Usama Bin Laden

[cigar omar]

TF10 I'm not even going to argue with you about Israel being an offender of human rights, because its all clear, if you can't see it, then what can I say. Talking about Israel never initiating violence? No need to watch the news to know that Israel is fucked up, how many years has this been going on for. I'll tell you 60 years.

Yes you are a hypocrite because you support the occupation of another peoples land and the killing and displacement of innocent people. But you denounce the Taliban? if you want to denounce injustice denounce it altogether. Don't support it on one end and denounce it on the other.

Its not a debatable issue. Israel is wrong flat out case closed.

You not even worth it, a 15 year old thats been pumped up with so much pro Israeli propaganda. Lmao at Hamas using innocent people as human shields how counter productive is that, they want to regain their land but they are killing their own people at the same time (doesn't make much sense).   

A) Who says that I can't denounce that Taliban and not be called a hypocrite? Am I Israeli? Do I live in Israel?

You say this and in your next paragraph you defend Israel. 

Cut the crap man.

[TheGodEmperor]

Just because I'm not I sraeli doesn't mean I can't defend Israel

Also, I don't support alot that Israel has done: putting settlements in the Gaza strip was just wrong, and the effects of it have still not been remedied. The fence was wrong: it created all kinds of bad feelings. After giving up the Gaza Strip, the Israeli government gave money for more settlements -- are they that stupid/thoughtless? The people is the settlements are radical, religious Jews. It is really those people who are at fault. Not the Palestinians (in general), not the Israeli military, but the dumbass ultra-orthodox Jews. That goes to show that radical religion of any sort, muslim, christian, or Jewish is bound for trouble and often violence of some sort. More to come, but I have to go to school...

[cigar omar]

Its not about settlements its not about radicals or religion. The problem is that it shouldn't say Israel on the map. It should say Palestine and it should be 100% owned and run by Palestinians the way it did before 1948. Its like Palestinians lets say going to Germany for example and saying this is our land now, we own it because we used to live here 2000 years ago, and the whole world supports it. Until its gone there can be no compromise. 

Simple.

[Adi]

That's the one thing that I don't like about Israel. It wasn't their land and they took it from the Palestinians. Of course Israel won't initiate much when they are sitting on someone else's land. The Palestinians have a reason to initiate things because they want their land back. If the US wasn't on Israel's side, this situation would have taken care of itself a long time ago. Instead, the US and Israel will be in a never-ending war.

I hope I'm not wrong with all that I've said. I don't know too much about the situation but I'm sticking to the basics. It comes down to the fact that the Palestinians were kicked off their land. I have some Israeli friends who spoke with me about this and they have their own thoughts. I don't remember what they said to me but it seems that both sides have their own story about who's land it really is. So who's land is it really? The way I see it the Palestinians got kicked off by the Israelis and Americans and since then the US has been backing and protecting the land for Israel.

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TF10 I'm not even going to argue with you about Israel being an offender of human rights, because its all clear, if you can't see it, then what can I say. Talking about Israel never initiating violence? No need to watch the news to know that Israel is fucked up, how many years has this been going on for. I'll tell you 60 years.

Yes you are a hypocrite because you support the occupation of another peoples land and the killing and displacement of innocent people. But you denounce the Taliban? if you want to denounce injustice denounce it altogether. Don't support it on one end and denounce it on the other.

Its not a debatable issue. Israel is wrong flat out case closed.

You not even worth it, a 15 year old thats been pumped up with so much pro Israeli propaganda. Lmao at Hamas using innocent people as human shields how counter productive is that, they want to regain their land but they are killing their own people at the same time (doesn't make much sense).   

A) Who says that I can't denounce that Taliban and not be called a hypocrite? Am I Israeli? Do I live in Israel?

You say this and in your next paragraph you defend Israel. 

Cut the crap man.

I'm not going to agree or disagree with you, but it seems to me that if you could pull up some facts, articles, etc. then your argument will probably be stronger. And you won't be told to go and read a book, etc. Your points, like Adi said, stick to the basics; overcomplicating things will always kill an argument.

