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Re: Ball size.
« Reply #12 on: Dec 09, 2010, 02:07: AM »
'g' is not same everywhere on earth for eg at the poles its different. cuz the earth is oval shaped. but the difference is negligible you might say. anyway i just wanted be cocky about my physics knowledge :D :rolleyes:
The nitrophosphate process (also known as the Odda process) was a method for the industrial production of nitrogen fertilizers invented by Erling Johnson in the city of Odda, Norway around 1927.

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Re: Ball size.
« Reply #13 on: Dec 09, 2010, 03:25: AM »
Just nevermind the ball! Just do all you can with one size, and if you have to use the other, it'll just take like 1-2 days to get used to it. Not a big deal at all.

However,
If you guys really wanna talk about that matter from the root, it all began with gravity. If you guys ever taken any physics class, you guys probably heard of "g", the acceleration due to gravity. Well, guess what? On Earth, "g" is the same everywhere, any time! It always equals to 9.81 m/s^2. That means everything, no matter what size (unless the drag due to air resistance is so high) will always fall at the same rate.
Now because the balls have relatively the same sizes (one is 4.5 the other 5) it's not a big deal of difference in the falling of the ball.

OK, when we're clear of that, other parameters can be considered,
Like LIS said, he had "unnecessary" big and predetermined revolutions around the ball, and because of that, it makes complete sense why he prefers size 5 for combos. The surface area of contact of a size 5 ball is larger than that of a size 4.5, and because all things fall at the same rate, and LIS's leg is always moving in a constant predetermined path, maximum contact = maximum ability to control the ball. That's why he prefers size 5 for long combos.

For the guys who don't have the "predetermined" path of revolution like him, it'll be beneficial to use a size 4.5, because you can cheat your way around the revolution. Since the balls are falling at the same rate, one with a smaller area will be easier for your leg to get around. The matter of the size of the revolution is more at work here, and less for the surface area.

The point I'm tryna make here is that, because everybody's different, you can't say that one can do better tricks with a 4.5 ball without looking at his revolution (which complicates matters because we don't have time to do that for like everyone), and even if so, cheating your way around the revolutions isn't nice! It's just better to just forget all about it and focus on learning your tricks. Any kind of ball that you want should do! After all, "g" is constant!

And so, that's taking matters of the balls from the root. If you understand it, great. If not, just follow my advice above: "Nevermind the ball! Just do all you can with one size, and if you have to use the other, it'll just take like 1-2 days to get used to it. Not a big deal at all."

lol, like one year ago i learned in school, that g is not everywhere on earth the same, but in europa it´s like 9,81
anyway, fantastic explanation

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Re: Ball size.
« Reply #14 on: Dec 10, 2010, 07:48: AM »
I try not to use a Monta to often because I always find it really hard to make the transition back to matchballs

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Re: Ball size.
« Reply #15 on: Dec 12, 2010, 11:50: AM »
Just nevermind the ball! Just do all you can with one size, and if you have to use the other, it'll just take like 1-2 days to get used to it. Not a big deal at all.

However,
If you guys really wanna talk about that matter from the root, it all began with gravity. If you guys ever taken any physics class, you guys probably heard of "g", the acceleration due to gravity. Well, guess what? On Earth, "g" is the same everywhere, any time! It always equals to 9.81 m/s^2. That means everything, no matter what size (unless the drag due to air resistance is so high) will always fall at the same rate.
Now because the balls have relatively the same sizes (one is 4.5 the other 5) it's not a big deal of difference in the falling of the ball.

OK, when we're clear of that, other parameters can be considered,
Like LIS said, he had "unnecessary" big and predetermined revolutions around the ball, and because of that, it makes complete sense why he prefers size 5 for combos. The surface area of contact of a size 5 ball is larger than that of a size 4.5, and because all things fall at the same rate, and LIS's leg is always moving in a constant predetermined path, maximum contact = maximum ability to control the ball. That's why he prefers size 5 for long combos.

For the guys who don't have the "predetermined" path of revolution like him, it'll be beneficial to use a size 4.5, because you can cheat your way around the revolution. Since the balls are falling at the same rate, one with a smaller area will be easier for your leg to get around. The matter of the size of the revolution is more at work here, and less for the surface area.

The point I'm tryna make here is that, because everybody's different, you can't say that one can do better tricks with a 4.5 ball without looking at his revolution (which complicates matters because we don't have time to do that for like everyone), and even if so, cheating your way around the revolutions isn't nice! It's just better to just forget all about it and focus on learning your tricks. Any kind of ball that you want should do! After all, "g" is constant!

