Life after death after life?

[Tito]

i just think tito, royalfreaky, and moby sound....a bit too robitic and brainwashed to not be worshiping it, to tell you the truth..

why would i lie?

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i just think tito, royalfreaky, and moby sound....a bit too robitic and brainwashed to not be worshiping it, to tell you the truth..

why would i lie?

it's ok, i mean, most or all religious people can't see past what they have faith in.

[L_I_S]

i just think tito, royalfreaky, and moby sound....a bit too robitic and brainwashed to not be worshiping it, to tell you the truth..

why would i lie?

it's ok, i mean, most or all religious people can't see past what they have faith in.

lol, thats the point, having faith in wat u believe in...

worlds stupidest discussion happend in this thread, beliefs vs beliefs, so stupid.

[Tito]

i just think tito, royalfreaky, and moby sound....a bit too robitic and brainwashed to not be worshiping it, to tell you the truth..

why would i lie?

it's ok, i mean, most or all religious people can't see past what they have faith in.

thats the whole meaning of faith

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i just think tito, royalfreaky, and moby sound....a bit too robitic and brainwashed to not be worshiping it, to tell you the truth..

why would i lie?

it's ok, i mean, most or all religious people can't see past what they have faith in.

thats the whole meaning of faith

that's why i said it's ok :thumbsup:

[TheGodEmperor]

wooowwwwwwww I just came back from a three day trip, and some of the shit said in here is absolutely retarded  :lol:

Starting off, everyone who assumes tenets to evolution wrongly (aka jono and tito) clearly knows nothing about the actual facts and have a completely one-sided point of view, thereby rendering anything they say as verbal diarrhea. I mean, I didn't know that people like you even existed  :lol:

@Jono, if you're in 1st year medsci and you still don't understand evolution, then I can understand why our healthcare system is so bad, I mean, god DAYUMMM

I'm fairly sure all the evolution stuff has been covered by ed, so imma move on to the q'uran issues:

a: tito, the q'uran has a whole fuckload of holes in it, just like the bible. In fact, the q'uran is a mishmash of biblical tradition, mysticism, and imperialism, while the bible draws references from such classical works as the Sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh, etc...By nature, every religious text is full of holes, because it's viewpoint is utterly onesided and therefore imperfect. In addition, you say that a god transcends all human understanding, and yet we try to encompass It in a religious text, thereby committing gross anthropmorphism and likening the image of an infinite, eternal godhead figure to the human figure, or to concrete objects that humans can encompass intellectually. Arrogant, much?

Tito, I don't know what you think philosophy is, but it's rational, logical discourse to reach a conclusion. Religion is said to 'transcend' logic. Thus, how can religion be philosophical in any way?

Royalfreak, basically, you're making your own beliefs look stupid, so stop posting. Have you ever been exposed to any culture besides Islamic ones for any length of time in your life? Because you are saying 'my way is THE way' while maikng 'your way' sound like sheer idiocy. You should become a preacher just so people see the stupidity of blind faith.

thats a start...

[Royal Freakiness]

I'm fairly sure all the evolution stuff has been covered by ed, so imma move on to the q'uran issues:

a: tito, the q'uran has a whole fuckload of holes in it, just like the bible. In fact, the q'uran is a mishmash of biblical tradition, mysticism, and imperialism, while the bible draws references from such classical works as the Sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh, etc...By nature, every religious text is full of holes, because it's viewpoint is utterly onesided and therefore imperfect. In addition, you say that a god transcends all human understanding, and yet we try to encompass It in a religious text, thereby committing gross anthropmorphism and likening the image of an infinite, eternal godhead figure to the human figure, or to concrete objects that humans can encompass intellectually. Arrogant, much?

Tito, I don't know what you think philosophy is, but it's rational, logical discourse to reach a conclusion. Religion is said to 'transcend' logic. Thus, how can religion be philosophical in any way?

