Who is the most legendary freestyler?

[Royal Freakiness]

lol, we are talking about freestylers... I don't care what the outside community thinks about the fsers on the list.
Palle is the most legendary fser on the list. He revolutionized fs. He changed it from being just another hobby or just another way of entertaining people who enjoy football. He made fs moves actually fs moves, not just "football tricks" as Mr. Woo did.

For me, the top 3 on this list would be Palle, Touzani, and then Mr. Woo.

[Emil Nissen]

  u really said it right, completely agree!

[Onas]

No way Mr. Woo is more legendary than Palle.

I, on the other hand, understand people mentioning Skora, because he pushed the limits so far that its hard even for people like Akim to create new moves and do something that hasnt been done before (when we talk about lowers), but then legendary freestylers in other areas like uppers and sits should also be mentioned.

I dislike Mr. Woo, I hate his blonde hair haha and I hate some of his decisions when he was a judge in RBSS. I admit he had a great significance in freestyle history, but to me it looks like he has almost no impact on what freestyle is today.

But Im not biased when I say Palle is the unquestionable winner here. I can imagine people forgetting Mr. Woo in 2150, but if you think about it, there is practically no way Palle could be forgotten/his name could be deleted from freestyle history, unless freestyle as we know it disappeared completely.

EDIT:
Now when I see Touzani in the poll, I dont even know why I chose Palle over him lol. Although I still believe Palle is the most legendary freestyler. When people will ask "who was the first one (who was really the first one) to do LATW, AATW, PATW, first Beck move, JATW, HMATW, AHMATW, AHTATW, first real no touch combo... You know what the answer is gonna be.
And even though Touzani has some videos with the best footballers at that time (Ronaldinho) and has a big name in street style/freestyle unrelated community, he hasnt had such an impact on fs development imo (I heard he actually wasnt the first one to do TATW), so Palle is the winner for me <3

[L_I_S]

lol, we are talking about freestylers... I don't care what the outside community thinks about the fsers on the list.
Palle is the most legendary fser on the list. He revolutionized fs. He changed it from being just another hobby or just another way of entertaining people who enjoy football. He made fs moves actually fs moves, not just "football tricks" as Mr. Woo did.

Couldn't have said it better myself.
Mr.Woo probably held freestyle back with his football tricks. I'm sure if non freestylers knew about Palle from the beginning there would be a lot less 'can you do that on a pitch' comments.

[redsforlife]

Couldn't have said it better myself.
Mr.Woo probably held freestyle back with his football tricks. I'm sure if non freestylers knew about Palle from the beginning there would be a lot less 'can you do that on a pitch' comments.

Wow, this is a ridiculous statement. He held freestyle back.

How exactly would knowing about Palle reduce that? Mr. Woo played  professional football. That is irrelevant to his freestyle legacy, but I'm not sure why someone in his early days being mainly lowers based would caused people to say "can you do it on the pitch?" less. If anything, Mr. Woo's style is the most directly translated to football. Whether you like it or not, he was the first big time freestyler, and he was also the first great freestyle performer. His freestyle performances were top class. No one can argue with that. I don't like every style of freestyle, but I'm not going to be ignorant about it like that.

Outside the community matters for legendary status just like it would for any sport. Non-football fans here in the US know who Lionel Mess is. If  that's not increasing his legendary status, I'm not sure what will. This entire separating freestyle world from the real world is silly. We all live in the real world, and we all freestyle. I don't see why we need to separate.

Onas- In no particular order, I'd have my top 4 Mr. Woo, Abdullah, Touzani, and Palle. Mr. Woo and Abdullah were the oldschool pioneers that paved the way for freestyle to exist and be popular. Without them, I strongly doubt freestyle would be where it is today. Both of them were extremely creative, and I'd say they may have invented more tricks than any other freestylers. That may mainly be from them being two of the first freestylers. Whether you like the tricks is irrelevant. It's still extremely impressive. I actually disagreed with many of the selections by Mr. Woo in RBSS. I disagreed with all the judges with exception of Palle on his criteria during RBSS. On Mr. Woo's impact on freestyle today, do many freestylers still use many of his tricks(sole juggles, heel juggles, shin juggles, etc.)? He invented several tricks still used today. Whether the modern freestylers realize they are using his trick is irrelevant just like it's irrelevant when you use a dribbling move on the football pitch whether you realize who did the move first. He still has a huge impact on the modern game.

Palle and Touzani were two of the pioneers on the more modern style of freestyle. Now, it's arguable that their more recent influences are stronger to most freestylers. I can see that point. I'd understand you choosing them over Mr. Woo or Abdullah. Anyways, we are all biased to a point. I know I am to a point, but I try to give a fair opinion.

5th place for me must go to Tsatsulow for that one video. I remember everyone I knew football or freestyle knew this video. It was  huge. For a very long time, most people seemed to think he was the best freestyler in the world.

[Adi]

 

The comment by L_I_S about Mr. Woo just wasn't right.

[Onas]

Jason:
Now to be honest, Ive never been a fan of him, so I dont know all the moves he invented. But ok, I would agree with your top 4 list and also agree that Tatsulow is also one of the most legendary freestylers. Without seeing his video, I wouldnt probably even start freestyle. Would love to meet him in the future.

