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Does juggling help with football?
« on: Jun 08, 2012, 03:04: PM »
The reasons why juggling is not very effective for football is because it only helps in very rare situations. Repeatedly hitting the ball close to the body, like the 'beast mode' video helps a little on close control. It will not help with receiving passes or high balls.

To practice receiving a high ball while training alone simply kick the ball high or bounce it off a wall and stop the ball dead. Repeating this is far more effective. No need to repeat juggling.

Btw redsforlife, there is a clear difference between juggling and passing the ball in the air to a teammate. So the Barcelona video is a passing drill. It mostly requires teamwork, accurate placement of ball towards a teammate and quick reactions. I bet many of those guys cannot even juggle 50 on head or feet. The link with solo juggling and this passing drill is far too small to mention.

The Maradona video is just a warm-up and nothing more. Where did Maradona say that juggling is "great to improve football skill"?

The motion and technique in juggling is very different to the motion used in volleying. The ankle flex, body position and swinging motion are all different. Again the link with juggling and volleying is far too small to mention. So to get better at volleying and learn the area of the foot to use in volleys you should repeatedly practice volleys.
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Re: Does juggling help with football?
« Reply #1 on: Jun 08, 2012, 03:30: PM »
It will not help with receiving passes or high balls.

You really do only consider juggling the repetitive motion of typical juggling. You can juggle the ball high and control which is pretty much exactly like controlling a high ball out of the air.


To practice receiving a high ball while training alone simply kick the ball high or bounce it off a wall and stop the ball dead. Repeating this is far more effective. No need to repeat juggling.

So I'm guessing that you either have to kick the ball high in the air without lifting it juggle or you must use your hands? Wouldn't it make more sense to just juggle the ball for a few touches than play it in the air to practice that? I do agree that a wall can be a great training tool, but it's not every field that has a random wall there. Well, juggling may be a way to make up for you lack of a wall.

Btw redsforlife, there is a clear difference between juggling and passing the ball in the air to a teammate. So the Barcelona video is a passing drill. It mostly requires teamwork, accurate placement of ball towards a teammate and quick reactions. I bet many of those guys cannot even juggle 50 on head or feet. The link with solo juggling and this passing drill is far too small to mention.

So you really think there is that much of  a difference from a little touch to a teammate out of the air than juggling individually? Well, if your definition of juggling is that strict, I guess you are correct, and my entire team and coaching staff for the professional indoor team I played with is wrong. Also, did you really just say that many Barca players cannot juggle more than 50 with their head or feet? I'm sorry, but this  is just flat out retarded. I doubt there is a player on the Barca U12 team that cannot do this, maybe a goal keeper can't, but all field players definitely.


The Maradona video is just a warm-up and nothing more. Where did Maradona say that juggling is "great to improve football skill"?

I really have to find an actual quote from Maradona where he said this? How come I'm required research, and you can just say whatever comes out of your ass? Maradona's legacy alone speaks for this. You do realize many people consider him the 1st freestyler? He didn't just practice this for shits and giggles. He practiced it, because it helps him at football.

The motion and technique in juggling is very different to the motion used in volleying. The ankle flex, body position and swinging motion are all different. Again the link with juggling and volleying is far too small to mention. So to get better at volleying and learn the area of the foot to use in volleys you should repeatedly practice volleys.

You don't think through your arguments very well do you? Think of what juggling is. It's more or less many small volleys over and over again. Obviously, if you wanna practice volleyed shots, you should practice volleyed shots just as you would practice any type of volley. Now, when you juggle, you can practice connecting with the proper part of the foot for the volley. It should be the same part, and you can juggle and volley with all surfaces of the foot. This only teaches the timing and connection necessary to execute a real volley.


Furthermore, I asked you to tell me why you are the say all on what drills and practices can help for football. Please, send me your resume. It must be littered with clubs throughout Europe, coaching badges, and awards.
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Re: Does juggling help with football?
« Reply #2 on: Jun 09, 2012, 02:43: AM »
I played for Real madrid Z team (in my dreams). It does not matter about football credentials if you cannot explain the reasons for each drill you are doing. Any footballer should realize there are always ways to improve and do more effective training. 

The most common volleying drill I have seen is where a coach uses his hands to throw the ball to the player. This allows the player to focus only on the volleying technique, which is the point of the drill. So while training alone, yes, the best way is to drop the ball from your hands so you can focus on volleying. During a volleying drill or a 'receiving high pass' drill juggling wastes time and energy, which could be used for getting better at volleying.

Juggling will not help with the techniques i mentioned (swinging motion, body position, ankle flex) which are far more important. Yes juggling is a series of small volleys, but practicing this will not help with shooting type volleys in a match. The specific co-ordination for shooting volleys is far different. Juggling is training volleys and control at a low level, which means no improvement, during this time. And does not help with accuracy of volleys.