Royalfreak, basically, you're making your own beliefs look stupid, so stop posting. Have you ever been exposed to any culture besides Islamic ones for any length of time in your life? Because you are saying 'my way is THE way' while maikng 'your way' sound like sheer idiocy. You should become a preacher just so people see the stupidity of blind faith.

thats a start...

firstly, point to me the holes in Qur'an
tell me the wrongs of it
prove to me that it's scientifically wrong
come on, I'm waiting
2ndly, I don't see any problem with saying my way is correct, yours is wrong
or are you trying to say that Christians and Jews say that everyone will go to heaven?
there's only one right path
and that's why a Muslim says he's on the right path by following Islam, and a christian says the same about christianity, and same with a Jew and Judaism
so I see no problem in saying my path is right, yours is wrong
and BTW, I laugh at you, coz you always think you're like the wisest one on here
 :lol:
as if you've studied everything in life
come on, go study about your religion first properly  :thumbsup:
and yes, I have been exposed to many of the other cultures
and many of them, when studied properly from the undistorted part of the religious texts (coz 95% of them were), point out the coming of the last Prophet (Muhammad) and one God.
go read the Vedas of the Hindus, it describes the coming of Prophet Muhammad
talks about his mother, his father, the land where he will be born etc...
you always think Muslims are not learned ppl, like we blindly follow Islam...
there are a lot of Scientists (atheists and others) who while studying science and Islam, reverted to Islam
I'm hoping one day through your studies you'll be like them or at least think differently about us  :thumbsup:

lastly, stop saying that the Qur'an was a copy of the Bible... please just stop, ok.... you have NO proof at all that it was, it's only wishful thinking

[TheGodEmperor]

I'm fairly sure all the evolution stuff has been covered by ed, so imma move on to the q'uran issues:

a: tito, the q'uran has a whole fuckload of holes in it, just like the bible. In fact, the q'uran is a mishmash of biblical tradition, mysticism, and imperialism, while the bible draws references from such classical works as the Sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh, etc...By nature, every religious text is full of holes, because it's viewpoint is utterly onesided and therefore imperfect. In addition, you say that a god transcends all human understanding, and yet we try to encompass It in a religious text, thereby committing gross anthropmorphism and likening the image of an infinite, eternal godhead figure to the human figure, or to concrete objects that humans can encompass intellectually. Arrogant, much?

Tito, I don't know what you think philosophy is, but it's rational, logical discourse to reach a conclusion. Religion is said to 'transcend' logic. Thus, how can religion be philosophical in any way?

Royalfreak, basically, you're making your own beliefs look stupid, so stop posting. Have you ever been exposed to any culture besides Islamic ones for any length of time in your life? Because you are saying 'my way is THE way' while maikng 'your way' sound like sheer idiocy. You should become a preacher just so people see the stupidity of blind faith.

thats a start...

firstly, point to me the holes in Qur'an
tell me the wrongs of it
prove to me that it's scientifically wrong
come on, I'm waiting
2ndly, I don't see any problem with saying my way is correct, yours is wrong
or are you trying to say that Christians and Jews say that everyone will go to heaven?
there's only one right path
and that's why a Muslim says he's on the right path by following Islam, and a christian says the same about christianity, and same with a Jew and Judaism
so I see no problem in saying my path is right, yours is wrong
and BTW, I laugh at you, coz you always think you're like the wisest one on here
 :lol:
as if you've studied everything in life
come on, go study about your religion first properly  :thumbsup:
and yes, I have been exposed to many of the other cultures
and many of them, when studied properly from the undistorted part of the religious texts (coz 95% of them were), point out the coming of the last Prophet (Muhammad) and one God.
go read the Vedas of the Hindus, it describes the coming of Prophet Muhammad
talks about his mother, his father, the land where he will be born etc...
you always think Muslims are not learned ppl, like we blindly follow Islam...
there are a lot of Scientists (atheists and others) who while studying science and Islam, reverted to Islam
I'm hoping one day through your studies you'll be like them or at least think differently about us  :thumbsup:

lastly, stop saying that the Qur'an was a copy of the Bible... please just stop, ok.... you have NO proof at all that it was, it's only wishful thinking

dude did you even read my post? Thats not at all what I said...but I'll address your points as if it were, because you're a retard

Unfortunately, I don't have a q'uran on hand, but I can tell you right off the bat that the whole notion of intelligent design is scientifically incorrect. I never said that only muslims say that their way is THE way, but in this thread, it happens to be Muslims who are saying it. If a Jew said it, I'd react in the exact same way, which I have in the past. From what you've shown hare so far, all you've done is been fed line upon line upon line of religious pseudo-interpretation, and you've taken it as truth without question. My study of religion (which, especially within the context of my own and christianity has been quite extensive) is infused with a healthy dosage of doubt so as to head off side effect of blind faith and being like you.

 :lol: @ your usage of 'undistorted.' I mean, if you meant to say 'distorted' then it would've sounded half-logical...I mean, if I were to study a text using contextually invalid and shoddy literary technique, I could conclude that each text shows that christ was a lecher, but theres no point in that, because anybody with half a brain and a knowledge of context and literary theory can see that such interpretation is groundless.

