg, man U will play their style, so the game will amount to a clash of styles. Personally, I would like to see more crosses from Barca (my style is short passes then a cross, or overlapping runs down the side then a cross), and I would like to see Man U cut down on the shit through balls and take more short passes.
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man utd will go all out attack but so will barca. i think barca have a better attack and will make better use of chances.
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man utd will go all out attack but so will barca. i think barca have a better attack and will make better use of chances.
no barca's finish sucks because of...read my previous comments...but they will still have majority of ball possesssion
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when you have messi and eto on the feile and hopefully henry things willl be differenet
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well they werent, and my reason was correct. I should take the top job at Nou Camp. :pimp:
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Good discussions here guys!
I think SAF's tactical issues were great today. Had to play without Vida and Rooney but made good decisions. Our corners were very lovely, and Hargreaves was a great decision for right back.
Cheers SAF and my fellows that are off to Moscow! :cheers:
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Nani should always play instead of Rooney
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i know that fat ass is good for nothing
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i know that fat ass is good for nothing
hes good only when he gets to the 18. Nani is just SICK, with good movement on and off the ball. We should start discussing CL finals tactics.
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Wow, :bs:
Do you even know what you're saying? Rooney is so forceful in CL matches, and International, he plays with heart, and I know that doesn't mean you're good, but it makes him play better and more confident in the big stages.
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anyways back on topic...I think Chelsea will play with defensive mids against man U, and SAF will let his attack go wild now that they're on British soil. C. Ronaldo and Nani on he wings.
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It's in Moscow. :dontknow:
Chelsea always plays very strong through the center.
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It's in Moscow. :dontknow:
Chelsea always plays very strong through the center.
lol my bad I forgot for a second there
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i know that fat ass is good for nothing
hes good only when he gets to the 18. Nani is just SICK, with good movement on and off the ball. We should start discussing CL finals tactics.
and Nani is all power and no accuracy when he shoot he does alot and just fucks up in front of goal and a hog too
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i know that fat ass is good for nothing
hes good only when he gets to the 18. Nani is just SICK, with good movement on and off the ball. We should start discussing CL finals tactics.
and Nani is all power and no accuracy when he shoot he does alot and just fucks up in front of goal and a hog too
he has vision and flair and can make the 1 0r 2 big plays that can create goals and change games
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Nani has been poor in the games vs Barcelona and Chelsea.
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Nani is a huge liability in possession. He needs time.
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he should pass more often when near the box
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chelsea is all mid. especially when they have lampard, mouloda, essein etc. i think they can close out c.ronaldo and the wings and hopefully het the ball to drogba and sheva if he plays
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not if Man U's strong central defenders step up like they did against Barca. Man U will use their center mids as connecters to spread out the play to the wings, thereby thinning Chesea's mid and defence.
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WTF was mancini thinking agaisnt ac milan today. he seriously has to goo. this is enough from him.
maicon was frekin injured but he still kept him on.
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thats what happens when tou have too much faith in certain players
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this has gone to far.
mourinho? :bowdown:
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mourinho wasn't afraid to bench players if he saw that they weren't helping the team win. Thats what a good coach should do.
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another question
you only have a budget to buy one star player. either a stricker, midfeilder or defender.
who and why?
i'd say defender. the defence is the beckbone of the team.
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I'd say mid, because a mid can play both, and also controling th misfield is the key to winning a soccer game.
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Defensive Mid would be my choice because DMs control most of the possession and start attacks and defend too
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Defensive Mid would be my choice because DMs control most of the possession and start attacks and defend too
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good choice...a central mid of some sort :thumbsup:
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yeah tito is right on this one didn't think of that.
next question?
your losing a game and your being killed on the wings. besides strenghting your wings what will you do?
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change formation to 5-3-1-2
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2 speedy wing back
3 solid defenders
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change formation to 5-3-1-2
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2 speedy wing back
3 solid defenders
a defensive-mid
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go more central
you dont have a keeper now since you placed 11 players in the field so the opponent can score quite easily with distanceshots
no smart choise tito ;)
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I wouldn't change formation mid-game, Thats stupid. I'd just tell my wingers to play defensively, and push my fullbacks up to cover the opposing wingers' runs from the get-go. Then I'd move a central midfield back to a sweeping position infront of the stopper.
