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[vish22]

hey my doubt is,how come the south americans practice lesser and improve sooo much more????ahahaha

Less? Who became great all-lower-styles freestyler in SA?

Yes,I agree with you to a certain extent that these guys are not all-lower-style hardcore
but with what they do,they have lots of determination and their improvement seems(to me atleast,who can just sit here and comment on observations)to be more instinctive rather than technical.Ask me if u didnt understand what i said.
OK-
LKR,Diego,and their friends,lol,esteban and few of his friends,lol,Charly,J9,etc..surely dont pracice 5-6 hrs a day and 6 days a week throughout the year(I'm assuming this) and their training efficiency is much higher as they improve at a rapid pace when theyre high on confidence,or so it seems.
And Russians??..Who are we talking about??
German,ARS,MP and anyOne,Akim and absolutely nobody else!(maybe mishik) who are top class
Others arent top class at all in Russia.Maybe theyre on a higher level than average europe,but no where near top class.(maybe they will be?who knows?)
and speaking of being a good "all-style-lower" freestyler?I'm sorry but I havent seen more than 5 russians doing more than 4 amatws nt,dunnowhois!!
PS:i hope u dont take it personal and cmega respect for everyone who trains hard there.

Charly, J9, who are already practicing for 4 years :D
Artes, as it was mentioned above, Pavlinoff (6 ahmatw, 4 amatw nt, tatw-ahtatw nt-combo etc), MK19 (one of the bests 2latw-2ahmatw-2latw-2ahmatw and that style-combos), some guy with eatw-alatw after 1 year of trainings, and there are many others. Then, top-class lower freestylers Russia have more than any other country too, simply you can't see it.

Yes,thats what everyone can see,and big respect for that,you were talking about being hardcore in all lower styles,that is,ah-moves,triple revs.,long combos with 5-6 2nts,NTS(+5),etc. etc.
Russians cant do amatws nt very consistently,and also are poor in long combos with many nts in them,not to mention bec variations.I'm just saying that there is wayyy more to be accomplished in lowers to be "hardcore all-lower-styled" and not just specific moves for specific fsers.

PS-ARS and MP are the bestests

Then call all lower-styles and say in which russians aren't masters.

No touch master is Mirko and Tobias Becs
becs variation master is brian
latw-alatw variation master is mirko,domybd
atatw-gunther(exception)
Only ARS and MP are  masters in ahmatw-ahtatw combos and its triple variations with crossover ending(also german)
and these have extremely high level in the other styles as well,no.2 in other hardcore variety
and other russians who can do even half of the mentioned variations?all of them?And I'm talking about being high level in everything..not just single dimensional.

[Max]

ok and where are your great South America freestylers in these categories? no master in anything from South America. i believe ARS German and MP beat everyone from SA in lowers and started freestyle way later. plus the other guys you mentioned as masters are also mainly masters in one category (except Mirko and Becs) while russians are on high level in everything and in a shorter time of freestyle. i dont get your argumentation vish22

[vish22]

Max, i have already mentioned that ARS,German and MP and masters in ahmatw,ahtatw and their cross and triple variations.They are not no.1 nor no.2,in no touches nor bec variations nor latw-alatw variations,but they are crazy nonetheless.

Anyways,that was not my point,what i am trying to say that who else??u tell me,other than these 3-4 hardcore insane machines,who else is even near them in russia huh??can any1 else in russia do more than 5 amatws nt?triple bec variation??4alatws???
You can talk about a high level,but u need to be good in all categories to attain an overall high level which clearly 80% russians are not
They just are insane in ahmatws and ahtatws and putting them in longish,combos.and they train 6 hrs everyday.but yes,the average level in russia is way higher than in europe,and big big for that and nobodys pushing them down for that.
Now look at south america,do u think they train 6 hrs everyday??crasso moslo,LKR,esteban,to name a few have trained a bit more than 2 years and dont u think they have attained a higher overall level than the 80% russians who train 6hrs everyday?
can u get what i'm saying now?
Russians,practice other hardcore variations a bit more and then nobody can touch u

[dunnowhois]

vish22, how many russian fsers did u see? I've given to you an the example of russian who has amazing latw-alatw-ahmatw variations, but u have never seen him at all. And there are smth about 100 such fsers about who you don't even know. And still, average level in all styles is still much higher in Russia when anywhere else.
Yea, I think brazilian train exactly that time - 5-6 hrs.

[vish22]

other than ars mp akim german and anyoone
i know patch,amico,pavlinof,pavlov,artem,jambo,these are imrpessive but not near the very best...

[vish22]

and 100 such freesylers???are you being practical or are u just praising ure country?
and u said about the fser who can do insane latw-ahmatw-alatw variations..
u tell me..how many amatws nt can he do consistently?how many weak foot ahtatws he can do?

[dunnowhois]

and 100 such freesylers???are you being practical or are u just praising ure country?
and u said about the fser who can do insane latw-ahmatw-alatw variations..
u tell me..how many amatws nt can he do consistently?how many weak foot ahtatws he can do?

Dunno about consistence, but his record is 5 amatws nt. Ahtatws - as I know, only 2. But he has over 50 atws weak foot and great long combos.
Btw didn't see any other than russian freestyler who would have any good weak foot:(

[Max]

crasso freestyling for 2 years?? plain bullshit at least 4 years.

[vish22]

but his amatw imrpvement?that didnt take more than 5 months
and Max,you need to understand,4 years ago,many wouldnt have believed what they could have achieved unless they thought it was possible.
Now,we know for sure nothing is impossible,and big thanks to russians for that.
And dunnowhois,you what is the only difference between skora and other freestylers,in terms of technical ability?
Skora has mastered each and every possible variation almost of each and every combo which many attempt nowadays..

[Max]

but his amatw imrpvement?that didnt take more than 5 months
and Max,you need to understand,4 years ago,many wouldnt have believed what they could have achieved unless they thought it was possible.
Now,we know for sure nothing is impossible,and big thanks to russians for that.

he has done 5 amatw nt combo like 2,5 years ago. and yes i know about the improvement mentality, i have started in november 2006 myself. still russians improve faster plus crasso isnt allrounded in lowers either

[vish22]

ok sorry i didnt know that bro,but he went from 5 to 10+ in less than 6 months,which is really respectable
Crasso is not the main point here,nor is what we are talking about(i hope this oftopic discussion can be pardoned)

[vish22]

and 100 such freesylers???are you being practical or are u just praising ure country?
and u said about the fser who can do insane latw-ahmatw-alatw variations..
u tell me..how many amatws nt can he do consistently?how many weak foot ahtatws he can do?

Dunno about consistence, but his record is 5 amatws nt. Ahtatws - as I know, only 2. But he has over 50 atws weak foot and great long combos.
Btw didn't see any other than russian freestyler who would have any good weak foot:(

Nobody has a good weak foot,u need to train it