Religion Thread

[L_I_S]

Yes, like pigs.
And dude, those vids are way too long, can't you just give us the jist[sp?] of them?

[Royal Freakiness]

What about pigs? we don't eat them, we don't care for them. they're dirty animals who live on dirt  
Question answered in Islamic website
A Christian is asking about the reason for the prohibition on pork
Why does Islam forbid pork, when the pig is one of the creations of God?.

http://islamqa.com/en/ref/12558/
Isn’t pork forbidden in the Old Testament which forms part of your Holy Book?

“Do not eat any detestable thing. These are the animals you may eat… The pig is also unclean; although it has a split hoof, it does not chew the cud, you are not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses.”

(Deuteronomy 14:3-8)

in the third video he gives a lot of facts about christianity, showing that some of the true message was changed, how christianity is not consistent with it's teachings etc... I've seen the video more than a year ago so I can't remember the specifics.
if you're really interested about learning the truth, then watch it lol. Also, watch the video on how he became Muslim. It's somewhere in the related stuff. he's a doctor of divinity in harvard and was christian minister who, by Allah's Will, reverted to Islam. He knows his stuff well.

[L_I_S]

Isn’t pork forbidden in the Old Testament which forms part of your Holy Book?

Implying I follow any holy book.

I read most of the reasoning, but why pigs and not cows or sheep[I think sheeps live on the same 'dirt']? I understand that it's not all that healthy, but there are alot of foods that aren't healthy either, but I don't think that all of those have been ruled out too.

Damiano, there is no agnostic by itself. It has to be either agnostic theist or agnostic atheist.

Also, I'm just asking because I want to know, I'm not trying to say one way is correct or wrong...like some of the more ruder people!

[G-Kid]

There is no god, that has been proving by the worlds smartest man, Steven Hawking, who has triple the IQ and Knowledge than any of you, so royal, you are wrong, that is a simple fact.
But theres nothing wrong with beleving in religion, if it benefits your life go for it, most people that have cancer or serious diseases, the ones that beleive in god tend too have a higher survival rate, which is got alot more too do with the placbo affect and the nervous system, but if you genuiley beleive that Mr. Hawkings is wrong, then you too close minded.

[Ricke]

The difference between science and your "holy books" is that science shows pure facts.

@ Lis the reason they don't eat pork is because when the Quran was written pigs carried alot of diseases. This caused alot of deaths.

Because they didn't have much knowledge back then they thought it was a sign from God that they shouldn't be touching or eating this animal.

I could be wrong though.. just my theory.

[L_I_S]

There is no god, that has been proving by the worlds smartest man, Steven Hawking, who has triple the IQ and Knowledge than any of you, so royal, you are wrong, that is a simple fact.
But theres nothing wrong with beleving in religion, if it benefits your life go for it, most people that have cancer or serious diseases, the ones that beleive in god tend too have a higher survival rate, which is got alot more too do with the placbo affect and the nervous system, but if you genuiley beleive that Mr. Hawkings is wrong, then you too close minded.

I think you are the one being close minded and arrogant with your placebo comments. You clearly don't understand that religion is built on faith and not facts. If faith is attempted to be proven as fact, the 'faith' part is gone and is no longer a belief.
Anyway, could you post the link to the disproofing of God.
What do you believe regarding the creation of everything?

@Ricke: Thanks, that sounds like a logical explanation.

[Ricke]

G-man is probably talking about the new book Hawking released: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Design_(book)

It's supposed to prove that because of the law of gravity the universe can create itself from nothing.
I have not read it, but it does seem like an interesting book.

Anyway, even if there were proof it would not stop people from believing. (Which is fine and I understand why).

[G-Kid]

There is no god, that has been proving by the worlds smartest man, Steven Hawking, who has triple the IQ and Knowledge than any of you, so royal, you are wrong, that is a simple fact.
But theres nothing wrong with beleving in religion, if it benefits your life go for it, most people that have cancer or serious diseases, the ones that beleive in god tend too have a higher survival rate, which is got alot more too do with the placbo affect and the nervous system, but if you genuiley beleive that Mr. Hawkings is wrong, then you too close minded.

I think you are the one being close minded and arrogant with your placebo comments. You clearly don't understand that religion is built on faith and not facts. If faith is attempted to be proven as fact, the 'faith' part is gone and is no longer a belief.
Anyway, could you post the link to the disproofing of God.
What do you believe regarding the creation of everything?

@Ricke: Thanks, that sounds like a logical explanation.

Im not being closeminded, im just well educated on the topic.
Religion should be based on facts, otherwise there should be no beleif, thats utter nonsense im sorry.
The placebo affect is a "fact", not an opinion, a scientifically proven fact.
The placebo affect is the strongest healing power known too man, more powerfull than any form of medicine.
Do what your want, im happy you or whoever else believes in religion, religion unites people, and can change peoples lifes in amazing ways, i wish i was a religious person, but i was never raised that way, ive got no problem with it! DO WATCHA WANT!

[Royal Freakiness]

we're just discussing damiano lol
not trying to cause a beyondfootball holy war 

anyways
g-kid
have you seen the video I posted in my first post? it should interest atheists
/watch?v=YI9owlpOQl0

I haven't read that book that hawking just wrote, but what came before the laws of physics if physics can create the most perfect designs... is it just pure chance that physics created the system of the universe? try to watch the video even if it's 2 hours long 

[L_I_S]

There is no god, that has been proving by the worlds smartest man, Steven Hawking, who has triple the IQ and Knowledge than any of you, so royal, you are wrong, that is a simple fact.
But theres nothing wrong with beleving in religion, if it benefits your life go for it, most people that have cancer or serious diseases, the ones that beleive in god tend too have a higher survival rate, which is got alot more too do with the placbo affect and the nervous system, but if you genuiley beleive that Mr. Hawkings is wrong, then you too close minded.

I think you are the one being close minded and arrogant with your placebo comments. You clearly don't understand that religion is built on faith and not facts. If faith is attempted to be proven as fact, the 'faith' part is gone and is no longer a belief.
Anyway, could you post the link to the disproofing of God.
What do you believe regarding the creation of everything?

@Ricke: Thanks, that sounds like a logical explanation.

Im not being closeminded, im just well educated on the topic.
Religion should be based on facts, otherwise there should be no beleif, thats utter nonsense im sorry.
The placebo affect is a "fact", not an opinion, a scientifically proven fact.
The placebo affect is the strongest healing power known too man, more powerfull than any form of medicine.
Do what your want, im happy you or whoever else believes in religion, religion unites people, and can change peoples lifes in amazing ways, i wish i was a religious person, but i was never raised that way, ive got no problem with it! DO WATCHA WANT!

There you go, you've done it again. I'm not going to argue anything with you for you are much too close minded to even realise that your mind is completely closed to all other ideas. And fwiw, I am not religious. You've presumed this because I have kept an open mind about everything in this topic thus far, except for what you've been saying.


@Damiano: Assuming you know what agnostic is, agnostic  theist would you believe in one form of a higher dietry and atheist would agnostic atheist would not.

[Ricke]

we're just discussing damiano lol
not trying to cause a beyondfootball holy war 

anyways
g-kid
have you seen the video I posted in my first post? it should interest atheists
/watch?v=YI9owlpOQl0

I haven't read that book that hawking just wrote, but what came before the laws of physics if physics can create the most perfect designs... is it just pure chance that physics created the system of the universe? try to watch the video even if it's 2 hours long 

But what came before God then?

[Royal Freakiness]

watch the video in my first post and you will get the answer. very clear answer.