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change formation to 5-3-1-2
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2 speedy wing back
3 solid defenders
a defensive-mid
to free-role mids
a attacking mid
and 2 strikers
go more central
you dont have a keeper now since you placed 11 players in the field so the opponent can score quite easily with distanceshots
no smart choise tito ;)
obviously i don't a keep on the formation i have never seen a formation called 1-4-4-2 the keepers are must and aren't included in the formation
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change formation to 5-3-1-2
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2 speedy wing back
3 solid defenders
a defensive-mid
to free-role mids
a attacking mid
and 2 strikers
go more central
you dont have a keeper now since you placed 11 players in the field so the opponent can score quite easily with distanceshots
no smart choise tito ;)
obviously i don't a keep on the formation i have never seen a formation called 1-4-4-2 the keepers are must and aren't included in the formation
i was just saying that you had 11 players in the field so your formation is impossible, you can only let 10 players play ;)
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sander is right tito,
i would keep my defenders and go totally all out attack down the middle.
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disregard one of the strikers :thumbsup:
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I stick with my plan...mind you...any team I coach would be very strong down the wings, so I wouldn't have that problem. I'd always play 4-3-3 with the stopper pushed up to right behind the center mid, and then have right mid and right wing on the right, and left mid and left wing on the left...and then a striker making a run towards the goal. That allows for very strong wing game, which spreads the ball out, and it also gives me more cross/switch options so that midfielders don't have to play the ball into traffic.
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what ever you guys say there is one undestractable formation good old dimond.
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the mother of all formations
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yeah thats the one I always use...except with the defense in a diamond formation too :cheers:
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WTF?
like?
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thats a bit weird
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and easy to penetrate
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WTF?
like?
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thats a bit weird
nope...:
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where the defense the top or bottom lol its hard to tell :rolleyes:
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bottom...the 1st diamond...and then the mids in a line, although the center would play farther forward/back than the outside mids depending on where the ball is, and the striker would play in front of the wingers
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counter attacks can crumble that formation :nopity:
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counter attacks can crumble that formation :nopity:
no because it is strong in the snter and its fullbacks would ideally be spaced out.
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yeah thats the one I always use...except with the defense in a diamond formation too :cheers:
The defense in a diamond formation? OH NO! I suppose you would play a "stopper" hahahaha. Ok, please tell me by your formation you mean a 3-4-3 with 3 center backs, 4 in midfield and 3 up front. Because if you actually mean playing one center back with two full backs and a player in front of them, then that is a terrible idea and for that to be in response to the mother of all formations is laughable. Name one team in the entire world that plays that formation and I'll buy you a cookie.
TheKingNut....what a legend
P.S Moby, you are a good lad. The 4-4-2 diamond is a good formation. It actually is a formation used by human beings in the world of soccer unlike totallfootball's which is a formation he must have come up with on FIFA 08 or something.
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ive been reading this forum for a few days. this is my first post so i will make it short and to the point. the whole idea of the 5312 is just ridiculous and should be banned for even putting it even if it was just a mistake. also, totalfootball. thats possibly the worst formation i have ever ever seen. EVER.
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dont be decieved because the diamond looks so wide and long...its the same as a 4 defense line, except with one central defender playing slightly ahead of the other. Its been unclear because of the limitations of using dots on a computer screen to illustrate my point. And I like having outside players so that teams can switch the ball alot and play a wide game. I'd use the central midfielder mainly as a connecting piece, although they should make runs through the middle to pick up a cross and back up the striker. I see what you all mean by the defense being easy to penerate, but the solution to that would be to move the outside mids in when they play defense so that the stopper has more support. The wingers would come back a bit too and help control the midfield (ie covering the other team) when the ball is not in our possession. All the teams I've been on play a 4-4-2 formation, except I've noticed that it encourages a lob-and-run style of game, so I think that a 4-3-3 formation would help to bring the ball wide again. That way, the striker would not be going by himself up the middle and waiting for people to overlap him, he'd have two wingers who are always pretty well alongside him so that they can easily overlap him if need be and create triangulation. If anyone sees flaws, point them out please....maybe I could learn something.