[Royal Freakiness]

after palestinians are extinct, jordan, lebanon, and syria are next. and the US will send troops and repeat Iraq. then later, the rest of the neighboring lands are next. it's not just the land ok? it's the jews controlling Israel that want the Muslims out of the scene.  :boxing:

[a;sdlfkjas;df]

after palestinians are extinct, jordan, lebanon, and syria are next. and the US will send troops and repeat Iraq. then later, the rest of the neighboring lands are next. it's not just the land ok? it's the jews controlling Israel that want the Muslims out of the scene.

what are you saying here?  the us (by association) wants to destory islam?

 :lol:

[TheGodEmperor]

after palestinians are extinct, jordan, lebanon, and syria are next. and the US will send troops and repeat Iraq. then later, the rest of the neighboring lands are next. it's not just the land ok? it's the jews controlling Israel that want the Muslims out of the scene.  :boxing:

that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard...
because A) there is no backing or proof and B) that harkens back to the age old jewish stereotypes, which simply means that you're a fucking antisemite and if I met you face to face, there would be fists thrown

it seems as though alot of you are just as biased against Israel as I am biased for Israel, if not more...

many of you are muslim (Royasfreakiness, cigar omar....if I'm not mistaken) and are therefore just as 'indoctrinated' as I am by the inevitable views of your own religion.

cigar omar, how can you say that Israel shouldn't exist, given what the Jews had been through 3 years before its creation. Remember that a third of their population had been exterminated, and their homes had been taken by the civilians. They had nowhere to go...the only ones that were relatively unaffected were the ones in North America and THE FAIRLY LARGE POPULATION THAT ALREADY INHABITED THAT AREAS IN ISRAEL...and given the hatred/dislike I've seen for my people/misunderstanding of the issues, I think the Jews need Israel if they don't want a second Holocaust. I mean look at Ahmadinejad, he clearly wants to nuke the shit out of Israel just because it contains Jews. Furthermore, it isn't all Israel's fault that the Palestinians are living in refugee camps: Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon wouldn't take them in, they just left them there. Israel offered them a place in their society, and many accepted...more declined. Look how many genocides the Jews have suffered in their history. I'll list a few: the conquest of Israel by Nebuchadnezzar in 600 bc, the first crusade's attempted extermination of Europe's Jews, the Spanish Inquisition, the Portuguese Inquisition, and the Holocaust to name a few. Thats not to mention all the countries that have expelled us simple because we only believe in the Old Testament. Now compare that with the suffering of the palestinians -- suffering that Israel tried to assuage...to no avail.

and now for my final point: cigar omar, you very rightly pointed out the 'tides of history' argument. The Jews were in Israel a couple thousand years ago. They were driven out, case closed. Then the muslims were in Israel...the Christians conquered it, then got driven back. Israel became Muslim land once again. Then the Jews came back in 1948 and conquered it back again. In 1967, in a conflict called the six day war, 4-6 (I forget the actual number) of muslim nations tried to reconquer Israel. Israel held out, and then ended it in six days. As I said, thats the tides of history for ya. Deal with it. By all rights, North America and Australia should belong to the aboriginal people, etc...

Why did this even come up? Weren't we talking about Osama Bin Laden, the Taliban, and JFK for some reason?

[a;sdlfkjas;df]

after palestinians are extinct, jordan, lebanon, and syria are next. and the US will send troops and repeat Iraq. then later, the rest of the neighboring lands are next. it's not just the land ok? it's the jews controlling Israel that want the Muslims out of the scene.

what are you saying here?  the us (by association) wants to destory islam?

 :lol:

i would like to expand on this and the war in iraq.  we aren't going to sit on iraq for the rest of eternity.  we don't want to, and it doesn't go over very well with the american public (which would, in my opinion, describe a lot of the outrage among the american public).  we like to solve our problem and get the fuck out of there (very, very simplified)

[moby]

after palestinians are extinct, jordan, lebanon, and syria are next. and the US will send troops and repeat Iraq. then later, the rest of the neighboring lands are next. it's not just the land ok? it's the jews controlling Israel that want the Muslims out of the scene.

what are you saying here?  the us (by association) wants to destory islam?

 :lol:

i would like to expand on this and the war in iraq.  we aren't going to sit on iraq for the rest of eternity.  we don't want to, and it doesn't go over very well with the american public (which would, in my opinion, describe a lot of the outrage among the american public).  we like to solve our problem and get the fuck out of there (very, very simplified)

whats the problem that needs to be solved?


@ TF10: jews exterminated?

not even 1,000,000 rotting corpses were found so how can you say exterminated.

