Beginner Lowers Competition- Top 16 Round 1 deadline + rules

[Yen]

It's because of competitors who are obviously not beginners. When I started, bltatw wasn't a beginner trick, also not 2 ltatw's, 2, batws, hhjatw-batw ect. These combos are not fair to other real beginners. I don't say I'm a real beginner, the one who trains for 4,5 months or who's hardest combo is atw htw amatw. I'm just saying that by these conditions I won't compete. What do you guys plan to do in the final if you go trough, htlatw?

I agree 100% with you there that bltatw is not a beginner's trick. Thus I will be making some adjustments to the competition.

PS: I would love to say thanks to Yen because of great organizing of the competition, he has put a lot of effort in this and he will always be mentioned on this forum. I respect that and it would be nice to meet you someday. Keep up the good job and, who knows, you could be an future admin of the site. 

Thanks for the kind words I hope you will still make a vid though because I will be discussing moving some competitors to a higher competition with Budz if the Top 16 vid does not match a "standard" beginner.

[Marko]

Kenneth, no offence, but that's bullshit.

Freestyle level is improving, yes. But if someone lands a 4 atw nt, does it mean that the beginners are people who can do patw? Because by your post, they can. So you are a beginner until your 3rd year of freestyle. And that's a nonsense.

The beginner rules should be very lower. Because doing that kind of combos the guys used in the qualy's aren't suitable for beginners, that's more intermediate. Did anyone saw last years competitors?

And yeah, Yen, I won't compete either way.

[Knnthh]

Kenneth, no offence, but that's bullshit.

Freestyle level is improving, yes. But if someone lands a 4 atw nt, does it mean that the beginners are people who can do patw? Because by your post, they can. So you are a beginner until your 3rd year of freestyle. And that's a nonsense.

The beginner rules should be very lower. Because doing that kind of combos the guys used in the qualy's aren't suitable for beginners, that's more intermediate. Did anyone saw last years competitors?

And yeah, Yen, I won't compete either way.

A few years ago latw was a hard trick for advanced fsers, nowadays it's considered a beginner trick. Is that bullshit too? I dont think so. In the past ahtatw/ahmatw was considered a very hard trick too, nowadays it's also beginner.

Now tell me what's bullshit 

[Marko]

That doesn't mean you can do it in a combo in the beginner round.

[Knnthh]

That doesn't mean you can do it in a combo in the beginner round.

[Lucafreestyle]

I agree, in this beginner competition there are people that should be in the intermediate one.Plus I would add that kenneth can't do strong amatws and alatws well because of the injury he had in the past(I would say that amatw's motion is fundamental for Nt's..)so that is a sort of handicap(not offending,huh :D).
Let's not misunderstand the level of the freestylers..co ahtatw and ahtatw ahtatw are not beginner combos ;)

[Adi]

A few years ago latw was a hard trick for advanced fsers, nowadays it's considered a beginner trick.

But that's because you're around the same people who have now evolved and become intermediate/advanced freestylers.

You gotta look at it from the other side.  It's about the people that starting freestyling a month or two ago.  They are the true beginners.  To them, the latw is still hard as hell.  You can't consider yourself a beginner if you've been freestyling for a year and know lots of combos.

[Kako]

in my case if I move in the intermediate competition, my level would be crap compared to the other intermediate
 

[jabarinho]

If the categories are narrower then the rules must be very specific for it to work. In my opinion it should be like this ( maximum for each level):

Beginner: 10 move combo, latw, maatw, atatw, magellan, basic nt combos like crossover - atw (nt), tatw-htw (nt)

Intermediate: 30 move combo, 2-3 move nt combos like tatw-matw (nt), amatw-amatw-amatw (nt), mgtatw, lmatw, beck variations like bltatw, beck palle trick etc

Advanced: Crazy hardcore shit.

Weak foot level? I don't know. Unusual stuff like datw, sagami atw, new shit, 360 atw could also be beginner i think.

Does anyone agree with this?

[vittoleon]

Your beginner level is a bit too low on the tricks. I would add some tricks like lmatw, beck just not in big combo's. Those should be things you hit, throw the ball away and yell at the camera :p. Same with nt combo's like tatw-matw and matw amatw. As long as you dont hit them 10 times in a vid in 10+ trick combo's they can be beginner.

[jabarinho]

i guess there will always some tricks on the edge of both beginner and intermediate. But i think the levels should be really specific. It should not matter if it's your 1st lmatw or your 10th.

Because the important thing is to not intimidate early beginners who see nt as something crazy hard.

This is really difficult to get specific but i think it should be done, so these issues don't happen in the future.

[Kako]

If the categories are narrower then the rules must be very specific for it to work. In my opinion it should be like this ( maximum for each level):

Beginner: 10 move combo, latw, maatw, atatw, magellan, basic nt combos like crossover - atw (nt), tatw-htw (nt)

Intermediate: 30 move combo, 2-3 move nt combos like tatw-matw (nt), amatw-amatw-amatw (nt), mgtatw, lmatw, beck variations like bltatw, beck palle trick etc

Advanced: Crazy hardcore shit.

Weak foot level? I don't know. Unusual stuff like datw, sagami atw, new shit, 360 atw could also be beginner i think.

Does anyone agree with this?

is perfect, my problem is, as I had said before my level is somewhat higher than beginner but pretty bad at intermediate I understand?