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I just don't see this formation being sound enough defensively to be heralded as a great formation that can be used to start a game. Maybe it could be used when chasing a game but it seems a team would get too exposed in the middle of the park and there would be confusion at the back in terms of who would pick up who
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I wrote this on the Spain Euro 08 thread too......
What you are not seeing though is that this formation would not be good for a winger. The full backs would be forced into playing too narrow, making it very hard to play out. In my personal opinion this sort of shape would encourage a more direct style. There are not enough bodies in midfield to pop it around. If the midfield played tight then maybe I could see the team getting hold of it in there but I just don't think a team could play out in this shape.
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I wrote this on the Spain Euro 08 thread too......
What you are not seeing though is that this formation would not be good for a winger. The full backs would be forced into playing too narrow, making it very hard to play out. In my personal opinion this sort of shape would encourage a more direct style. There are not enough bodies in midfield to pop it around. If the midfield played tight then maybe I could see the team getting hold of it in there but I just don't think a team could play out in this shape.
thats a very good point. at our school we play the diond formation and we play out wide alot. almost all our goals came from the wings in our last match.
btw if TF10 you formation was attacked from the wings it could maybe get the two central defenders out of position. then the winger could center it and the attacking midfeilder could rip one in.
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I just don't see this formation being sound enough defensively to be heralded as a great formation that can be used to start a game. Maybe it could be used when chasing a game but it seems a team would get too exposed in the middle of the park and there would be confusion at the back in terms of who would pick up who
yeah you're right there, actually. I've played with this formation alot, and found that it makes for a great crossing game. Since the cross is the best aspect of my game as a player, I can see how many chances it creates. Therefore, if I have a good crosser on my team, I would definitely use this formation. The 4-4-2 doesn't use the corners as much because the wingers are more pulled back. However, I think Moby's formation would also work well in that respect. I understand the weaknesses of the formation. I would need really fit wingers (the ones further up the field) so they could pressure the ball back past the midfield (when we dont have the ball). Then the outside mids would push in to center and support the stopper while the fullbacks would push farther out to scoop the ball off the opposing wingers if our wingers have let people through. The sweeper, of course, would sweep balls away frow across the net and give the fullbacks an angle of support from behind.
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Totalfootball, in all honesty I think you are complicating things far too much. The basis of most teams is a solid, straight back four. Occasionally a back three can work but how often do you see a team start with three center backs in football today? Hardly ever. Almost all teams play a traditional back four, with full backs as the main outlets with which to play through.
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I have a back 4, with 2 fullbacks and 2 centerbacks: a sweeper, and a stopper
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But a sweeper and stopper just doesn't work in modern football
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they do if used properly. They just require active midfielders and forwards who come back past half when the other team has the ball past our half.
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Name one team in the Champions League that plays it. Watch Euro 2008 and see how many teams play it......To save yourself the time, I can tell you now, that no teams will use that defensive shape in the tournament
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the sweeper would have to do more running, but the good thing about the sweep-stop formation is that the fullbacks have support both in front and behind them.
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But teams that play with pace and have strikers with good movement and play off the shoulder would kill it
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thats barring the fact that if the stopper sees fit, he can drop back and lay along side the sweeper. I like an elastic formation with lots of room for quick positional transitions etc
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This shape in defense could work if played with wing backs and but not with the way the midfield is lined up. I fully understand the player in front of the the back three dropping in and becoming a center half but this is how I see it working:
This would be my revised formation:
GK
CB
CB CB
DM
WB/RM CM CM WB/LM
ST ST
If the ball went wide when defending then the CB from that side could go across and the DM (stopper) could fill in the hole thus creating a back four when without the ball. This would take the pressure off the wing backs and allow them to play, for the most part, as wide mids with little defensive duties.
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you just made it a 4-4-2 which would only work in my books if the strikers could also play as wingers and collect balls along the side (at least for the wide style of game that I like)
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I just think your idea is just too attacking for me, I see too many frailties with it
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I am a risk-taker, and I would play offside trap anyways. I know its dangerous, but I would have alot of players in the other team's half pressuring he ball, with the stopper behind them for support
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good descasion guys. currently in mordern football strickers are becoming more fast and stronger. i think a team with out two centre backs can not keep a clean sheet.
