Whats the deal with tricks?

[duckar]

What classify's a trick to be new? like i see lots of videos on youtube and they say new trick a *ATW or wutever the first letter of there name is but then people comment saying thats not a new trick its like a something something (NT) and blah blah blah ,but thats a load of crap lol becuase...

Patw - Atw nt atw nt atw
Latw - atw nt atw
Tatw - atw nt crossover

etc etc, so how come ppl dont say that those tricks are'nt aloud to be named patw and stuff lol i think that it shud be aloud, but than again if people keep making to many new tricks it will be to hard to remember them all and plus we wud run out of letters in the alphabet to put in front of the atw :P lol

 :thumbsup: what do u guys fink?

[Jono]

Those tricks were tricks noone had seen before, and nt tricks werent around.

[Sander]

For me a trick is a trick when it existst of two touches and in between going around the ball in any way. A crossover or reverse cross counts as one of the touches. Some examples:

atw: touch-around-touch
latw: touch- twice around- touch
tatw: touch- around the ball- touch with crossover motion
taatw: touch with reverse cross- around with other foot- crossover motion touch
palle trick: touch-around with both feet - touch with cross motion

I hope you understand what i mean with this. Because of my rule in bold, some things that are called tricks aren't actually tricks and some things called combo's are actually tricks:

Beck atw is the most famous example because it's actually three touches:
touch- around the ball- reverse cross touch- around the ball- crossover touch

But things like cross-atw nt and tb-htw nt are actually tricks:
cross touch-around the ball other foot - touch
tb touch- around the ball same foot - touch

Please dont comment right after you've read this, just think about it and then post. I dont want reactions like: that's stupid, but i want arguements :cheers:

[Macca]

you can usually just tell whether its a combo or new trick...
because atw-cross(nt) can be done differently to tatw
and atw-atw(nt), you could say it is latw or you could say its magellan

[duckar]

oh ok yea i sorta see wut u guys mean, for me its like impossible to tell if sumfing is new or not tho,im still a little confused but i kinda understand most of it lol

[Max]

also i think the most tricks that are ''new'' arent used often in combos because they are ugly or unstylish so noone uses the name the inventor gave it.

[Sander]

also i think the most tricks that are ''new'' arent used often in combos because they are ugly or unstylish so noone uses the name the inventor gave it.

that is very right, more or less all practical combo tricks are already invented

[oLi]

also i think the most tricks that are ''new'' arent used often in combos because they are ugly or unstylish so noone uses the name the inventor gave it.

That's also an important factor to weather it'd be a new trick. If someone created a really cool trick which with high possibility might be used by others the possibility of it being named after the inventor is also high

[Tom]

Who really cares about what a "new trick" is? Do the stuff you want to do, and stop care about if its new or not.

[riodavid]

When you mention latw, everybody know what are you talking.  But if you say atw-atw nt, everybody may feel weird.

Like water, you say you drink water every day but you won't say you drink H2O everyday.

So if most people recognize a trick by a specific name, then I think it can be called a new trick. Like Skora atw, it's just ahmatw-htw, but most people recognize it.

[TheGodEmperor]

I agree with Maukas Tom

[Mike]

When you mention latw, everybody know what are you talking.  But if you say atw-atw nt, everybody may feel weird.

Like water, you say you drink water every day but you won't say you drink H2O everyday.

So if most people recognize a trick by a specific name, then I think it can be called a new trick. Like Skora atw, it's just ahmatw-htw, but most people recognize it.

Of course people know latw as a latw since people been taught saying latw. But if people were taught to say atw-atw (nt) instead, they would be confused if someone said latw. The problem is not what the old tricks are named, it's whether to name a new trick by name or techniqal definition.

On some level it all comes down to having a bit of common sense, which the people who makes up the "new trick" don't seem to have because of grief. If a trick is done in a fluent motion and is worth naming after ones name, it ought to, but if it's a wierd trick which is simple expressing in techniqal terms, then do that.