Absurd naming of tricks

[alexfs]

imo cfatw is a dumb name - cause its a reverse eldo atw in fact - all revs are reversed of the normal eldo..
so the name should be reverse eldo atw

[AdrianKrogseterFS]

imo cfatw is a dumb name - cause its a reverse eldo atw in fact - all revs are reversed of the normal eldo..
so the name should be reverse eldo atw

yeah stupid name, but it is a new trick and it deserves to get the owners name
dunno why u want to call it reversed eatw since, cuz then szatw is really reversed htlatw
and there will be so many tricks which will be renamed

[stefanfreestylez]

i personally dont think any of this matters at all lol

[Max]

the only thing that matters in this thread is the k3 thing since these tricks are much easier than their full rev versions. also we should destinguish between szymo atws. there are only very few people who do it right like skora and MP. the others are doing it more like k3szatw, for example adonias.

[Onas]

The freestyle terminology has become a piece of sh!t since Palle wasn't so much involved in creating new tricks anymore imo.
Palle did (ATW+MAATW)nt before Beck landed his Beck atw. It looks like he didn't came up with some proper name in time so now we have problems how to call Beck variations correctly. I also think that Palle knew someone will land SATW or RSATW, so Palle created Palle move and SATW & RSATW probably were originally meant to be Alternative Reverse Palle Move & Alternative Palle Move.
Maybe I'm completely wrong, but it all makes sense to me like that ))))
Palle is a legend, also because he saved us a lot of troubles with the naming of tricks when he created no touch combos )))

[TF]

In my opinion, Beck with an ATW instead of TATW is not HHJATW - ATW. HJATW is one movement just like HTATW where as the 'Half Beck' trick is clearly 2 movements. For me, it should in fact be called hatw aatw nt. I agree with Dan that this sort of debate is fairly useless. However, when it comes to a competition like the sick 3 in Prague, it causes a lot of controversy as to whether a combo is 3, 4 or even 5 tricks long.

Moving onto the K3EATW/SZATW discussion, I agree with Max. I feel very strongly that the majority of people who do SZATW, don't do it the way it should be done. When Szymo first did the trick, I saw it as an LTATW just without the touch of the crossover. Where as, now it is done only with 1 jump which I personally don't think is right.

I hate to single people out specifically but here are 2 examples:

For me unclean by Japa - Japa - Szatw

Real, clean SZATW by Mumin - Mumin - Szymo atw

Just my opinion but I think I'm right with what I've said.

[Ethan]

sorry to add something else, but if you are making the point with szatw then the same has to be made with htlatw...
the difference between the 'unclean' and 'clean' szatw's is only the timing of the jump. the earlier the jump, the easier it is to do the trick and the more we call it 'unclean'. surely, then, it's the exact same for htlatw.

as tom said, dont like pointing people out but:
look at the timing of the jump, it is the same idea as k3 style tricks.
Arczi HTLATW 

now look at this: a much harder, cleaner way to do the trick which involves a fast alatw motion with no jump
LKR - My first HTLATW



i don't really care bout this stuff tbh, but seeing as everyones pointing it out with szatw, it's the same thing!

[BigMac]

One thing that has always bothered me about htlatw is that it doesn't make sense when you H off lol

[L_I_S]

sorry to add something else, but if you are making the point with szatw then the same has to be made with htlatw...
the difference between the 'unclean' and 'clean' szatw's is only the timing of the jump. the earlier the jump, the easier it is to do the trick and the more we call it 'unclean'. surely, then, it's the exact same for htlatw.

as tom said, dont like pointing people out but:
look at the timing of the jump, it is the same idea as k3 style tricks.
Arczi HTLATW 

now look at this: a much harder, cleaner way to do the trick which involves a fast alatw motion with no jump
LKR - My first HTLATW



i don't really care bout this stuff tbh, but seeing as everyones pointing it out with szatw, it's the same thing!

In this case, htatw isn't done the same way as you would do hatw htw nt. It's done in the air, as I'm sure you're aware of. Same should apply to htlatw.

[Ethan]

sorry to add something else, but if you are making the point with szatw then the same has to be made with htlatw...
the difference between the 'unclean' and 'clean' szatw's is only the timing of the jump. the earlier the jump, the easier it is to do the trick and the more we call it 'unclean'. surely, then, it's the exact same for htlatw.

as tom said, dont like pointing people out but:
look at the timing of the jump, it is the same idea as k3 style tricks.
Arczi HTLATW 

now look at this: a much harder, cleaner way to do the trick which involves a fast alatw motion with no jump
LKR - My first HTLATW



i don't really care bout this stuff tbh, but seeing as everyones pointing it out with szatw, it's the same thing!

In this case, htatw isn't done the same way as you would do hatw htw nt. It's done in the air, as I'm sure you're aware of. Same should apply to htlatw.

  yes you're right, but then freestyle would be fucking ugly. the difference between your point with htatw and mine with htlatw is i think htlatw actually looks better when its done correctly, whereas htatw would look far worse.

[L_I_S]

sorry to add something else, but if you are making the point with szatw then the same has to be made with htlatw...
the difference between the 'unclean' and 'clean' szatw's is only the timing of the jump. the earlier the jump, the easier it is to do the trick and the more we call it 'unclean'. surely, then, it's the exact same for htlatw.

as tom said, dont like pointing people out but:
look at the timing of the jump, it is the same idea as k3 style tricks.
Arczi HTLATW 

now look at this: a much harder, cleaner way to do the trick which involves a fast alatw motion with no jump
LKR - My first HTLATW



i don't really care bout this stuff tbh, but seeing as everyones pointing it out with szatw, it's the same thing!

In this case, htatw isn't done the same way as you would do hatw htw nt. It's done in the air, as I'm sure you're aware of. Same should apply to htlatw.

  yes you're right, but then freestyle would be fucking ugly. the difference between your point with htatw and mine with htlatw is i think htlatw actually looks better when its done correctly, whereas htatw would look far worse.

How is it correct not to execute htlatw similar to htatw?
I guess it's a matter of opinion about what looks better though.

[Max]

its not about what looks better its about clearing up whats harder. it is harder to do htlatw like hatw alatw nt than in one jump like jonathas adonias etc.