I never said that all Muslims are blind. I think YOU are blind. In fact, I lean towards the conclusion that all religious people are blind, although I've found a few exceptions...

I never said the q'uran was a copy of the bible, I said that it was influenced by the bible, which is only natural...look the figures of Abraham and Ishmael, look at the monotheistic similarities, look at the similarities in food laws...both are legitimate, and great, although flawed texts, written by some of the greatest minds oin human history, but they are both unworthy of human worship.

[Royal Freakiness]

dude did you even read my post? Thats not at all what I said...but I'll address your points as if it were, because you're a retard

Unfortunately, I don't have a q'uran on hand, but I can tell you right off the bat that the whole notion of intelligent design is scientifically incorrect. I never said that only muslims say that their way is THE way, but in this thread, it happens to be Muslims who are saying it. If a Jew said it, I'd react in the exact same way, which I have in the past. From what you've shown hare so far, all you've done is been fed line upon line upon line of religious pseudo-interpretation, and you've taken it as truth without question. My study of religion (which, especially within the context of my own and christianity has been quite extensive) is infused with a healthy dosage of doubt so as to head off side effect of blind faith and being like you.

 :lol: @ your usage of 'undistorted.' I mean, if you meant to say 'distorted' then it would've sounded half-logical...I mean, if I were to study a text using contextually invalid and shoddy literary technique, I could conclude that each text shows that christ was a lecher, but theres no point in that, because anybody with half a brain and a knowledge of context and literary theory can see that such interpretation is groundless.

I never said that all Muslims are blind. I think YOU are blind. In fact, I lean towards the conclusion that all religious people are blind, although I've found a few exceptions...

I never said the q'uran was a copy of the bible, I said that it was influenced by the bible, which is only natural...look the figures of Abraham and Ishmael, look at the monotheistic similarities, look at the similarities in food laws...both are legitimate, and great, although flawed texts, written by some of the greatest minds oin human history, but they are both unworthy of human worship.

you still say it was written by Muhammad and his companions....  :booty:
and who the eff said we worship the book!???
 :cursing:
how am I blind?
read this again
"and many of them, when studied properly from the undistorted part of the religious texts (coz 95% of them were)"
can't you understand it?
many of the text were distorted, and the ones that weren't point out proofs of One true God and the coming of Prophet Muhammad and talks about the ten commandments etc
those weren't distorted and were original text sent down by God
Qur'an was the only one that wasn't changed at all, and it will stay as it is, as Allah promised

[TheGodEmperor]

dude did you even read my post? Thats not at all what I said...but I'll address your points as if it were, because you're a retard

Unfortunately, I don't have a q'uran on hand, but I can tell you right off the bat that the whole notion of intelligent design is scientifically incorrect. I never said that only muslims say that their way is THE way, but in this thread, it happens to be Muslims who are saying it. If a Jew said it, I'd react in the exact same way, which I have in the past. From what you've shown hare so far, all you've done is been fed line upon line upon line of religious pseudo-interpretation, and you've taken it as truth without question. My study of religion (which, especially within the context of my own and christianity has been quite extensive) is infused with a healthy dosage of doubt so as to head off side effect of blind faith and being like you.

 :lol: @ your usage of 'undistorted.' I mean, if you meant to say 'distorted' then it would've sounded half-logical...I mean, if I were to study a text using contextually invalid and shoddy literary technique, I could conclude that each text shows that christ was a lecher, but theres no point in that, because anybody with half a brain and a knowledge of context and literary theory can see that such interpretation is groundless.

I never said that all Muslims are blind. I think YOU are blind. In fact, I lean towards the conclusion that all religious people are blind, although I've found a few exceptions...

I never said the q'uran was a copy of the bible, I said that it was influenced by the bible, which is only natural...look the figures of Abraham and Ishmael, look at the monotheistic similarities, look at the similarities in food laws...both are legitimate, and great, although flawed texts, written by some of the greatest minds oin human history, but they are both unworthy of human worship.

you still say it was written by Muhammad and his companions....  :booty:
and who the eff said we worship the book!???
 :cursing:
how am I blind?
read this again
"and many of them, when studied properly from the undistorted part of the religious texts (coz 95% of them were)"
can't you understand it?
many of the text were distorted, and the ones that weren't point out proofs of One true God and the coming of Prophet Muhammad and talks about the ten commandments etc
those weren't distorted and were original text sent down by God
Qur'an was the only one that wasn't changed at all, and it will stay as it is, as Allah promised

so many assumptions

does allah exist? And I'm saying the these texts were contextually misinterpreted...

