Which should I go with

[cigar omar]

I was walking around today and walked into the wrong building turned out it was a Gym/ some kind of Dojo. In a secluded type place like Rockey I was about to just turn around and walk out. Than I bumped into an old buddy of mine asked him what he was doing in there he was like I train here, laughed at him and clowned him for a bit than sat down and started watching these cats go at it.

At first these dudes where wrestling each other grappling, locking and getting on the ground sweating all over each other looked kind of homo erotic, I was laughing at dukes. Than I realized after about 40 seconds every fight goes to the ground even on the street and the ground is where the ones that know what to do win it. I talked with the trainer and he was telling me that he offers Brazilian Jujitsu, Muya Thai, Wrestling and Boxing ect. I'm personally a big boxing fan always wanted to do boxing all my fighting methods what I've learned and observed from boxing. Brazilian Jujitsu looks kinda gay tho but I know its probably the most effective, wouldn't mind trying Muya Thai and Wrestling is probably pretty much out of the question.

Interestingly enough the night before that I got into a pretty messy street fight with some fool but couldn't finish him off due to lack of sharpness, stamina and fatigue. My ducking, dodging and blocking of his punches where excellent and I was connecting him with some heavy ones but I couldn't follow up with combinations and knock him out. In the end I a fight I could have easily won turned out a very messy one. Right now I feel sorry for the next person I get into a fight with I'm cuz definitely gonna be on some bloodsport shit.

I'm thinking of joining up and doing Muya Thai and BJJ on different nights of the week or Just concentrate on boxing alone. I'm a bit unsure yet.  Any ideas for those of you who might train already which one is probably the most effective or the best.

[AznMagic]

what are ur goals for getting into this shit?

sport fighting? (as in, doing this only for the ring/octagon/cage)
practical street fighting and/or self defence? (as in, anything goes street shit)
health, fitness and conditioning?
for fun?
discipline or tradition? (which is probably what ur not goin fer considering the styles u've mentioned)

i can suggest a few of the best types for whatever ur interested in if u tell me wut u want out of this.

ps
on the streets the last thing u wanna do is go to the ground.  in a single takedown alone the fight could be over because of a very hard concrete or asphalt surface, or because of any number of possible foreign objects that could be lying about (ie. shards of broken glass).
plus, while it may be useful to learn BJJ or wrestling techniques, in the streets, anything goes.  and when anything goes, it's not exactly the best idea to WANT to get closer to him and wrestle around with a guy on the ground.  there are any number of things he can do such as using a weapon, fish hooking, grabbing a chunk of flesh, grabbing ur trachea, poking out ur eyes, grabbing or striking ur groin, downward elbows or rabbit punches, or he could even bite you.  BJJ prevails in UFC because all those things are outlawed.  in the streets, it can still work but you have to be MUCH smarter about it.

[Sule]

w/e floats ur boat  :thumbsup:

[G-Man]

ill give u a fight melbourne  :boxing: , u shud see my guns, i took gold in wrestling lst year at the........ paralympics  :lol:

[AznMagic]

here's my take on each of the arts, BJJ, MT, wrestling and boxing.

BJJ
good for sports fighting, because of the reasons outlined above.  it can get you VERY fit as mostly all BJJ practitioners are excellent athletes.  useful ground tactics and sometimes even in a standing fight it can be good to know the types of chokes and holds they teach.  but u don't want this as a primary fighting style when street fighting.  only as something to support ur skills on the side.

muay thai
one of the best striking styles.  a lot of power, and will get u really fit and conditioned.  the punching may be slightly weak, but u learn elbows, knees, and kicks very well.  it's also good cuz u'll learn to fight in a clinch which can be useful for practical fighting.  but again, this is a ring sport 99% of the times.  if u want to learn practical street fighting, this can be definitely useful but there are better ways.  remember, there is no honour on the streets.

wrestling
very good for learning takedowns and how to gain an advantageous position on the ground.  there is a lack of finishing maneuvers tho.  i've seen a grappling match between a BJJ guy and a wrestling guy at my martial arts club, and the wrestling guy took him down and had him pinned.  the BJJ guy went straight into a guard.  the wrestling guy had no idea how to finish him off.  again it's very good for sport, for getting fit and conditioned, and some useful grappling skills, but nothing beyond that if u really wanna learn how to fight.  something to complement ur skills, not to be ur primary style... unless of course u love wrestling in which case go all out.  same goes for anything else here.

boxing
teaches u great punching, movement, footwork, and etc.  but the problem is u only learn punching skills.  a boxer is a boxer, not a fighter.  an average kickboxer could easily take out a good boxer... altho a good kickboxer would lose to an average boxer in a boxing match.  again, something to complement ur overall techniques but not to be the one and only main thing.

if u wanna be an average sport fighter, go to that place and take a buncha things at once.
if u wanna be really good, i suggest u go to specialized schools where they only teach BJJ or only teach MT or etc., and get good at each individually and branch out from there.  most MMA places that teach all those things at once, don't ever teach properly.  it's more like a fitness gym that teaches u a few tricks and u get to have a protein shake afterwards... not good for beginners.
if u wanna be a good fighter on the streets, u can still go with this but i suggest u take a look at different options.

[jonte]

Boxing is obviously the best type for beating a fucker on the street. But might not be the funnest to practise.