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yeah buut they would not be held to a clean sheet either
anyhow...do people think a crossing style of offence is good or bad?
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as the season starts so will the second wind of this thread
so guys what do you think will be the key changes in each league
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i loved this thread
i would love to see the use of a defensive midfeilder more in each league.
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With the diamond formation.
i'd like to see free flowing football and lot of upsets.
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MVB will probably try the 4-2-3-1 with ajax. he played like that with holland on the EC and we won all our matches in the poule with it, before our dutch guus hiddink treated us :down:
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my thread is revived :pimp:
I was watching Atletico Madrid vs. Schalke and I noticed that long balls seemed to be effective for the most part. And I was surprised. In other news, players like Simao kill a teams flow of play.
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simo is a winger right? so long balls to the wing or what?
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yeah, and all that does is get them boxed in corners. But I was referring to how Simao never passes at the right time.
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Quick question: is it better to pressure the ball individually with the entire team pressing, or playing zone and waiting for your moments when the ball is vulnerable?
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with TF10's idea of a sweeper and stop you would need one hell of a defender ( id take Ferdinand) to control the entire team and be a leader
3 guys in the back is only used when marking man-to-man and not zonal. with 3 in the back everything becomes much tighter and static and the 3 CB's must be aware of what the other player is trying to do at all times
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Quick question: is it better to pressure the ball individually with the entire team pressing, or playing zone and waiting for your moments when the ball is vulnerable?
depends what formation ur playing with and how u want to play really offensive/defensive
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i loved this thread
i would love to see the use of a defensive midfielder more in each league.
i think your prayers have been answered
Mikel is killing it you should've seen this show i was watching the performance he put out this season and the clips of his possession in the united game was brilliant
now i know why Chelsea had the transfer war with United for him
the next Makelele and maybe even better
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i had a feeling he would have done great, maybe at a different club but he just seemed to be a good player.
@TF10: i think it would be better to apply pressure by marking out any other player the person can pass to, then that player with the ball is more likely to make a mistake becuase every player he looks at has an opponet on him
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i agree zone is better
the other one leaves too much space for the opponents
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yeah but then if a man gets beat, the other team automatically creates an open man and goes on a fastbreak
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i agree zone is better
the other one leaves too much space for the opponents
i think u mean other way around
zonal is when u give the players a bit of space until he gets the ball then ur on his ass, man-to-man on the other hand is where it is very tight throughout the field and if u dont know where your player is or u arent close to him you're screwed basically
ive played both and i think i farely adept at both and can defend both ways
meh really depends on how you want to play the game
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oh i get it now,
i've always play zonal, like what sule said give the person with the ball assurity he can pass and when he does i try put pressure on him so he can make a mistake,
but that defence can get fucked up with one - two passes
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just wanted to bring this thread back
Boys what league is the most tactical and skillful that you would most like to wacth?
In my opinion its the Seria A. After watching most of the recent games from EPL, La Liga and Seria A i have come to the conclusion that Seria A is best on the eye.
EPL game are just too long balled and predictable after the first 10 minutes you can guess the winner and in some occasion the score too.
La Liga is beautiful football the swift passes, slick one-twos and dribbling is outrageous.
But there is some thing about the Seria A thats is amazing about it. Don't might be the crowds atmosphere, the passion or the determination of all the team and heart of the lower caliber ones.
What do yous think?
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seria a by far
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not questioning you or anything
but why don't make explain and make some points just for the sake of not just saying leagues for teams
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I'd say la liga for the reasons you stated. Serie A definitely has some nice football, but its not as free flowing and flair-conducive as la Liga is. In La Liga, EVERY team plays beautifully.
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dont get enough of the other leagues on my tv to make a decent decision
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dont get enough of the other leagues on my tv to make a decent decision
thats a big issue too the lack of International TV deals leagues other than the EPL have.
like Moby said its awful how those other league are barely screened in countries other then their own
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if yall like watching the italian league that much, you need to watch the argentine league. yes south american leagues are not quite up to par with the european leagues anymore, but the argentine league is probably the most beautiful to the eye still. the league is still a very high level despite slight european superiority. it is one of the most technical leagues i've ever watched. it is mainly short and quick passing, and teams rarely play defensively. the league is also extremely high scoring compared to european league. they have the best atmosphere in the world at their stadiums. fans sing songs for the entire match. you also get a chance to see many of the european stars of the future here.
