Religion Thread

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Royal Freakiness i assume you were taught Islam from an early age, no offense but if you were taught any other religion from an early age, you would believe in that too. i mean if your taught to believe something for long enough, your going to believe it right? and the thought of what you have been taught being wrong, surley is impossible to comprehend.

But Factually speaking, we have books etc (bible) written in an age where we did not have as much knowledge as we do now, these days we have a vast knowledge in science, the universe etc etc...

From what i usually see (and i admit i have not read every post in this thread) religious people refuse to acknowledge the views of people who do not believe, I mean they will pretend the acknowledge, but then go back to trying to get you to be religious lol...

I think the fact of the matter is, the idea of religion is great, but in reality unlikely.

[Royal Freakiness]

dude you take me for an ignorant blind follower
As a muslim there is no room for doubt
I don't doubt that Islam is the true religion. NOT because I was taught about Islam from an early age. I have a close American muslim friend who was a christian missionary and did a lot of service for his church since he was in elementary. He has just recently reverted to Islam last year. He also has no doubt that Islam is the Truth. He also studied a lot of hinduism, Judaism and also has some strong atheist friends but is still convinced Islam is the truth.
Not all strong believers are born into their religion

[DanTheMan]

dan, i understand your belief and i respect that you love a peace loving society.
Just an advice, sometimes it's better to be knowledgeable than ignorant. You hope there's a heaven but you don't want to find out if there's a heaven because you think there probably isn't. Why not try and search if there truly is a heaven. Try reading on Islam. If you still don't believe then that's up to you. Just saying.

thats the whole point, u cant find out by reading books and listening to old dudes if theres heaven! u will only find out once u die

[tbc]

question : what do u call people who believe in God but not religion?

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question : what do u call people who believe in God but not religion?

sensible, i think to believe in god is fine, and also what dan says is correct, people choose to believe what is written in a book by a man alive about god, heaven etc... makes no sense

[G-Kid]

dude you take me for an ignorant blind follower
As a muslim there is no room for doubt
I don't doubt that Islam is the true religion. NOT because I was taught about Islam from an early age. I have a close American muslim friend who was a christian missionary and did a lot of service for his church since he was in elementary. He has just recently reverted to Islam last year. He also has no doubt that Islam is the Truth. He also studied a lot of hinduism, Judaism and also has some strong atheist friends but is still convinced Islam is the truth.
Not all strong believers are born into their religion

Thats the most ridicolous generalisation i have ever heard in my entire life.
Just because it happend too your pal, doesnt prove anything.
Im quite sure theres plenty of muslims who beleive that islam isnt the answer, and plenty of islams that have converted too other religions too.
I personally beleive that man made religion out ignorance and fear, the universe as we know it is too complex, the millions of galaxys etc, its just too complicated.
I have no problem with religion tho, apart from when people like you try and force there ideas on other people like your religion is a fact, no religion is a fact, if you want too beleve that, go for it, but you cant go saying this is wrong, and this is wright, let people make there own opinion on things.
Just go get a GF and relax.

[Royal Freakiness]

@ DantheMan -
So what happens if you die and you find you're destiny is hell fire?  
you can't live life ignorantly. You need to have a basis for living.

@ G-man -
I was trying to point out that not all religious ppl are born into religion
I don't doubt that there are Muslims who doubt Islam but does that still make them muslim if they think Islam isn't the answer? If they think so then why do they still believe they're Muslims? You can't be a Muslim just by name or just by being born into it. In the teachings of Islam, one of the articles of faith is NOT doubting your Religion. Which makes sense. And no we don't believe Islam just because it's a religion, we have our example and proofs. Our example, the Prophet (SAW), greatest man to ever set foot on this earth. Successful on both religious level and secular level.
There are millions of converts in Islam who are a million times stronger in faith than millions of Muslims who are born into Islam.
You still think islam is all about blind belief and just bowing down to an invisible god and that economics and the other aspects of life is not from Islam, just common sense.
We have our sources and how to live life.