also, all of these texts were written by people, so unless they logically prove something, they are essentially valueless to everyone except for people like you who feel the need to mold everything to their narrow worldview

[Royal Freakiness]

dude did you even read my post? Thats not at all what I said...but I'll address your points as if it were, because you're a retard

Unfortunately, I don't have a q'uran on hand, but I can tell you right off the bat that the whole notion of intelligent design is scientifically incorrect. I never said that only muslims say that their way is THE way, but in this thread, it happens to be Muslims who are saying it. If a Jew said it, I'd react in the exact same way, which I have in the past. From what you've shown hare so far, all you've done is been fed line upon line upon line of religious pseudo-interpretation, and you've taken it as truth without question. My study of religion (which, especially within the context of my own and christianity has been quite extensive) is infused with a healthy dosage of doubt so as to head off side effect of blind faith and being like you.

 :lol: @ your usage of 'undistorted.' I mean, if you meant to say 'distorted' then it would've sounded half-logical...I mean, if I were to study a text using contextually invalid and shoddy literary technique, I could conclude that each text shows that christ was a lecher, but theres no point in that, because anybody with half a brain and a knowledge of context and literary theory can see that such interpretation is groundless.

I never said that all Muslims are blind. I think YOU are blind. In fact, I lean towards the conclusion that all religious people are blind, although I've found a few exceptions...

I never said the q'uran was a copy of the bible, I said that it was influenced by the bible, which is only natural...look the figures of Abraham and Ishmael, look at the monotheistic similarities, look at the similarities in food laws...both are legitimate, and great, although flawed texts, written by some of the greatest minds oin human history, but they are both unworthy of human worship.

you still say it was written by Muhammad and his companions....  :booty:
and who the eff said we worship the book!???
 :cursing:
how am I blind?
read this again
"and many of them, when studied properly from the undistorted part of the religious texts (coz 95% of them were)"
can't you understand it?
many of the text were distorted, and the ones that weren't point out proofs of One true God and the coming of Prophet Muhammad and talks about the ten commandments etc
those weren't distorted and were original text sent down by God
Qur'an was the only one that wasn't changed at all, and it will stay as it is, as Allah promised

so many assumptions

does allah exist? And I'm saying the these texts were contextually misinterpreted...

also, all of these texts were written by people, so unless they logically prove something, they are essentially valueless to everyone except for people like you who feel the need to mold everything to their narrow worldview

I don't "assume" that Allah exists, or that the Qur'an is the Word of God
I know that they are true
that's what faith is all about
there is no room for doubt
and don't tell me this is blind following
there's a lot of proof in the Qur'an and Hadith of the Prophet to believe that what I'm following is true

[cigar omar]

wooowwwwwwww I just came back from a three day trip, and some of the shit said in here is absolutely retarded  :lol:

Starting off, everyone who assumes tenets to evolution wrongly (aka jono and tito) clearly knows nothing about the actual facts and have a completely one-sided point of view, thereby rendering anything they say as verbal diarrhea. I mean, I didn't know that people like you even existed  :lol:

@Jono, if you're in 1st year medsci and you still don't understand evolution, then I can understand why our healthcare system is so bad, I mean, god DAYUMMM

I'm fairly sure all the evolution stuff has been covered by ed, so imma move on to the q'uran issues:

a: tito, the q'uran has a whole fuckload of holes in it, just like the bible. In fact, the q'uran is a mishmash of biblical tradition, mysticism, and imperialism, while the bible draws references from such classical works as the Sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh, etc...By nature, every religious text is full of holes, because it's viewpoint is utterly onesided and therefore imperfect. In addition, you say that a god transcends all human understanding, and yet we try to encompass It in a religious text, thereby committing gross anthropmorphism and likening the image of an infinite, eternal godhead figure to the human figure, or to concrete objects that humans can encompass intellectually. Arrogant, much?

Tito, I don't know what you think philosophy is, but it's rational, logical discourse to reach a conclusion. Religion is said to 'transcend' logic. Thus, how can religion be philosophical in any way?

Royalfreak, basically, you're making your own beliefs look stupid, so stop posting. Have you ever been exposed to any culture besides Islamic ones for any length of time in your life? Because you are saying 'my way is THE way' while maikng 'your way' sound like sheer idiocy. You should become a preacher just so people see the stupidity of blind faith.

thats a start...

Oh now your playing a dangerous game. Go on clever boy show me a single hole. I challenge you.