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Re: Religion Thread
« Reply #192 on: Dec 29, 2010, 07:55: PM »
@ Royal

I understand the rest, and I apologize for calling you a blind believer, but how can you be so sure that Islam is the right religion? You might say that Islam is the right religion because it helps attain the "truth". But what is that "truth" that you are talking about? Again, I don't mean to be offensive in any way, I am just curious.

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Re: Religion Thread
« Reply #193 on: Dec 29, 2010, 08:27: PM »
no problem  :great:

The truth =
- that Allah is the Only God worthy of worship
- that Muhammad was not a liar and that he was a Prophet of Allah
- that the Qur'an was a Divine Revelation from God (Allah)

I think my previous posts have youtube links of why I believe that is the Truth. You can watch the video in the first post in this thread.
They are long, but they should help with your curiosity.

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Re: Religion Thread
« Reply #194 on: Dec 30, 2010, 11:42: AM »
no problem  :great:

The truth =
- that Allah is the Only God worthy of worship
- that Muhammad was not a liar and that he was a Prophet of Allah
- that the Qur'an was a Divine Revelation from God (Allah)

I think my previous posts have youtube links of why I believe that is the Truth. You can watch the video in the first post in this thread.
They are long, but they should help with your curiosity.


If hes so great why did he make animals like mosquitos and wasps, theyre awful!
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Re: Religion Thread
« Reply #195 on: Dec 30, 2010, 01:23: PM »
no problem  :great:

The truth =
- that Allah is the Only God worthy of worship
- that Muhammad was not a liar and that he was a Prophet of Allah
- that the Qur'an was a Divine Revelation from God (Allah)

I think my previous posts have youtube links of why I believe that is the Truth. You can watch the video in the first post in this thread.
They are long, but they should help with your curiosity.

What makes your god superior to all others? The way you stated it is there other gods? If I worship the wrong god will I be punished for my mistake?
I've always wondered too (I'm not sure how it goes for everyone.) if your life is born and predetermined by your god, why should you be punished for what the god(s) destined you to do? (I'm not sure what religion this is.)
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Re: Religion Thread
« Reply #196 on: Dec 30, 2010, 04:04: PM »
no problem  :great:

The truth =
- that Allah is the Only God worthy of worship
- that Muhammad was not a liar and that he was a Prophet of Allah
- that the Qur'an was a Divine Revelation from God (Allah)

I think my previous posts have youtube links of why I believe that is the Truth. You can watch the video in the first post in this thread.
They are long, but they should help with your curiosity.

What makes your god superior to all others? The way you stated it is there other gods? If I worship the wrong god will I be punished for my mistake?
I've always wondered too (I'm not sure how it goes for everyone.) if your life is born and predetermined by your god, why should you be punished for what the god(s) destined you to do? (I'm not sure what religion this is.)
There are other FALSE gods
But there is ONE TRUE God worthy of being worshipped.
As Allah stated in the Qur'an (somewhere along these lines), "If there were to be other gods equal to Allah everything would be in chaos."

a. SURAH IKHLAS (chapter 112 of Quran) WITH EXPLANATION
 (i) Translation
As per Islam, the best and the most concise definition of God is given in Surah Ikhlas of the Glorious Qur’an:

Say He is Allah,

The One and Only;

Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;

He begets not,

Nor is He begotten;

And there is none

Like unto Him.

(Al Qur’an 112:1-4)

The word ‘assamad’ is difficult to translate. It means that absolute existence can be attributed only to Allah, all other existence being temporal or conditional. It also means Allah is not dependant on any person or thing but all persons and things are dependent on Him.

It is the touch stone of Theology

Surah Ikhlas i.e. Chapter 112 of the Glorious Qur’an is the touchstone of Theology. ‘Theo’ in Greek means God and ‘logy’ means study. Thus ‘Theology’ means study of God and Surah Ikhlas is the touchstone of the study of God.

