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Re: Religion Thread
« Reply #180 on: Dec 28, 2010, 09:28: PM »
The oldest known religion is about 40000 years old.
The modern man is about 150000-200000 years old.

How could God in any possible religion judge these people and send them to hell when they didn't even have a chance to prove themselves?
It's quite unfair.

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Re: Religion Thread
« Reply #181 on: Dec 29, 2010, 02:13: AM »
it's not just warning the non-muslims
warning the muslims who hardly act upon Islam

and anyways, is there a problem if it's written in the Qur'an? I mean if that's where non-believers are going then what's wrong if you describe it? that should serve as clearer warning that if you don't believe you know what punishment awaits you. It's making sure ppl will be horrified of Allah's punishment.
It's kinda like when a teacher says, "If you misbehave you will be expelled." It's scarier than, "If you misbehave you will receive immense punishment." They won't really get what's really scary if you don't know how you'll punish him.
I remember a comment in this forum saying that heaven will be boring if there's no work, it's better hell, at least you get something new and have more entertainment... or somewhere along those lines.
That just shows you there are ppl in this world who think life and hereafter is just a complete joke.
To be honest, I think the latter sounds much more scary.
Let's look at another aspect. Why is fear necessary? I don't know about you, but I don't want to live in fear that I'll be torchured because I'm not allowed to believe in anything other than what a book/messenger/God etc tells me to.

Another question. In the Christian Orthodox belief(as far as I am aware of), anyone can enter paradise because they are judged on their conditions.(example:Growing up in a country where there is no money for religious teaching's. That person might never have the chance to read a holy book, therefore never going to go to paradise/heaven. But in Christian Orthodox beleif, that person can)
Does the Qur'an specify about anything like that?
Well then, it's seems you prefer being expelled right after you do something. IMO, if I know how extreme the punishment will be I will, as much as possible, try to avoid that.
it's not only about living in fear. it's quite a mix of:
love for Allah, coz as a Muslim you believe that He sustained and cherishes believers and gave a us guidance (the Qur'an and Muhammad SAW).
hope for Allah's reward (i.e. Heaven and the chance to meet Him)
and fear of Allah's punishment (i.e. Hell)

Yes, we have that belief too. But he will not be sent straight to Heaven. Allah knows what will happen, but to those who did not get a chance to read about Islam, they will be raised up in the Day of Judgement and judged on the spot whether they shall believe or not. I don't know much on this subject though so I don't know how it will be, but everyone will be judged as fairly as possible.

The oldest known religion is about 40000 years old.
The modern man is about 150000-200000 years old.

How could God in any possible religion judge these people and send them to hell when they didn't even have a chance to prove themselves?
It's quite unfair.

that's the thing I keep hearing, that Islam is a new religion and Muhammad (S.A.W.) was the one who created it.
We believe, as we are what you might call "creationists, that Adam, the first man, was created and was a Muslim. Muslim means one who peacefully, willingly, and wholly submits himself/herself to Allah. Before Allah chose Islam as Allah said in the Quran,
"This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.” (5:3),
 there was something called Tawheed, meaning Oneness of God (i.e. Allah). You worship one God that has no partners.
And after Adam, there were other Prophets and Messengers sent to different peoples.
"We did aforetime send messengers before thee: of them there are some whose story We have related to thee, and some whose story We have not related to thee. It was not (possible) for any messenger to bring a sign except by the leave of Allah: but when the Command of Allah issued, the matter was decided in truth and justice, and there perished, there and then those who stood on Falsehoods."
—Qur'an, sura 40 (Ghafir), ayah 78
"For We assuredly sent amongst every people a messenger with (the command), 'Serve God and eschew evil'""
(16:36)
and after all those Messengers and Prophets, Muhammad (SAW) was sent as a Seal of the Prophets or the Last Prophet to Mankind and all things that exists, and with him, Allah chose Islam as the final religion or way of life.
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Re: Religion Thread
« Reply #182 on: Dec 29, 2010, 02:34: AM »
Don't bother Freak these people will keep coming u  with pointless questions till u drop.