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Very true i watch highlights when i can the south american leagues are crazy with the skills its kind of like street football with rules. And yes they do produce the star of the future that a point i had several weeks ago about how the south american team are great because they produce alot of talent and their leagues are filled with player of their nationality and the more they sell the more they produce.
so i totally agree with you that their league is best in game play too bad they don't show much of the games too.
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i'm not going to lie..but the french league is amazing. teams like st ettiene, lyon, psg, marseille, etc. all play great soccer. it's no wonder arsenal plays so pretty :thumbsup:
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the french league is quite fun to watch. people just get caught up in the fact that these leagues aren't always as good as the biggest leagues. many leagues like portugal, holland, brasil, colombia, and my favorite argentina are just as fun to watch, because of the way they play. many times the best leagues are the best because their defenses are stronger which causes for less good attacking football. these leagues i mentioned are much more open, and have much better open attacking football which is fun to watch.
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if yall like watching the italian league that much, you need to watch the argentine league. yes south american leagues are not quite up to par with the european leagues anymore, but the argentine league is probably the most beautiful to the eye still. the league is still a very high level despite slight european superiority. it is one of the most technical leagues i've ever watched. it is mainly short and quick passing, and teams rarely play defensively. the league is also extremely high scoring compared to european league. they have the best atmosphere in the world at their stadiums. fans sing songs for the entire match. you also get a chance to see many of the european stars of the future here.
I saw Boca Juniors live versus Barca at Campe Nou....Barca played so much more beautifully...just one example, but still...
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if yall like watching the italian league that much, you need to watch the argentine league. yes south american leagues are not quite up to par with the european leagues anymore, but the argentine league is probably the most beautiful to the eye still. the league is still a very high level despite slight european superiority. it is one of the most technical leagues i've ever watched. it is mainly short and quick passing, and teams rarely play defensively. the league is also extremely high scoring compared to european league. they have the best atmosphere in the world at their stadiums. fans sing songs for the entire match. you also get a chance to see many of the european stars of the future here.
I saw Boca Juniors live versus Barca at Campe Nou....Barca played so much more beautifully...just one example, but still...
a one of game
plus look at the size of the teams
how many players at Barca came from the South American leagues... Messi is just one example, but still...
i can name more:
Dani Alves (Esporte Clube Bahia)
Martín Cáceres (Defensor Sporting)
Rafael Márquez (Atlas de Guadalajara)
Sylvinho (Corinthians)
Gabriel Milito (Argentine first division Independiente)
just a few examples... but still...
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the argentinian league is very very good in football aspects. watching some of the matches on SBS you just think where would they reach in the champs league.
but here we are talking about strategy,
in an interview with mourinho he stated that coach a italian team is nothing like others. he changed tactics around four times in one game and the torino coach changed to stop his tactics, this just shows.
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Serie A has the most effective tactics but the also the most boring tactics.
Even Mourinho has commented that Italy is all about tactics. He has to make 4-5 major tactical changes to his line up throughout one game.
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yea it can almost turn into a chess game between managers with the occasional mistake by a team
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Serie A has the most effective tacticsbut the also the most boring tactics.
Even Mourinho has commented that Italy is all about tactics. He has to make 4-5 major tactical changes to his line up throughout one game.
i've never seen 11 men behind the ball or long ball tactics in the Seria A.
EPL is by far the most boring league they lack flair i'm not saying all teams and all player but i'm saying not enough teams
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yea it can almost turn into a chess game between managers with the occasional mistake by a team
that is true football,
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Tito, do you even watch the English league? I'm sure if we posted a poll on here, most people would say the English league is the most entertaining.
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the problem with the poll is that the premier league is the most televised in the world so most people dont have another league to compare it to.The only reason for this is that it has the most money, so they buy the big players.
the leagues that you like/watch are all down to what type of football you like.
Non-stop running: England
Defensive counter-attacks: Italy
Free-flowing football, yet still fast paced in the final third: Holland/Spain
Blend of attacking and defensive football: Germany
i dont watch enough of any other leagues to make any real conclusion on the style of play but that pretty much sums it up
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I'Tito, do you even watch the English league?
yes about 7 live game each week
the real question is, do you watch the other leagues?