[AznMagic]

Boxing is obviously the best type for beating a fucker on the street. But might not be the funnest to practise.

boxers are boxers, not fighters.  consider this... they only use their arms.  not only that, there's no grappling, only striking.  not only that, they only use their hands (no elbows).  not only that, they can only punch (no palm strikes, finger jabs, or any other number of hand techniques.  there are COUNTLESS techniques involving the hands).  and not only that, they are always separated if they get into a clinch.  not only that, they only fight from the waist up.  not only that, u can't fight a guy who gets to the ground.

and nowadays, martial arts and mixed martial arts is becoming more and more popular all the time.  chances are, more ppl will know how to fight in different styles.  if u only box and come up against a fucker who's an average wing chun practitioner for example, ur fucked.

[Sule]

id go for kickboxing

[TheGodEmperor]

Owen4ever makes some astute points. One thing I wqould think about is doing japanese style karate/grappling because it is very versatile and can be a merger into other styles like muy thai and bjj. I've done 8 years of karate-do and judo and I've learned loads of useful strikes and takedowns. If you're a reflexes-quickness kind of fighter as opposed to a brute strength fighter, I would recommend a combination of the aforementioned styles. I've learned both submission and finishing, so, although Judo may be less effective a grappling style than bjj, it still suffices. Furthermore, judo focusses more on throws, which would tend to end a fight in the street as owen pointed out. Just some stuff to think about.

[AznMagic]

Owen4ever makes some astute points. One thing I wqould think about is doing japanese style karate/grappling because it is very versatile and can be a merger into other styles like muy thai and bjj. I've done 8 years of karate-do and judo and I've learned loads of useful strikes and takedowns. If you're a reflexes-quickness kind of fighter as opposed to a brute strength fighter, I would recommend a combination of the aforementioned styles. I've learned both submission and finishing, so, although Judo may be less effective a grappling style than bjj, it still suffices. Furthermore, judo focusses more on throws, which would tend to end a fight in the street as owen pointed out. Just some stuff to think about.

i'm personally not a big fan of karate.  it depends on the dojo.  some places will teach very well but 90% of the karate i see out there is the typical community centre karate for kids with a white guy that doesn't kno shit running the class just because he's maybe 1st or 2nd degree black belt.  that really gives me a negative outlook on this but i do admit, if u find the right dojo to train in, it can be very good.

but for practical street fighting i think i'd prefer to learn some things along the lines of krav maga, wing chun, hapkido, jeet kune do, and etc.

[a;sdlfkjas;df]

muay thai.  go to a few bjj classes.

remember that you will be held to a much higher legal standard as a "trained fighter."

but for practical street fighting i think i'd prefer to learn some things along the lines of krav maga, wing chun, hapkido, jeet kune do, and etc.

that's not practical for "melbourne"

[cigar omar]

what are ur goals for getting into this shit?

sport fighting? (as in, doing this only for the ring/octagon/cage)
practical street fighting and/or self defence? (as in, anything goes street shit)
health, fitness and conditioning?
for fun?
discipline or tradition? (which is probably what ur not goin fer considering the styles u've mentioned)

i can suggest a few of the best types for whatever ur interested in if u tell me wut u want out of this.

ps
on the streets the last thing u wanna do is go to the ground.  in a single takedown alone the fight could be over because of a very hard concrete or asphalt surface, or because of any number of possible foreign objects that could be lying about (ie. shards of broken glass).
plus, while it may be useful to learn BJJ or wrestling techniques, in the streets, anything goes.  and when anything goes, it's not exactly the best idea to WANT to get closer to him and wrestle around with a guy on the ground.  there are any number of things he can do such as using a weapon, fish hooking, grabbing a chunk of flesh, grabbing ur trachea, poking out ur eyes, grabbing or striking ur groin, downward elbows or rabbit punches, or he could even bite you.  BJJ prevails in UFC because all those things are outlawed.  in the streets, it can still work but you have to be MUCH smarter about it.

My goals are pretty much all of the above except sports fighting like going in the ring. What I meant by all fights go to the ground is that they go to the ground unintentionally if you have fought many fights you would realize that some one will slip and grab the other down with him, you end up grappling or head locking and boom you on the ground or sometimes who ever is getting overwhelmed with almost always go to ground and the other will come down with him. It happens all the time its not that you want it to happen.

I've seem those street fighting courses where they teach people 'dirty' tactics its not for beginners, unless you've already got a solid back ground in some kind of martial art such as MT or BJJ ect you can't just scratch some one or kick them in the groin you have to know how to counter certain things or follow up otherwise you will only infuriate your opponent more. Where as when you've already done BJJ you can get them in a lock straight away and have them screaming for mercy.

As I've stated before I'd probably go in for MT and BJJ where I can have an equal amount of strikes as well as grapples, locks and ground work in my arsenal.

muay thai.  go to a few bjj classes.

remember that you will be held to a much higher legal standard as a "trained fighter."

No one really has to know your a trained fighter. Also the advantage with BJJ is that if you do hurt someone in a street fight and there was a camera or a witness there, lets say your opponent ends up with a broken arm you can say 'it happened as we rolled on the floor or he might have hurt himself'. Because most of these lawyers, prosecutors, victims and people in the court wouldn't generally know what an arm bar is they can't prove you did it. Where as if you where to hurt someone with a punch or kick it would be much more obvious.