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Re: There is no God
« Reply #24 on: Jan 11, 2009, 11:13: AM »
my personal belief is that god is the entirety of reality and the universe and existence of everything itself.  they are not seperate, and god is not a seperate higher being that created it.

if god is everywhere at the same time at all times, this only makes sense to me.

it's an imperfect and flawed belief, but then again every other belief out there is also just that.  the only thing that makes timeless sense, i believe, is what bruce lee said.

"Truth has no path. Truth is living and, therefore, changing." - Bruce Lee
no offence to Bruce Lee but this is a cliche: If Truth is constantly changing then we cannot ever know for more than a point in time. Following that logic, we can't know if truth is changing, and we can't know that we can't know, etc..it's an eternal progression of ignorance, which is a fairly bleak view for humanity, and which refutes any statement either you, or I, or Bruce Lee ever made.

My philosophy is rooted in language. Maybe later I'll do a copy paste of my thought, but my philosophical musings, sadly, are on another computer. So until then, you'll have to wait.
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Re: There is no God
« Reply #25 on: Jan 11, 2009, 11:22: AM »
my personal belief is that god is the entirety of reality and the universe and existence of everything itself.  they are not seperate, and god is not a seperate higher being that created it.

if god is everywhere at the same time at all times, this only makes sense to me.

it's an imperfect and flawed belief, but then again every other belief out there is also just that.  the only thing that makes timeless sense, i believe, is what bruce lee said.

"Truth has no path. Truth is living and, therefore, changing." - Bruce Lee
no offence to Bruce Lee but this is a cliche: If Truth is constantly changing then we cannot ever know for more than a point in time. Following that logic, we can't know if truth is changing, and we can't know that we can't know, etc..it's an eternal progression of ignorance, which is a fairly bleak view for humanity, and which refutes any statement either you, or I, or Bruce Lee ever made.

My philosophy is rooted in language. Maybe later I'll do a copy paste of my thought, but my philosophical musings, sadly, are on another computer. So until then, you'll have to wait.

but that's just the thing man.  he believes in things being dynamic, constantly living, breathing, changing, and never one solid stiff static thing.

everything is a never ending process, a progression.  it's not bleak, it's quite the exact opposite of that actually!
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Re: There is no God
« Reply #26 on: Jan 11, 2009, 11:31: AM »
my personal belief is that god is the entirety of reality and the universe and existence of everything itself.  they are not seperate, and god is not a seperate higher being that created it.

if god is everywhere at the same time at all times, this only makes sense to me.

it's an imperfect and flawed belief, but then again every other belief out there is also just that.  the only thing that makes timeless sense, i believe, is what bruce lee said.

"Truth has no path. Truth is living and, therefore, changing." - Bruce Lee
no offence to Bruce Lee but this is a cliche: If Truth is constantly changing then we cannot ever know for more than a point in time. Following that logic, we can't know if truth is changing, and we can't know that we can't know, etc..it's an eternal progression of ignorance, which is a fairly bleak view for humanity, and which refutes any statement either you, or I, or Bruce Lee ever made.

My philosophy is rooted in language. Maybe later I'll do a copy paste of my thought, but my philosophical musings, sadly, are on another computer. So until then, you'll have to wait.

but that's just the thing man.  he believes in things being dynamic, constantly living, breathing, changing, and never one solid stiff static thing.

everything is a never ending process, a progression.  it's not bleak, it's quite the exact opposite of that actually!
That had nothing to do with what I just said. The implications of my logical conclusion are as follow:

1) we can never realize that we are hanging
2) we cannot be self-aware
3) we cannot understand the past
4) we are unaware that we are unaware
5) our thoughts travel in a self-contradictory path and render themselves pointless
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Re: There is no God
« Reply #27 on: Jan 11, 2009, 11:33: AM »
my personal belief is that god is the entirety of reality and the universe and existence of everything itself.  they are not seperate, and god is not a seperate higher being that created it.

if god is everywhere at the same time at all times, this only makes sense to me.

it's an imperfect and flawed belief, but then again every other belief out there is also just that.  the only thing that makes timeless sense, i believe, is what bruce lee said.

"Truth has no path. Truth is living and, therefore, changing." - Bruce Lee
no offence to Bruce Lee but this is a cliche: If Truth is constantly changing then we cannot ever know for more than a point in time. Following that logic, we can't know if truth is changing, and we can't know that we can't know, etc..it's an eternal progression of ignorance, which is a fairly bleak view for humanity, and which refutes any statement either you, or I, or Bruce Lee ever made.

My philosophy is rooted in language. Maybe later I'll do a copy paste of my thought, but my philosophical musings, sadly, are on another computer. So until then, you'll have to wait.

but that's just the thing man.  he believes in things being dynamic, constantly living, breathing, changing, and never one solid stiff static thing.

everything is a never ending process, a progression.  it's not bleak, it's quite the exact opposite of that actually!
That had nothing to do with what I just said. The implications of my logical conclusion are as follow:

1) we can never realize that we are hanging
2) we cannot be self-aware
3) we cannot understand the past
4) we are unaware that we are unaware
5) our thoughts travel in a self-contradictory path and render themselves pointless

u shud do a bit more research first.  this is the entire quote if you must know, which you do.

