Why do some Freestylers insist certain styles are not Freestyle?

[redsforlife]

This is a topic that I know several people feel strongly about one way or another. Freestyle football is the art of being free with a football. This meaning you are free to do what you please with a football in your freestyle performance. Now, there have been several popular styles of freestyle and some not as popular styles. This popularity of particular styles has lead to some claiming certain styles are not freestyle. The most common styles to be claimed as not being freestyle are typically old school juggling and acrobatic styles. Now, I have my own opinions on the types of freestyle I like, but they are all freestyle to me. It's the art of being free to do what you please with a football, so the number of styles is infinite. If anyone else would like to express their view on either side, please feel free.

[JonKonik]

bc they get all pissy mad that they spent 10 years in their moms basement trying to do patwhatwzatw and vagina atw and then when they step out to do a performance or battle they drop it 100 times and get owned by Sean, Billy wingrove and Dan Mcghee.

[redsforlife]

I actually respect the freestylers that have mastered the incredibly difficult lowers tricks and combos. It takes much practice and talent to do these tricks. The problem is that some people don't realize it takes just as much practice and talent to do tricks of other styles. The difference is in the focus, not which style is more difficult. I also hate when I hear people claim you say that, because you can't do a lowers combo. Well, most of these guys can't do  the other tricks, so it goes both ways. We should just learn to enjoy what we like and at least be respectful to people that do things differently.

[JonKonik]

exactly

[L_I_S]

I actually respect the freestylers that have mastered the incredibly difficult lowers tricks and combos. It takes much practice and talent to do these tricks. The problem is that some people don't realize it takes just as much practice and talent to do tricks of other styles. The difference is in the focus, not which style is more difficult. I also hate when I hear people claim you say that, because you can't do a lowers combo. Well, most of these guys can't do  the other tricks, so it goes both ways. We should just learn to enjoy what we like and at least be respectful to people that do things differently.

What style are you referring too? If you're referring to Billy's "style" I'm going to have to pull your head out of your ass. It doesn't take more than a few months to perfect what he can do and then repeat it 200 times in shows. Just imagine if your arsenal consisted of contact moves, juggling and moves that you learn as a beginner and you trained that exclusively for 6 months. Firstly, fucking boring to do. Secondly, incredibly easy to master if you get past the boredom.
That applies to other freestylers that have limited themselves to less than 10 moves.

[redsforlife]

What style are you referring too? If you're referring to Billy's "style" I'm going to have to pull your head out of your ass. It doesn't take more than a few months to perfect what he can do and then repeat it 200 times in shows. Just imagine if your arsenal consisted of contact moves, juggling and moves that you learn as a beginner and you trained that exclusively for 6 months. Firstly, fucking boring to do. Secondly, incredibly easy to master if you get past the boredom.
That applies to other freestylers that have limited themselves to less than 10 moves.

For starters, why is Billy Wingrove's style the first you mention? I don't hate him like many freestylers, but I know he isn't exactly the best. He's still better than many freestylers that make fun of him.

I'm talking more about freestylers like Abdellah, Mr. Woo, Sean, Abbas, Tokura, etc. For me to claim it takes just as much time, they must be doing something somewhat impressive. The idea for this thread actually came from a thread in the video section called Peru Champion Interview I believe. Example of a very solid freestyler, not world class by any means, but he is definitely very solid. A member expressed how he wasn't a freestyler, but he was a football juggler.

[L_I_S]

I wanted to make sure you weren't talking about him...at the end of the day it's just learning a few basics and then mastering them which is no where near the same difficulty and does not take as much time or talent.

[vittoleon]

Its because a ton of freestylers are still kids and they cant accept that people dont think their style (being hardcore usually) is HARDER AND BETTER AND MORE DIFFICULT. They think they should get more creds for doing tricks that are qualified as harder eventho their overall level might be lower than the other person. 

[Emil Nissen]

For starters, why is Billy Wingrove's style the first you mention? I don't hate him like many freestylers, but I know he isn't exactly the best. He's still better than many freestylers that make fun of him.

I'm talking more about freestylers like Abdellah, Mr. Woo, Sean, Abbas, Tokura, etc. For me to claim it takes just as much time, they must be doing something somewhat impressive. The idea for this thread actually came from a thread in the video section called Peru Champion Interview I believe. Example of a very solid freestyler, not world class by any means, but he is definitely very solid. A member expressed how he wasn't a freestyler, but he was a football juggler.

i dont really understand why you mention those 3...arent they some of the most respected freestylers in their own kind of style? i think people know that tokura, sean or abbas' tricks are hard as fuck...and i  disagree with u reds, if u say that the stuff Mr. Woo does is just as hard as, for example, hardcore lowers. Of course, mr. woo has great control and stuff and its not that i dont respect him, but it takes much much more time to be good at traditional lowers or sean-style etc. same with billy wingrove for that matter

[redsforlife]

i dont really understand why you mention those 3...arent they some of the most respected freestylers in their own kind of style? i think people know that tokura, sean or abbas' tricks are hard as fuck...and i  disagree with u reds, if u say that the stuff Mr. Woo does is just as hard as, for example, hardcore lowers. Of course, mr. woo has great control and stuff and its not that i dont respect him, but it takes much much more time to be good at traditional lowers or sean-style etc. same with billy wingrove for that matter

All of the mentioned by LIS have been criticized for having different styles. I have also heard Tokura, Sean, and Abbas criticized as not being freestyle for doing break or acrobatic type stuff.

On the subject of Mr. Woo, I think very few people realize how good Mr. Woo's touch really is. It's the best I've ever seen period. It may not always be a trick, but his touch is unbelievably good. It must be considered and respected. Also, people overlook that he still has tricks that I've never seen anyone else do. Not to mention, he has invented more tricks than probably any freestyle. I admit he had an advantage being one of the earlier true freestylers. Now, you also need to have some respect for how he pioneered the sport. I never said he should be compared to Skora, but he should definitely be respected among freestylers in general. He's peak level is still higher than probably 90% of freestylers, and there isn't any freestyler with a better touch still to this day. I know most people think of freestyle as tricks, but a great touch should be appreciated.

[redsforlife]

By the way, I'm not alone with this theory. Daniel Roosebom will tell how amazing Mr. Woo and Kang sung Min are all day. I believe they are still his two favorite freestylers.

[L_I_S]

All of the mentioned by LIS have been criticized for having different styles.

I only mentioned one guy and I was specifically referring to your post in which I highlighted. Not sure how you got that out of it.