I'm sure if we posted a poll on here, most people would say the English league is the most entertaining.
As Sule said its the most televised and most common.
Now the argument is not whether it is the most watched but is it the most skillful and entertaining league.
As i said i watch the EPL every week not cause i choose to but its that or no football at all. I also watch some live Seria A and La Liga games but like 1 Seria A and 2 La Liga games each week and obviuosly highlights of other league so you can't say i'm in a position to not comment on this.
I respect your opinion but to me EPL isn't the most exciting league.
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EPL being the most exciting is at times a misconception of whats going on
alot of running, alot of hard work. There arent as many, barely even, midfield generals who dictate the game in England. Its more about hard work in the EPL rather than talent and skill (SOMETIMES). The game isnt track, if you know what i mean
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I respect your opinion but to me EPL is the most exciting league.
huh?
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Hahahahaha unpredictable Tito.
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Yeah, I watch other leagues. Every weekend I was games from England, Germany, Spain and Italy. I just prefer the games from England.
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I respect your opinion but to me EPL is the most exciting league.
huh?
my mistake hahaha
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I know your all itching to know what my view on this issue is, I tell my followers to refer back to m earlier chapters
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lol
it is true that the EPL is pretty exciting.
why? because its all attack attack attack, shots from the corner flag and halfway.
i dont call the football.
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EPL is aight; i mean, who wouldn't like to watch Arsenal play Manchester; it always makes a good game. But seriously, looking outside the top teams, sitting down to watch Wigan v Sunderland is rather :bang:
Why? Because they are the definition of the English game; boring, long ball, "work ethic" type soccer that results in boredom and players with no skill running around and tackling mindlessly. What makes the EPL exciting can be summed up in 2 words:
1) Arsenal
2) Scolari
Everything else is shitty. I would much rather watch Spanish teams like Getafe or Zaragoza, because they are filled with skillful talented players that are very passionate about playing a more skill oriented game; bottom line, La Liga is more exciting overall.
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very true
agree with u all the way
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Where are all the EPL crusaders
someone call Borg and his boys lol
Yeah i agree with you Elite
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lol
EPL crusaders, where the hell did u get that from :lol:
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Wow where has Borg been? I hope he hasn't been hiding under a rock since Ronaldo's red card.
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ELITE is right no doubt
la liga rules all...notice how players from the EPL come to spain and don't look as good? Its because the players in Spain are smarter.
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i think transitioning into the EPL is easier than transitioning into La Liga; Robinho and Torres have found settling in quite easy (those who say Robinho hasn't done much, look at the stats; he's 3rd in scoring with 8 goals tied with ronaldo). but i think if you stick frank lampard on barcelona he'd be clueless.
learning how to play a more direct style of soccer is easier than learning how to play a more skill oriented style; that's why i admire wenger because he just knows exactly what type of player will fit into his skill oriented team; nasri, denilson, adebayor, etc.
btw borg is here i saw that nigga posting in the freestyle section.
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ELITE is right no doubt
la liga rules all...notice how players from the EPL come to spain and don't look as good? Its because the players in Spain are smarter.
make a valid argument man with evidence don't just post reckless
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hahahaha
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i think he lost his thesaurus
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i think he lost his thesaurus
:cursing:
I could've sworn it was under my pillow :down:
by the way, I never knew you could find info about soccer ina thesaurus
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no. but you can find words to use that aren't neccessary in an argument :biggrin:
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no. but you can find words to use that aren't neccessary in an argument :biggrin:
be that as it may, I like words...they sound good :biggrin:
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no. but you can find words to use that aren't neccessary in an argument :biggrin:
:lol:
:bowdown: ELITE
hahaha thats fucking classic +1 karma
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no. but you can find words to use that aren't neccessary in an argument :biggrin:
be that as it may, I like words...they sound good :biggrin:
just accept defeat and walk on geek boy
AND RUINING THIS THREAD EVERY TIME IT COMES BACK
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no. but you can find words to use that aren't neccessary in an argument :biggrin:
be that as it may, I like words...they sound good :biggrin:
just accept defeat and walk on geek boy
AND RUINING THIS THREAD EVERY TIME IT COMES BACK
I created this thread, and provided it with some of its more interesting discussions dumbfuck...just look at my arguments with kingnut over soccer strategy
out of curiosity, in Spanish teams vs English teams matchups, which country has the better ecord? I'm, talking about club soccer, of course...