"Truth has no path. Truth is living and, therefore, changing. Awareness is without choice, without demand, without anxiety; in that state of mind, there is perception. To know oneself is to study oneself in action with another person. Awareness has no frontier; it is giving of your whole being, without exclusion." - Bruce Lee

it's something that spawned from and is somewhat based on martial arts, but i think it can easily extend far beyond that and apply to a LOT of different things as well.
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Re: There is no God
« Reply #28 on: Jan 11, 2009, 11:36: AM »
my personal belief is that god is the entirety of reality and the universe and existence of everything itself.  they are not seperate, and god is not a seperate higher being that created it.

if god is everywhere at the same time at all times, this only makes sense to me.

it's an imperfect and flawed belief, but then again every other belief out there is also just that.  the only thing that makes timeless sense, i believe, is what bruce lee said.

"Truth has no path. Truth is living and, therefore, changing." - Bruce Lee
no offence to Bruce Lee but this is a cliche: If Truth is constantly changing then we cannot ever know for more than a point in time. Following that logic, we can't know if truth is changing, and we can't know that we can't know, etc..it's an eternal progression of ignorance, which is a fairly bleak view for humanity, and which refutes any statement either you, or I, or Bruce Lee ever made.

My philosophy is rooted in language. Maybe later I'll do a copy paste of my thought, but my philosophical musings, sadly, are on another computer. So until then, you'll have to wait.

but that's just the thing man.  he believes in things being dynamic, constantly living, breathing, changing, and never one solid stiff static thing.

everything is a never ending process, a progression.  it's not bleak, it's quite the exact opposite of that actually!
That had nothing to do with what I just said. The implications of my logical conclusion are as follow:

1) we can never realize that we are hanging
2) we cannot be self-aware
3) we cannot understand the past
4) we are unaware that we are unaware
5) our thoughts travel in a self-contradictory path and render themselves pointless

u shud do a bit more research first.  this is the entire quote if you must know, which you do.

"Truth has no path. Truth is living and, therefore, changing. Awareness is without choice, without demand, without anxiety; in that state of mind, there is perception. To know oneself is to study oneself in action with another person. Awareness has no frontier; it is giving of your whole being, without exclusion." - Bruce Lee
Thats all well and good, and a beautiful vision. But. Mr. Lee has made several transgressions in informal logic which I hope he backs up. He has used a few loaded terms which need to be defined in order to validate the argument:
Truth, awareness, choice, anxiety, state, mind, perception, awareness, being.
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Re: There is no God
« Reply #29 on: Jan 11, 2009, 11:47: AM »
Religion = industry.

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Re: There is no God
« Reply #30 on: Jan 11, 2009, 11:49: AM »
Religion=industry=war

Bruce Lee , by the way, is an atheist!

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Re: There is no God
« Reply #31 on: Jan 11, 2009, 11:50: AM »
my personal belief is that god is the entirety of reality and the universe and existence of everything itself.  they are not seperate, and god is not a seperate higher being that created it.

if god is everywhere at the same time at all times, this only makes sense to me.

it's an imperfect and flawed belief, but then again every other belief out there is also just that.  the only thing that makes timeless sense, i believe, is what bruce lee said.

"Truth has no path. Truth is living and, therefore, changing." - Bruce Lee
no offence to Bruce Lee but this is a cliche: If Truth is constantly changing then we cannot ever know for more than a point in time. Following that logic, we can't know if truth is changing, and we can't know that we can't know, etc..it's an eternal progression of ignorance, which is a fairly bleak view for humanity, and which refutes any statement either you, or I, or Bruce Lee ever made.

My philosophy is rooted in language. Maybe later I'll do a copy paste of my thought, but my philosophical musings, sadly, are on another computer. So until then, you'll have to wait.

but that's just the thing man.  he believes in things being dynamic, constantly living, breathing, changing, and never one solid stiff static thing.

everything is a never ending process, a progression.  it's not bleak, it's quite the exact opposite of that actually!
That had nothing to do with what I just said. The implications of my logical conclusion are as follow:

1) we can never realize that we are hanging
2) we cannot be self-aware
3) we cannot understand the past
4) we are unaware that we are unaware
5) our thoughts travel in a self-contradictory path and render themselves pointless

u shud do a bit more research first.  this is the entire quote if you must know, which you do.