If you want to purchase or sell your gold jewellery, you would first evaluate it. Such an evaluation of gold jewellery is done by a goldsmith with the help of a touchstone. He rubs the gold jewellery on the touch stone and compares its colour with rubbing samples of gold. If it matches with 24 Karat gold he will tell that your jewellery is 24 Karat pure Gold. If it is not high quality pure Gold, he will tell you its value whether 22 Karats, 18 Karats or it may not be gold at all. It may be fake because all that glitters is not gold.

Similarly Surah Ikhlas (Chapter 112 of the Qur’an) is the touchstone of theology, which can verify whether the deity that you worship is a true God or a false God. Thus, Surah Ikhlaas is a four-line definition of Almighty God according to the Qur’an. If any one claims to be, or is believed to be Almighty God satisfies this four-line definition, we Muslims will readily accept that deity as God. This Chapter of the Glorious Qur’an, Surah Ikhlas, is the acid test. It is the ‘Furqan’ or the criterion to judge between the one True God and false claimants to divinity. Hence, whichever deity any human on earth worships, if such a deity fulfills the criteria specified in this Chapter of the Qur’an, then this deity is worthy of worship and is the One True God.

You're probably talking about Islam. That's a question a lot of Muslims ask. If our destiny/fate has already written down, why should we care what happens next or why should we be punished?
That is a wrong way of thinking. You CAN alter your destiny for a better one if you ask Allah for Good and Paradise and you start to work hard and do good deeds.
but if you just accept that you'll go to hell, and you don't care or do anything about it, then how could you expect any good?

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Re: Religion Thread
« Reply #197 on: Dec 30, 2010, 06:49: PM »
@ Royal:
So if you just live a normal life, without praying to Allah but not doing bad deeds, you will still go to hell because that is your destiny and you didn't try to improve it?

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Re: Religion Thread
« Reply #198 on: Dec 30, 2010, 08:43: PM »
If you believe that submitting to Allah is the truth but ignore it and you didn't follow it then yep. That's the biggest bad deed there is, by not acknowledging Allah as the true God. But no one knows their destiny.

On the authority of Abdullah bin Masud, who said: the Messenger of Allah, and he is the truthful, the believed narrated to us :
"Verily the creation of each one of you is brought together in his mother's belly for forty days in the form of seed, then he is a clot of blood for a like period, then a morsel of flesh for a like period, then there is sent to him the angel who blows the breath of life into him and who is commanded about four matters: to write down his means of livelihood, his life span, his actions, and whether happy or unhappy. By Allah, other than Whom there is no god, verily one of you behaves like the people of Paradise until there is but an arm's length between him and it, and that which has been written over takes him and so he behaves like the people of Hell-fire and thus he enters it; and one of you behaves like the people of Hell-fire until there is but an arm's length between him and it, and that which has been written over takes him and so he behaves like the people of Paradise and thus he enters it." related by Bukhari and Muslim

On the authority of Abu Hurairah, who said: the Messenger of Allah said :
p "Allah the Almighty is good and accepts only that which is good. Allah has commanded the faithful to do that which he commanded the messengers, and the Almighty has said: "O ye messengers ! Eat of the good things and do right". And Allah the Almighty has said : "O ye who believe! Eat of the good things wherewith We have provided you"
Then he mentioned [the case of] a man who, having journeyed far, is disheveled and dusty and who spreads out his hands to the sky [saying] : "O Lord! O Lord!" - while his food is unlawful, his drink unlawful, his clothing unlawful, and he is nourished unlawfully, so how can he be answered!" related by Muslim

On the authority of Anas, who said: I heard the Messenger of Allah say:
Allah the Almighty has said: "O son of Adam, so long as you call upon Me and ask of Me, I shall forgive you for what you have done, and I shall not mind. O son of Adam, were your sins to reach the clouds of the sky and were you then to ask forgiveness of Me, I would forgive you. O son of Adam, were you to come to Me with sins nearly as great as the earth and were you then to face Me, ascribing no partner to Me, I would bring you forgiveness nearly as great as its." related by Al-Tirmithi, who said that it was a good and sound Hadith.