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no. but you can find words to use that aren't neccessary in an argument :biggrin:
be that as it may, I like words...they sound good :biggrin:
just accept defeat and walk on geek boy
AND RUINING THIS THREAD EVERY TIME IT COMES BACK
I created this thread, and provided it with some of its more interesting discussions dumbfuck...just look at my arguments with kingnut over soccer strategy
well that still doesn't give you the right to screw it up at earliest convenience
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no. but you can find words to use that aren't neccessary in an argument :biggrin:
be that as it may, I like words...they sound good :biggrin:
just accept defeat and walk on geek boy
AND RUINING THIS THREAD EVERY TIME IT COMES BACK
I created this thread, and provided it with some of its more interesting discussions dumbfuck...just look at my arguments with kingnut over soccer strategy
well that still doesn't give you the right to screw it up at earliest convenience
when did I screw it up :dontknow:
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each time the thread changes topic from football too your vocab :down:
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each time the thread changes topic from football too your vocab :down:
not my fault...it was none of my doing
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Bullshit its almost always premeditated.
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Bullshit its almost always premeditated.
this time it was ELITE's doing :cursing:
I see there is something of a revolution going on here. Calm yourselves, you dirty, cannibalistic peasants :cursing:
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each time the thread changes topic from football too your vocab :down:
not my fault...it was none of my doing
just back your arguments with evidences from now on kid
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Who has the better League?
Champions League Historical Results: No opinions....Just the Facts!
Number 1 : ITALY (11) wins (14) Runner Up
WINNERS: A.C. Milan (7), Juventus (2), Internazionale (2) RUNNERS UP: Juventus (5), A.C. Milan (4), Internazionale (2), Fiorentina (1), Roma (1), Sampdoria (1)
Number 2 : Spain 11 (wins) 9 (runner ups)
WINNERS: Real Madrid (9), Barcelona (2) RUNNERS UP: Real Madrid (3), Barcelona (3), Valencia (2), Atlético Madrid (1)
Number 3 : England 11 (wins) 5 (runner ups)
WINNERS: Liverpool (5), Manchester United (3), Nottingham Forest (2), Aston Villa (1) RUNNERS UP: Liverpool (2), Leeds United (1), Arsenal (1), Chelsea (1)
Number 4 :Germany 6 (wins) 7 (runner ups)
WINNERS: Bayern Munich (4), Borussia Dortmund (1), Hamburg (1) RUNNERS UP: Bayern Munich (3), Bayer Leverkusen (1), Borussia Mönchengladbach (1), Eintracht Frankfurt (1), Hamburg (1)
In case you need more proof, please log on to : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Champions_League#All-time_top_appearances
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Wow there are only four spanish teams, who were ever in a CL-final.
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Best league atm in terms of quality and players is Premier lge
best league in terms of competitveness throughout the whole division is La Liga or Eredivise
Best league of tactical nouse is Serie A
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Best league in terms of goals is Bundesliga.
At the moment more than 3 goals per match in average.
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not too defensively sound are we :dontknow:
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Is that a testament to the quality of attackers or the lack of skillful, rock solid defenders and keppers
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i wouldn't call the best league the league that has too many or too little goals allowed.
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not too defensively sound are we :dontknow:
hahahahahha lol :cheers:
that made my day
anyway the greatest club to have ever played on the face of the earthis without doubt Real Madrid.
the facts speak for them selves.
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im a big fan of the Bundesliga because anyone can beat anyone.
There is no Big ___ (insert number)
Its all about consistency week in and out to stay at the top
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true that
but look at it this way, clubs like Bayern with all their star player should not be struggling with dortmund or leverkusen
wat u have to say about that? :thumbsup:
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As the Champions League final draw ever closer i can't help but ask what do you think will be the difference strategically between Manchester United and Barcelona
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Man U will clog up the middle and play lots of men back, whereas barca will once again try to penetrate by playing possession along the wings and trying to punch holes via passing or individual skill