"Truth has no path. Truth is living and, therefore, changing. Awareness is without choice, without demand, without anxiety; in that state of mind, there is perception. To know oneself is to study oneself in action with another person. Awareness has no frontier; it is giving of your whole being, without exclusion." - Bruce Lee
Thats all well and good, and a beautiful vision. But. Mr. Lee has made several transgressions in informal logic which I hope he backs up. He has used a few loaded terms which need to be defined in order to validate the argument:
Truth, awareness, choice, anxiety, state, mind, perception, awareness, being.

dude ur being way too much of a robot about this.  allow ur mind the flexibility man.  this doesn't have to be talking about one specific narrowed down topic or thing.  he may have, but i don't know that and i've interpreted it for myself the way it makes most sense to me.  and as i've said before, this is more of a quote on the martial arts side, but interpreted in the correct ways, i believe it can apply easily to a lot of other different things.
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Re: There is no God
« Reply #32 on: Jan 11, 2009, 11:52: AM »
It should be your decision to whether you believe in god or not. If somebody does believe they shouldn't go to such major extents to convincing people that what they believe in is true (Not going to state any religions here) If somebody does not believe in god or such faith that is there own opinion and they shouldn't be forced to convert or attacked,tortured,burnt on a stake etc, I personally believe in god through christianity but I am not going to convince somebody to share the same beliefs as me solely for showing respect for their own personal beliefs. Peace to all, and if there is no god to you jatt, respect for you anyway because its YOUR opinion.
It's all for the sake of argument. Nobody is going to get converted on a soccer freestyle forum. Arguing stuff like this is fun.
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Re: There is no God
« Reply #33 on: Jan 11, 2009, 11:54: AM »
Religion=industry=war

Bruce Lee , by the way, is an atheist!

he didn't believe in god in the traditional sense of the word, within organized religions.  he was still a spiritual human being.
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Re: There is no God
« Reply #34 on: Jan 11, 2009, 11:54: AM »
It should be your decision to whether you believe in god or not. If somebody does believe they shouldn't go to such major extents to convincing people that what they believe in is true (Not going to state any religions here) If somebody does not believe in god or such faith that is there own opinion and they shouldn't be forced to convert or attacked,tortured,burnt on a stake etc, I personally believe in god through christianity but I am not going to convince somebody to share the same beliefs as me solely for showing respect for their own personal beliefs. Peace to all, and if there is no god to you jatt, respect for you anyway because its YOUR opinion.
It's all for the sake of argument. Nobody is going to get converted on a soccer freestyle forum. Arguing stuff like this is fun.

it so is.  and if anybody does get converted off this site, i'd feel sorry for them hahahaha
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Re: There is no God
« Reply #35 on: Jan 11, 2009, 11:57: AM »
my personal belief is that god is the entirety of reality and the universe and existence of everything itself.  they are not seperate, and god is not a seperate higher being that created it.

if god is everywhere at the same time at all times, this only makes sense to me.

it's an imperfect and flawed belief, but then again every other belief out there is also just that.  the only thing that makes timeless sense, i believe, is what bruce lee said.

"Truth has no path. Truth is living and, therefore, changing." - Bruce Lee
no offence to Bruce Lee but this is a cliche: If Truth is constantly changing then we cannot ever know for more than a point in time. Following that logic, we can't know if truth is changing, and we can't know that we can't know, etc..it's an eternal progression of ignorance, which is a fairly bleak view for humanity, and which refutes any statement either you, or I, or Bruce Lee ever made.

My philosophy is rooted in language. Maybe later I'll do a copy paste of my thought, but my philosophical musings, sadly, are on another computer. So until then, you'll have to wait.

but that's just the thing man.  he believes in things being dynamic, constantly living, breathing, changing, and never one solid stiff static thing.

everything is a never ending process, a progression.  it's not bleak, it's quite the exact opposite of that actually!
That had nothing to do with what I just said. The implications of my logical conclusion are as follow:

1) we can never realize that we are hanging
2) we cannot be self-aware
3) we cannot understand the past
4) we are unaware that we are unaware
5) our thoughts travel in a self-contradictory path and render themselves pointless

u shud do a bit more research first.  this is the entire quote if you must know, which you do.

"Truth has no path. Truth is living and, therefore, changing. Awareness is without choice, without demand, without anxiety; in that state of mind, there is perception. To know oneself is to study oneself in action with another person. Awareness has no frontier; it is giving of your whole being, without exclusion." - Bruce Lee
Thats all well and good, and a beautiful vision. But. Mr. Lee has made several transgressions in informal logic which I hope he backs up. He has used a few loaded terms which need to be defined in order to validate the argument:
Truth, awareness, choice, anxiety, state, mind, perception, awareness, being.

dude ur being way too much of a robot about this.  allow ur mind the flexibility man.  this doesn't have to be talking about one specific narrowed down topic or thing.  he may have, but i don't know that and i've interpreted it for myself the way it makes most sense to me.  and as i've said before, this is more of a quote on the martial arts side, but interpreted in the correct ways, i believe it can apply easily to a lot of other different things.
Well of course, but logic is the basis of philosophy, so if I'm gonna pick apart a statement philosophically, I'm gonna do it right. This was his philosophy behind Jeet Kune Do, am I right?
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