Patw, bad trick?

[Andy]

I think it could be a good thing, like running, if you run really fast is that bad for your health? But i cant do patw so I cant really comment.

[SvenF]

I think It is more about the control and timing rather than speed of leg.

I would say it is more speed of the leg than control and timing. Sure timing and control are important as well, but even the freestyle with the best control and timing can't get patw. On the other hand, someone who has the fastest legs will sure get patw.

I think it's more about the timing!!! of course you need speed too, but you need a special  timing on patw! you can't do it like you do latw and then just put on another round, you need to do it different!! I think most of the tricks are about timing and it is really helpful if you have good speed.

Ok, you've done it before, so you have to know. :thumbsup: but without speed/fast legs you can't get patw.

[becs]

I think It is more about the control and timing rather than speed of leg.

I would say it is more speed of the leg than control and timing. Sure timing and control are important as well, but even the freestyle with the best control and timing can't get patw. On the other hand, someone who has the fastest legs will sure get patw.

I think it's more about the timing!!! of course you need speed too, but you need a special  timing on patw! you can't do it like you do latw and then just put on another round, you need to do it different!! I think most of the tricks are about timing and it is really helpful if you have good speed.

Ok, you've done it before, so you have to know. :thumbsup: but without speed/fast legs you can't get patw.

totally agree whit you :thumbsup:

[{++ } Lukas fs {++}]

I think It is more about the control and timing rather than speed of leg.

I would say it is more speed of the leg than control and timing. Sure timing and control are important as well, but even the freestyle with the best control and timing can't get patw. On the other hand, someone who has the fastest legs will sure get patw.

I think it's more about the timing!!! of course you need speed too, but you need a special  timing on patw! you can't do it like you do latw and then just put on another round, you need to do it different!! I think most of the tricks are about timing and it is really helpful if you have good speed.

Ok, you've done it before, so you have to know. :thumbsup: but without speed/fast legs you can't get patw.

exactly, for patw you need a perfect 1st touch, if you haven't a perfect 1st touch, but you have fast leg's, you won't get patw... anyway's, strogness and fast leg's help too, but the key to land patw is the first touch,.....

aclaration  : perfect 1st touch=timing

so In this one I must agree with andrew, but sven isn't 100 % wrong either...because in fact you need speed, but not as much as timing
I almost landed patw, I did it but I coulndt control the ball after it, and my right foot isn't fast and strong because of injury's I allready commented about... And I practiced alot the first touch and to keep eye on the ball and even with my shity leg I landed it...(not control after but I landed it)

So in conclusion, timing is the esential thing, fast legs is secondary
 :cheers:

[Azun]

its easier to get the perfect speed, then perfect timing..

if you have really fast speed, the timing is less imporen(still importen).. and then you can do it more often cause the speed will save you...

[Lenn]

I think It is more about the control and timing rather than speed of leg.

I would say it is more speed of the leg than control and timing. Sure timing and control are important as well, but even the freestyle with the best control and timing can't get patw. On the other hand, someone who has the fastest legs will sure get patw.

I think it's more about the timing!!! of course you need speed too, but you need a special  timing on patw! you can't do it like you do latw and then just put on another round, you need to do it different!! I think most of the tricks are about timing and it is really helpful if you have good speed.

Ok, you've done it before, so you have to know. :thumbsup: but without speed/fast legs you can't get patw.

exactly, for patw you need a perfect 1st touch, if you haven't a perfect 1st touch, but you have fast leg's, you won't get patw... anyway's, strogness and fast leg's help too, but the key to land patw is the first touch,.....

aclaration  : perfect 1st touch=timing

so In this one I must agree with andrew, but sven isn't 100 % wrong either...because in fact you need speed, but not as much as timing
I almost landed patw, I did it but I coulndt control the ball after it, and my right foot isn't fast and strong because of injury's I allready commented about... And I practiced alot the first touch and to keep eye on the ball and even with my shity leg I landed it...(not control after but I landed it)

So in conclusion, timing is the esential thing, fast legs is secondary
 :cheers:

Agree :thumbsup:
but look to the patw from Murilo, that one was the slowest i ever seen :saywhat:

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so i think control is the best thing on patw, 2 is speed and timing

[stefanfreestylez]

I think it's a personal question.
Not everybody have some damage when they have done patw.
But it's better to let people aswer who have done patw
So: come on  :thumbsup:

u never film a clean one 
I have no pain on my knees  :biggrin:

[stefanfreestylez]

I think It is more about the control and timing rather than speed of leg.

I would say it is more speed of the leg than control and timing. Sure timing and control are important as well, but even the freestyle with the best control and timing can't get patw. On the other hand, someone who has the fastest legs will sure get patw.

timing is speed....... 

[ikron]

being tall is an important factor( 5 ''11 ) or so because when ur tall it actually gives u alot of time needed for the 3rd revolution and the 3rd is the hardest revolution as the ball is falling down at a fast pace and so u have lesser time to go around it(lesser time = harder to control the ball as its try to touch it).As murilo did the patw , he did it slow because hes tall and he didnt need to jump that much.for him its mostly about timing and control
but eg for a freestyler like me..im just 5'8.5 the ball is huge for me and i need a high jump to do the patw and speed plays an important part for me,then comes control and timing.

theres a video of me doing the patw in the beginning and it seems so hard because i was already going really fast and i wont lie i have a pretty fast leg with horrible style .I would definitely find it hard to get it as going faster than that is really difficult.

[ikron]

i believe thats one fo the fastest patws...and then theres fx's patws ..they're generally really fast

[Pete]

im surpirsed nobody has mentioned that patw is only bad for your knees but its bad for your style.. rarely is there a really good style patw lets be honest

[ikron]

im surpirsed nobody has mentioned that patw is only bad for your knees but its bad for your style.. rarely is there a really good style patw lets be honest

maybe u mean patw with bad style...dont really think patw spoils style