And juggling does not help with "timing and connection" of volleys, as you say. The striking motion of a shooting volley is far different to the lifting motion in juggling.
 
If you, your coaching staff and teammates give such a wide definition of juggling, then yes they are wrong. I already said the reasons. That Barca drill is more about teamwork, accurate placement toward a teammate and quick reactions. You cannot say a lot of juggling practice is needed for one touch passing in the air to a teammate.
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Re: Does juggling help with football?
« Reply #3 on: Jun 09, 2012, 02:59: AM »
My last post made you look like a retard. Your reply just confirms you are retarded.

You've played such a low level of soccer that you can only do things from your hands. A high level team would laugh at the thought. Juggling it up would waste too much time and energy? Are you that poor at juggling and out of shape? It would take maybe 1sec longer, and you wouldn't look like a retard picking the ball up with your hands. I even mentioned that to practice shooting volleys you should  practice shooting volleys. Do you really not know how to read? Seriously. Now, I don't see how on earth juggling cannot work on connection and timing of the ball since that's all juggling is. You should juggle with the same part you are striking the ball with for the volley and timing it is just meeting the ball at the proper moment.

I still say the best way to practice this individually would be to play the ball up with your feet which almost has to be from juggling than strike the ball on the volley. If you cannot juggle, than you can use your hands, but if you can juggle, you're wasting your time by using your hands.

That's fine that you didn't consider the Barca video to be juggling. I can see that, but I can tell you the majority of footballers would disagree with you. I think of it as team juggling as you are working as a team to keep the ball in the air. Now, on whether juggling would help you or not with this drill. Well, if you only know how to do the repetitive typical juggling, than no, but if you are actually a competent juggler, than very much so. Juggling is meant to teach you 1st touch and control. What are the two things you would need to be good at that technically? 1st touch and control. Obviously, there is a team work aspect as well as communication is very important and moving as a team.

I think the problem is that you are so close minded on what juggling is and what it does, you can only see where it could help in football if you actually have to juggle the ball. You do not see how it can help with receiving almost any ball out of the air.

Once again, do you really think that many Barca players cannot juggle to 50?
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Re: Does juggling help with football?
« Reply #4 on: Jun 09, 2012, 04:48: AM »
How to Juggle the Soccer Ball by the IMG Soccer Academy

This is a video made by the top youth training academy in the USA. They seem to agree with me very much so. Now, I do think that the players demonstrating in the video could very much improve, but the drills themselves are very good.

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Video I made that shows great juggling drills that will very much improve your  touch in football. If you notice, I'm controlling and immediately playing the ball back into the air. This is similar to receiving a ball out of the air and volleying it. Obviously, if I had a partner, it would be better to pass back and forth, but this is a good drill for when you do not have a partner. Sitting and standing juggles teach perfect touch and control as you every touch needs to be perfect to sit and stand while juggling the ball with as few touches as in the video.

There are many videos online showing how and why people think juggling helps for football. It's almost a unanimous opinion. Your opinion is just very odd and different. Once again, I've researched the topic. Can you show me some research supporting your opinion?
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Re: Does juggling help with football?
« Reply #5 on: Jun 09, 2012, 03:56: PM »
ok man I don't really have anything else to say. Your point of view is interesting :great:
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Re: Does juggling help with football?
« Reply #6 on: Jun 10, 2012, 04:44: PM »
ok man I don't really have anything else to say. Your point of view is interesting :great:

Is that "agree to disagree" from you, or are you giving him the win on this one?
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Re: Does juggling help with football?
« Reply #7 on: Jun 10, 2012, 09:49: PM »
Is that "agree to disagree" from you, or are you giving him the win on this one?

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Re: Does juggling help with football?
« Reply #8 on: Jun 10, 2012, 10:11: PM »
Well, I clearly won as if anyone is judging by content of the 2 arguments. Mine included detailed explanations, references, and examples. Jabarinho's included just Jabarinho saying the opposite.

I will give him this. You have a unique opinion. Not very interesting, but unique. Who would have known that a freestyler of all people would argue that juggling is practically useless for football? Really kind of odd.
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Re: Does juggling help with football?
« Reply #9 on: Jun 12, 2012, 06:26: PM »
TLDR.

My view short: Ofcourse juggling helps with overall controll which leads to less bad controlls on high passes and +- any situation where the ball isnt just rolling towards you.
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Re: Does juggling help with football?
« Reply #10 on: Jun 12, 2012, 10:24: PM »
TLDR.

My view short: Ofcourse juggling helps with overall controll which leads to less bad controlls on high passes and +- any situation where the ball isnt just rolling towards you.

Which is I'd guess 90% of the footballing world's opinion. Juggling is a common practice training tool for a reason.
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