And so, that's taking matters of the balls from the root. If you understand it, great. If not, just follow my advice above: "Nevermind the ball! Just do all you can with one size, and if you have to use the other, it'll just take like 1-2 days to get used to it. Not a big deal at all."

sorry, but there`s more gravity here in Quito-Ecuador, cientific proved...!!! we are in the exact middle of the world, I`m not good at physic so thats all the explanation i can give to you guys... but as you said Khoa, its just a ball u will get used to in 2 or 3 days xD

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Re: Ball size.
« Reply #16 on: Dec 12, 2010, 11:52: AM »
sorry, but there`s more gravity here in Quito-Ecuador, cientific proved...!!! we are in the exact middle of the world, I`m not good at physic so thats all the explanation i can give to you guys... but as you said Khoa, its just a ball u will get used to in 2 or 3 days xD

It's more, but it's negligible more bro. It's not that significant to consider.
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Re: Ball size.
« Reply #17 on: Dec 12, 2010, 12:37: PM »
It is very easy.

A shorter distance around the ball will do so that you can go around the ball faster with the same speed on your leg/foot= easier to do the revolutions.. simple and YES IT MATTERS

believe me, I am better on akhsdsfsdoak in lower freestyler and I know this, im not cocky and this is simply facts,... ive done patw,pmatw,eatw,skatw etc etc with all kinds of balls, I KNOW it is easier with a size '4.5' than a size 5.... dont come in hear with stupid talk ...

size matters END OF STORY,,... i dont have time you answer/explain all the stuff you wrote in there cause its a crazy wall of text with to much bullshit.... if you deny that size matters you either have a small dick or you are stupid.




« Last Edit: Dec 12, 2010, 12:44: PM by Gustav »
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Re: Ball size.
« Reply #18 on: Dec 12, 2010, 04:03: PM »
It is very easy.

A shorter distance around the ball will do so that you can go around the ball faster with the same speed on your leg/foot= easier to do the revolutions.. simple and YES IT MATTERS

believe me, I am better on akhsdsfsdoak in lower freestyler and I know this, im not cocky and this is simply facts,... ive done patw,pmatw,eatw,skatw etc etc with all kinds of balls, I KNOW it is easier with a size '4.5' than a size 5.... dont come in hear with stupid talk ...

size matters END OF STORY,,... i dont have time you answer/explain all the stuff you wrote in there cause its a crazy wall of text with to much bullshit.... if you deny that size matters you either have a small dick or you are stupid.





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Re: Ball size.
« Reply #19 on: Dec 13, 2010, 12:43: AM »
I agree with Gustav Luxembourg.
The nitrophosphate process (also known as the Odda process) was a method for the industrial production of nitrogen fertilizers invented by Erling Johnson in the city of Odda, Norway around 1927.

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Re: Ball size.
« Reply #20 on: Dec 13, 2010, 11:52: AM »
It is very easy.

A shorter distance around the ball will do so that you can go around the ball faster with the same speed on your leg/foot= easier to do the revolutions.. simple and YES IT MATTERS

believe me, I am better on akhsdsfsdoak in lower freestyler and I know this, im not cocky and this is simply facts,... ive done patw,pmatw,eatw,skatw etc etc with all kinds of balls, I KNOW it is easier with a size '4.5' than a size 5.... dont come in hear with stupid talk ...

size matters END OF STORY,,... i dont have time you answer/explain all the stuff you wrote in there cause its a crazy wall of text with to much bullshit.... if you deny that size matters you either have a small dick or you are stupid.
So it would be more intelligent to use a ball that would benefit your freestyle rather than hinder it, true?
Hmm..I guess it would be somewhat unitelligent to use a ball that doesn't maximise your skill.
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Re: Ball size.
« Reply #21 on: Dec 13, 2010, 12:28: PM »
It is very easy.

A shorter distance around the ball will do so that you can go around the ball faster with the same speed on your leg/foot= easier to do the revolutions.. simple and YES IT MATTERS

believe me, I am better on akhsdsfsdoak in lower freestyler and I know this, im not cocky and this is simply facts,... ive done patw,pmatw,eatw,skatw etc etc with all kinds of balls, I KNOW it is easier with a size '4.5' than a size 5.... dont come in hear with stupid talk ...

size matters END OF STORY,,... i dont have time you answer/explain all the stuff you wrote in there cause its a crazy wall of text with to much bullshit.... if you deny that size matters you either have a small dick or you are stupid.

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