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Re: Religion Thread
« Reply #183 on: Dec 29, 2010, 02:40: AM »
I enjoy discussing about religion. hopefully something I say will convince them to read more about Islam. My own little da'wah  :grin:

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Re: Religion Thread
« Reply #184 on: Dec 29, 2010, 06:20: AM »
Royal, i think you should have given this the title islam thread rather than religion thread when u started the topic.
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Re: Religion Thread
« Reply #185 on: Dec 29, 2010, 06:31: AM »
well if anyone wants to discuss other religions, fine by me
Islam seems to be of the most, if not the most, talked about religion nowadays with all the terrorism and shizzle happening recently sooo...

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Re: Religion Thread
« Reply #186 on: Dec 29, 2010, 11:36: AM »
I'd like to know about judaism, hinduism and other religions, but I don't see anyone with knowledge on other religions so I haven't botherd to ask.

Thanks for answering, RF. On the punishment thing...I think the not knowing is much harder to deal with. If I told you I was going to punch you at noon tomorrow, you'll be able to brace yourself at the exact time. But if I didn't specify a time, you'll have to be on guard 24/7. Never underestimate the fear of not knowing.
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Re: Religion Thread
« Reply #187 on: Dec 29, 2010, 12:52: PM »
I'd like to know about judaism, hinduism and other religions, but I don't see anyone with knowledge on other religions so I haven't botherd to ask.

Thanks for answering, RF. On the punishment thing...I think the not knowing is much harder to deal with. If I told you I was going to punch you at noon tomorrow, you'll be able to brace yourself at the exact time. But if I didn't specify a time, you'll have to be on guard 24/7. Never underestimate the fear of not knowing.
you're talking about time now. We don't know when we will die, so as a Muslim you must ALWAYS be prepared for the Hereafter.
 
Another example of fear while knowing how you will be punished: If I say if you will commit murder and you have eyes watching you every moment, everywhere, you will be executed by beheading outright, wouldn't that instill fear of committing murder?
Maybe you have a different opinion, but knowing how you will be punished and giving the detail makes me have more fear.

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Re: Religion Thread
« Reply #188 on: Dec 29, 2010, 02:22: PM »
No, no! Time was just part of the example of not knowing when (for that example).
Doesn't matter, carry on.
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Re: Religion Thread
« Reply #189 on: Dec 29, 2010, 02:54: PM »
Because I try to follow the truth, and I believe the Truth is found in Islam. It really doesn't matter where you live or where you're from, you can be a Muslim. It has nothing to do with race.
and also I was born in Saudi Arabia and lived there for 16 years :grin:
you can find a lot of Muslims here in Philippines too, but yeah, majority are catholics

lol so u believe that islam is the only right religion? now thats the sort of bullshit i hate...how do u know islam is the "truth"? What is the truth anyways, if you follow it you must know what it is right?

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Re: Religion Thread
« Reply #190 on: Dec 29, 2010, 03:01: PM »
ooh and one more thing i don't get, why is god GOD if he is only there to punish people? For example, as far as I understand, Royal is following islam because he doesn't want to go through the punishment? Isn't that the main reason? Pardon me if I'm wrong, but all the stuff you say about "Love for Allah" and everything, what is the point of it if you know that he puts people through immense punishment? Sorry if I offended you Royal but that's is what I understood from this, not trying to offend anyone there.

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Re: Religion Thread
« Reply #191 on: Dec 29, 2010, 07:46: PM »
@ Sam
Look at my other posts in this thread, you will find many reasons why at least I believe Islam is the only true religion to be followed

Allah is not god just to punish ppl... He is the Creator, Sustainer, the Most Forgiving, Most Merciful, the only One deserving of worship. This world was created as a chance and a test to see who the rightful heirs of Heaven are. Those who follow in Satan's steps will follow him. Those who shun all illegal desires and sacrifice themselves to the only God, will enter Paradise

and no, I'm not following Islam only coz I fear Allah's punishment. I love Allah because He created me as a human with a choice to make my own path, not as a sheep who is alive to only graze on grass. I love Allah because He gave me a chance to enter Heaven. I love Allah because He created the Heavens and the Earth. I love Allah coz I was created as a healthy human being. I love Allah for guiding me to the True way of Life that is beneficial for all mankind, because he sent Muhammad as a guidance and mercy to mankind.

When someone insults another's mother, that person would get furious. But when someone insults the One who created his mother and fed his mother and brought him to life, then they would be a million times more furious
saying that God has equals is a huge insult to Allah. Allah is not only God of Muslims, but of everything that exists.

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