We are not forcing anyone. BUT, if you want to be a part of our religion and be CALLED a MUSLIM then you HAVE to follow the rules. It's like being in an army but not following the general. or the general not following the higher command. Their will be huge consequences if they don't follow the higher commander.
So if, as a Muslim, you place religion as your top priority because that what happens when you become a Muslim, then why shouldn't you follow the teachings?
It's not right to be called a Muslim and you know what's right and what's wrong in Islam but you're like meh.. I believe christianity is the answer or whatever. THEN GTFO AND GO TO CHRISTIANITY!
and for those asking why is there a corporal punishment when you become an apostate of Islam... why is there are corporal punishment for rebelling against your country?
Just saying.

Peace

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just for the record aswell so everyone knows, i am not against the idea of religion, just believe a lot of there views to be dated, at the same time religion does give a lot of good things, and i certainly wont like/dislike anyone because of it, i like to be quite open minded aswell and not focus on one religion.

on the other hand if there was a god, i doubt that if you were a good person, but were not religious would mean that you would go to hell.

tough call really, cos at the en dof the day, nobody can be sure of the correct answer, its all about belief, and different people think in different ways, which to be fair is what makes things great on here, different views, different ways of looking at things, different opinions.

[Royal Freakiness]

just for the record aswell so everyone knows, i am not against the idea of religion, just believe a lot of there views to be dated, at the same time religion does give a lot of good things, and i certainly wont like/dislike anyone because of it, i like to be quite open minded aswell and not focus on one religion.

on the other hand if there was a god, i doubt that if you were a good person, but were not religious would mean that you would go to hell.

tough call really, cos at the en dof the day, nobody can be sure of the correct answer, its all about belief, and different people think in different ways, which to be fair is what makes things great on here, different views, different ways of looking at things, different opinions.

Islam's point of view: Belief before action. Without intention to do a good action for the sake of Allah, the deed is useless.

As Muslims we should respect all people. We're not even allowed to curse the non-Muslims unless we are face to face on the battlefield, as in right in front of each other, each of us holding a gun etc.
Search for the truth, read on other religions too, it's really your call and your decision. Your life, not mine.
Muslims are obliged to deliver the message of Islam in order to guide people, but whether or not they believe, it's their choice. I'm just trying to do my part 
seriously, I think we need the simple emoticon...

[L_I_S]

From what i usually see (and i admit i have not read every post in this thread) religious people refuse to acknowledge the views of people who do not believe, I mean they will pretend the acknowledge, but then go back to trying to get you to be religious lol...

In general, it's the same for atheists aswell.

question : what do u call people who believe in God but not religion?

sensible, i think to believe in god is fine, and also what dan says is correct, people choose to believe what is written in a book by a man alive about god, heaven etc... makes no sense

lol, don't be a smartass. 
It's called being a theist, tbc.

Here's some more 'FYI' stuff. From what I've been told, it's part of some religions to try to convert as many people to their religion. It's like don't steal, don't kill...try to convince people to follow your religion.

Another thing, why is it that people assume that if they're wrong about being an atheist and that there is a God, that there probably is a heaven and hell?

[G-Kid]

Royal, There is no such thing as proof.

Can i bring you back to when that baby in russia had "Tatoos/Birthmarks" from Allah.
The first thing you did was post on the forum saying how much this proved Islam was true and that its a warning from Allah.
It was child abuse, and you embarrased yourself there, just like you are now.
So how do you expect me to take your opinion on faith as fact? When that so called "Fact" was so far of true.

[tbc]

From what i usually see (and i admit i have not read every post in this thread) religious people refuse to acknowledge the views of people who do not believe, I mean they will pretend the acknowledge, but then go back to trying to get you to be religious lol...

In general, it's the same for atheists aswell.

question : what do u call people who believe in God but not religion?

sensible, i think to believe in god is fine, and also what dan says is correct, people choose to believe what is written in a book by a man alive about god, heaven etc... makes no sense

lol, don't be a smartass. 
It's called being a theist, tbc.

Here's some more 'FYI' stuff. From what I've been told, it's part of some religions to try to convert as many people to their religion. It's like don't steal, don't kill...try to convince people to follow your religion.

Another thing, why is it that people assume that if they're wrong about being an atheist and that there is a God, that there probably is a heaven and hell?

good question..interesting..
thanks for the answer, so God believing are theists and those who believe in religion are...non secular?