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Re: Religion Thread
« Reply #199 on: Dec 31, 2010, 05:26: AM »
atheist :great:


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Re: Religion Thread
« Reply #200 on: Dec 31, 2010, 06:47: AM »
If you believe that submitting to Allah is the truth but ignore it and you didn't follow it then yep. That's the biggest bad deed there is, by not acknowledging Allah as the true God. But no one knows their destiny.

On the authority of Abdullah bin Masud, who said: the Messenger of Allah, and he is the truthful, the believed narrated to us :
"Verily the creation of each one of you is brought together in his mother's belly for forty days in the form of seed, then he is a clot of blood for a like period, then a morsel of flesh for a like period, then there is sent to him the angel who blows the breath of life into him and who is commanded about four matters: to write down his means of livelihood, his life span, his actions, and whether happy or unhappy. By Allah, other than Whom there is no god, verily one of you behaves like the people of Paradise until there is but an arm's length between him and it, and that which has been written over takes him and so he behaves like the people of Hell-fire and thus he enters it; and one of you behaves like the people of Hell-fire until there is but an arm's length between him and it, and that which has been written over takes him and so he behaves like the people of Paradise and thus he enters it." related by Bukhari and Muslim

On the authority of Abu Hurairah, who said: the Messenger of Allah said :
p "Allah the Almighty is good and accepts only that which is good. Allah has commanded the faithful to do that which he commanded the messengers, and the Almighty has said: "O ye messengers ! Eat of the good things and do right". And Allah the Almighty has said : "O ye who believe! Eat of the good things wherewith We have provided you"
Then he mentioned [the case of] a man who, having journeyed far, is disheveled and dusty and who spreads out his hands to the sky [saying] : "O Lord! O Lord!" - while his food is unlawful, his drink unlawful, his clothing unlawful, and he is nourished unlawfully, so how can he be answered!" related by Muslim

On the authority of Anas, who said: I heard the Messenger of Allah say:
Allah the Almighty has said: "O son of Adam, so long as you call upon Me and ask of Me, I shall forgive you for what you have done, and I shall not mind. O son of Adam, were your sins to reach the clouds of the sky and were you then to ask forgiveness of Me, I would forgive you. O son of Adam, were you to come to Me with sins nearly as great as the earth and were you then to face Me, ascribing no partner to Me, I would bring you forgiveness nearly as great as its." related by Al-Tirmithi, who said that it was a good and sound Hadith.
you see you actually have to explain stuff to people rather than post gigabytes for people to read and watch. than you say you earned dawa..
plus, the language of the quotes is like old english. i wonder if anyone understands you.
i m sorry but thats what i think.
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Re: Religion Thread
« Reply #201 on: Dec 31, 2010, 08:06: AM »

you see you actually have to explain stuff to people rather than post gigabytes for people to read and watch. than you say you earned dawa..
plus, the language of the quotes is like old english. i wonder if anyone understands you.
i m sorry but thats what i think.
I'm pretty sure the ppl here understand it. the english is simple. It's not shakespearean or something... And I'm quoting them because they're from the Prophet's sayings, not my own.

Anyways, if anyone didn't understand here are some explanations

1st hadith I quoted in the post above:
It obviously talks a bit of how a baby is inside the mother's womb at the starting stages. Then it goes on to say that Allah puts the soul into the baby and commands an angel to write down the destiny of the baby. Lastly, the Prophet says that some people might be good or bad throughout his life but nearing his/her end he/she all of a sudden changes because it is what was written.
2nd hadith:
simple explanation = if you want your supplications to be answered, try to be a good Muslim... really easy to understand that.
3rd hadith:
Allah is telling us that no matter how many or big the sins are, if you ask Him for forgiveness, He will forgive you. again, easy to understand...

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Re: Religion Thread
« Reply #202 on: Dec 31, 2010, 02:24: PM »
Religion of peace; Why do so many of you guys kill the christians in Egypt on NYE and on their easter?
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Re: Religion Thread
« Reply #203 on: Dec 31, 2010, 05:43: PM »
Does killing non-Muslims on their Holidays have any base in Islam?
no.
Those ppl are stupid, ignorant extremists. Their actions have NOTHING to do with Islam.