I disagree on the irrevelance of people knowing who invented which trick/which type of juggling. If Mr. Woo invented 50% of all freestyle moves yet nobody would know who Mr. Woo is, do you think he still should be considered a legend?

[redsforlife]

Jason:
Now to be honest, Ive never been a fan of him, so I dont know all the moves he invented. But ok, I would agree with your top 4 list and also agree that Tatsulow is also one of the most legendary freestylers. Without seeing his video, I wouldnt probably even start freestyle. Would love to meet him in the future.

I disagree on the irrevelance of people knowing who invented which trick/which type of juggling. If Mr. Woo invented 50% of all freestyle moves yet nobody would know who Mr. Woo is, do you think he still should be considered a legend?

Cuz the person they saw doing it got it from Mr. Woo. Mr. Woo probably invented more tricks than any other freestyler. It is largely because he was one of the first freestylers, but still, it's impressive. The fact that many people are still doing the moves that he invented  shows how large his influence on freestyle still is.

You don't have to like his style. You are entitled to your own opinion just like I am to my opinion.

[Damiano]

Palle for sure
outside of the fs community lots of people know john farnworth and sean and touzani
but more importantly in the community, palle touzani abdullah have been the most legendary (without abdullah, where would sd's be!)
i don't mr woo has made more moves than any other fser lol 

[redsforlife]

Palle for sure
outside of the fs community lots of people know john farnworth and sean and touzani
but more importantly in the community, palle touzani abdullah have been the most legendary (without abdullah, where would sd's be!)
i don't mr woo has made more moves than any other fser lol 

What freestyler has invented more? Most freestylers haven't invented any. Mr. Woo was the first to do many different tricks. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant.

[L_I_S]

Wow, this is a ridiculous statement. He held freestyle back.

How exactly would knowing about Palle reduce that? Mr. Woo played  professional football. That is irrelevant to his freestyle legacy, but I'm not sure why someone in his early days being mainly lowers based would caused people to say "can you do it on the pitch?" less. If anything, Mr. Woo's style is the most directly translated to football. Whether you like it or not, he was the first big time freestyler, and he was also the first great freestyle performer. His freestyle performances were top class. No one can argue with that. I don't like every style of freestyle, but I'm not going to be ignorant about it like that.

Outside the community matters for legendary status just like it would for any sport. Non-football fans here in the US know who Lionel Mess is. If  that's not increasing his legendary status, I'm not sure what will. This entire separating freestyle world from the real world is silly. We all live in the real world, and we all freestyle. I don't see why we need to separate.

By holding freestyle back in a sense that there was no distinction between football tricks and football freestyle moves.
I watched a probably 3-5 Mr.Woo videos before I even tried freestyling and watched them again after I could freestyle, in all clips it just seemed like he was juggling, which I didn't find impressive then, nor when I was a beginner. The best thing I can recall was the air sitting juggles which required a lot of strength and very little freestyle ability.
Maybe I've missed some of his crazy freestyle videos. I've seen him in motg, freestyling at a train station(I think it was a station), on a field(I can't remember the rest). All times he was just juggling, over his head, with the side of his feet etc. He was very consistent but I knew two guys that could do the majority of the juggles just not all together in a show sense or as consistent.
I highlighted my main point.

A legend to people who are not freestylers is separate from the legend of freestylers. They will never fully understand what certain freestylers have done for freestyle. I'd also like to point out that being well known is not the same as being a legend. Making freestyle well known also shouldn't come into play.

[redsforlife]

By holding freestyle back in a sense that there was no distinction between football tricks and football freestyle moves.
I watched a probably 3-5 Mr.Woo videos before I even tried freestyling and watched them again after I could freestyle, in all clips it just seemed like he was juggling, which I didn't find impressive then, nor when I was a beginner. The best thing I can recall was the air sitting juggles which required a lot of strength and very little freestyle ability.
Maybe I've missed some of his crazy freestyle videos. I've seen him in motg, freestyling at a train station(I think it was a station), on a field(I can't remember the rest). All times he was just juggling, over his head, with the side of his feet etc. He was very consistent but I knew two guys that could do the majority of the juggles just not all together in a show sense or as consistent.
I highlighted my main point.

A legend to people who are not freestylers is separate from the legend of freestylers. They will never fully understand what certain freestylers have done for freestyle. I'd also like to point out that being well known is not the same as being a legend. Making freestyle well known also shouldn't come into play.

There is no distinction between football juggling and freestyle. If you are doing freestyle football, you are football juggling. If you are football juggling without restrictions, you are freestyling. Making a distinction is just silly.f

I've said it before, you don't have to like his style, but you do need to recognize the importance he had on freestyle. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, so you don't have to like him. I don't like many freestylers.

Touch and control are the two main things in his style. Yes, if you aren't as interested in that, it can get boring. The thing is, it does matter. I hate it when people just say I don't care how good his touch and control are. He has the best touch and control I've ever seen on a football. I've never seen anyone control the ball as well as he.

Mr. Woo was about performances. It's not really a fair comparison with many freestylers, because he didn't make these edited videos where he did the hardest thing possible. He made the best routines possible that he could be consistent. He still did several amazing things.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPqb-4FQnC4

For me, this is still among the best freestyle LPs of all time. Very few freestylers can make better routines. You may not like the style, but the skill involved is masterful.