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WMD :rockit:

[cigar omar]

after palestinians are extinct, jordan, lebanon, and syria are next. and the US will send troops and repeat Iraq. then later, the rest of the neighboring lands are next. it's not just the land ok? it's the jews controlling Israel that want the Muslims out of the scene.  :boxing:

that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard...
because A) there is no backing or proof and B) that harkens back to the age old jewish stereotypes, which simply means that you're a fucking antisemite and if I met you face to face, there would be fists thrown

it seems as though alot of you are just as biased against Israel as I am biased for Israel, if not more...

many of you are muslim (Royasfreakiness, cigar omar....if I'm not mistaken) and are therefore just as 'indoctrinated' as I am by the inevitable views of your own religion.

cigar omar, how can you say that Israel shouldn't exist, given what the Jews had been through 3 years before its creation. Remember that a third of their population had been exterminated, and their homes had been taken by the civilians. They had nowhere to go...the only ones that were relatively unaffected were the ones in North America and THE FAIRLY LARGE POPULATION THAT ALREADY INHABITED THAT AREAS IN ISRAEL...and given the hatred/dislike I've seen for my people/misunderstanding of the issues, I think the Jews need Israel if they don't want a second Holocaust. I mean look at Ahmadinejad, he clearly wants to nuke the shit out of Israel just because it contains Jews. Furthermore, it isn't all Israel's fault that the Palestinians are living in refugee camps: Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon wouldn't take them in, they just left them there. Israel offered them a place in their society, and many accepted...more declined. Look how many genocides the Jews have suffered in their history. I'll list a few: the conquest of Israel by Nebuchadnezzar in 600 bc, the first crusade's attempted extermination of Europe's Jews, the Spanish Inquisition, the Portuguese Inquisition, and the Holocaust to name a few. Thats not to mention all the countries that have expelled us simple because we only believe in the Old Testament. Now compare that with the suffering of the palestinians -- suffering that Israel tried to assuage...to no avail.

and now for my final point: cigar omar, you very rightly pointed out the 'tides of history' argument. The Jews were in Israel a couple thousand years ago. They were driven out, case closed. Then the muslims were in Israel...the Christians conquered it, then got driven back. Israel became Muslim land once again. Then the Jews came back in 1948 and conquered it back again. In 1967, in a conflict called the six day war, 4-6 (I forget the actual number) of muslim nations tried to reconquer Israel. Israel held out, and then ended it in six days. As I said, thats the tides of history for ya. Deal with it. By all rights, North America and Australia should belong to the aboriginal people, etc...

Why did this even come up? Weren't we talking about Osama Bin Laden, the Taliban, and JFK for some reason?

What they have been through 3 years before? That happened in Europe. What does it have to do with the Palestinian situation and the displacement of people from their land? Using the Holocaust (if it did happen the way you say it did) as a justification to do what ever is wrong. Its like saying American Indians have the right to do what ever because they have been through hard times.

Again your looking for sympathy thats pathetic. Ahmadinajad never said anything about nuking Israel because of Jews. He said the state of Israel shouldn't exist and rightly so. Stop distorting the truth and making it seem like its Jews vs antisemetics. Thats cowardly. Again its got nothing to do with race or religion.

This business of trying to use Jews suffering of a thousand years ago and in Germany is not a justification for what Israel has been doing for 60 years.

Plus you can't compare 1948 to events that took place thousands or hundreds of years ago, the UN and global laws exist. Japan can't come into Australia and claim it.

We have already been through this in another thread and every time you come with these lame excuses and justifications. Go back to that thread and read those arguemnts.

I didn't ask you for a history lesson kid, I knew these things when you where still in elementary.

I'll tell you how it came up I exposed you for the hypocrite that you are.

Your not even worth arguing with because your just going over the same Israeli propaganda, I get enough of that on Fox news so STFU.

 

I'm not going to agree or disagree with you, but it seems to me that if you could pull up some facts, articles, etc. then your argument will probably be stronger. And you won't be told to go and read a book, etc. Your points, like Adi said, stick to the basics; overcomplicating things will always kill an argument.

The facts are right there in the open Israel has been occupying Palestine for 60 years. I don't need an article to tell you that its obvious.

What do you mean told to read a book? The kid is pathetic, hes going over the same load of crap over and over, please go to the other thread and look back.

It can't get anymore basic than it is.