RBSS World Finals Top 16 Gunther vs Sean

[Yen]

Red Bull Street Style in Lecce - Ghunter Celli vs Sean Garnier

[Andrew]

Sean was better in my opinion. Its funny because the critiria is the reason gunther won as he has to get best trick because of the nt and also there is an italian judge on the panel that knows nothing about freestyle so is gonna be bias towards gunther. I know gunther is great in freestyle but he was very lucky to pass this round. I feel sorry for Sean in this case as he lost from a bad decision again.

[Yen]

I agree. I have respect for Gunther and I thought it was a close battle but creativity to Gunther and not Sean? Correct me if I'm wrong but I did not see anything creative in Gunther's rounds.

[Camill]

while this battle, i was already disappointed because sean did so well, but i knew he had exactly this votes against him. he even freestyled more than 20 seconds longer than gunther and did almost perfect.
the best trick vote goes automatically to the best atw combo?

[Yen]

Best trick = most technically difficult trick?

[JonKonik]

Best trick = 20 different trick together?
Sean is the winner imo, Gunther was lucky to get past the first round, home advantage is huge in rbss look at the last 3 comps murilio, kamalio and now gunther

[Max]

excuse me but how exactly did sean even come near gunthers combo in terms of difficulty? sean was good indeed but lets get one thing straight: this is a competition where the hardest stuff counts and not the best looking. also gunther

[Yen]

excuse me but how exactly did sean even come near gunthers combo in terms of difficulty? sean was good indeed but lets get one thing straight: this is a competition where the hardest stuff counts and not the best looking. also gunther

Difficulty is only 1 of the 5 criterias (control) and I agree, Gunther did have harder combos but what about style and creativity? Surely Sean takes those.

[vittoleon]

Gunther did more tatw nt's than sean did atw's in a combo. I dont think Sean should have won. For controll you dont just have to look at how someone does the trick but how difficult the trick is.

[redsforlife]

For me this was a close battle. On Criteria I would vote it like this myself. Style: Sean, Control: Gunther, Best Trick: Gunther, Creativity: Sean, Overall: Sean.

I do have to agree with Andrew. The criteria pretty much made Palle vote for Gunther. We don't really know whom Palle thought was the best overall. Also, Cannavaro voted with the other Italian. I said it before, I don't think he knows near enough about freestyle to even understand what tricks are creative. He voted for which freestyle he liked more. He liked Gunther more, and it is more than possible Gunther being Italian really influenced the vote. Not trying to take too much away from Gunther. He was very good in this battle, and it was definitely close.

Max- I don't think anyone disagreed that Gunther's tatw nt combos won best trick. I agree with this. Now, I do disagree that it is entirely about what is the hardest. In an overall look at what is better, you must look at difficulty, execution, and any flair. There are great tricks that aren't really that difficult. For me, freestyle is a performance. To be a better performer, you cannot only do things that are difficult. You must do things that are appealing to the audience. The best will manage to balance the two with difficult and appealing tricks. Sean is overall a better freestyle performer than Gunther in my opinion.

[Max]

For me this was a close battle. On Criteria I would vote it like this myself. Style: Sean, Control: Gunther, Best Trick: Gunther, Creativity: Sean, Overall: Sean.

I do have to agree with Andrew. The criteria pretty much made Palle vote for Gunther. We don't really know whom Palle thought was the best overall. Also, Cannavaro voted with the other Italian. I said it before, I don't think he knows near enough about freestyle to even understand what tricks are creative. He voted for which freestyle he liked more. He liked Gunther more, and it is more than possible Gunther being Italian really influenced the vote. Not trying to take too much away from Gunther. He was very good in this battle, and it was definitely close.

Max- I don't think anyone disagreed that Gunther's tatw nt combos won best trick. I agree with this. Now, I do disagree that it is entirely about what is the hardest. In an overall look at what is better, you must look at difficulty, execution, and any flair. There are great tricks that aren't really that difficult. For me, freestyle is a performance. To be a better performer, you cannot only do things that are difficult. You must do things that are appealing to the audience. The best will manage to balance the two with difficult and appealing tricks. Sean is overall a better freestyle performer than Gunther in my opinion.

first of all, in my comment i didnt care about the criterias. imo without any criterias gunther would have won this easily.
To your point with the performance: yes you are right for me it is also important that there is a good overall performance with style and flow. BUT they cant be taken into consideration as much as difficulty. This still is a competition and in a competition the hardest stuff counts, thats it. Now i understand why someone would vote for sean against an oppenent who has like 10 drops in allround stuff but pulls of 3 patws in a combo but gunther didnt drop the ball (or maybe 1 or 2 times), had some uppers, transitions and sits + his amazing lower combo which takes longer to practise for than everything sean did in his battle. Sean clearly owned gunther in terms of style and creativity but again imo you cant value these points as high as difficulty especially not when the opponent  can do some decent allround stuff with transitions and doesnt have the ugliest style in the world.

For the rbss competition with the criterias: sean should have won. Style creativity and best trick (the one he does at the end where he jumps). Control (as i see this the difficulty part) goes to gunther and i think overall should aswell go to sean as he had much better flow in his rounds than gunther.

[redsforlife]

I just want to point out in most judged competitions like gymnastics, skateboarding, etc. difficulty isn't weighed more than other areas. It's usually weighed about the same. I guess there  are individuals that weigh certain areas higher than others, and maybe that is where we fall. I personally think the more creativity and better flow is pretty difficult to do. I disagree that Gunther's lower combo takes more practice than anything Sean did. If anything, I think Sean's could arguably take longer. I know that Gunther's tatw nt combos are very hard. It takes amazing athleticism to pull that off, but it's really one technique repeated. Is that really harder than doing many different techniques?

Just curious, because your statements contradict each other. You said without criteria Gunther should have won easily. Well, without criteria all the judges are just voting on all around. You then said Sean should win all around on RBSS criteria. You can weigh what you prefer heavier in the all around area if you like. I'm sure most people would.

For me, Sean still  wins under any or no criteria. Freestyle judging really is just about opinions. There is nothing clearly set in stone, and Sean vs Gunther is like apples vs oranges.