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Re: Touzani lp
« Reply #48 on: Aug 28, 2009, 08:07: AM »


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I'd realy like to see you do that so I'll have an idea. Because air combos, IMO, can never be entertaining. The 2: hardcore and entertaining just doesn't mix.
People should have respect for both, but non freestylers will always love Sean and Jeon Kwon more than Skora in an lp, that is also a fact.

So much bull its untrue.

Ok, For a start, Today my freinds was watching some videos on my ipod, They watched Abdullah, Jk, Jolter etc

And the persons video that they reacted to the most was azun air combos.

I remember doing a street show with oLi, and New shit, and tatw amatw matw nt, got a bigger reaction than soles.

Also, Look at RBSS Hungary, Fx won, Raped Petike in the final, even though petike pulled off all theese lp and tricks, and incredible sits and uppers.

If your going to be sucessfull with airmoves, your going to have to work hard, but it can be done, its all about being consistent and stylish.

I know for a fact, Patw gets a bigger reaction compared to any other trick.

People who say that airmoves arent entertaining, just say that because there to lazy to get theres too and impressive level.

However, All round FTW baby.

I don't really want to drag myself further into the argument, so may be i'll post only several things:
- TATW AMATW MATW nt and New Sh!t can be very effective in the first time, but on many times of repeats, it'll become boring to the untrained eyes.
- RBSS Hungary compose of a nice jury of 2 freestylers: Palle, Daniel, combining with a crowd of combo lovers and airmove experts, so that's why when they see Petike pulling off Abdullah - soles they did cheer, but Fx PATW combo got a louder cheer than anyone else. One of the ways for the judges to judge is to look at the crowd's reactions.
- That's why in almost every other RBSS competitions, those other guys often win. Even in Brazil last year, Murilo is a Brazillian and beat Palle using air combos and crowd reaction (no offense but he's Brazillian after all), but when he got Sean, the moves of the French is just way too entertaining, and create a lasting effect into even the finals. I think that's why Sean won the whole thing.
- PATW can get the greatest crowd reaction, true, but only to those who know how hard it is. I remember looking at one PATW soooooo smooth in lp, by whom I don't remember, but the crowd didn't cheer at all as they thought it was a LATW, which the freestyler did so many in that lp already, which sucks bad i know. :down:
- To practice airmoves, you'll need more than just practice, you'll need the proper conditions of the body also. Everybody got a different body setting, that's why not all of us are good at combos. I remember seeing Ecuabol in Atlanta, he told me he didn't even try Skora ATW before in his life, but he did it in like the 2nd time trying it. :rolleyes: To me, doing a combo of 2 half ATWs can be hard stuff, and I've been trying that for ages now.

- That's some of the evidences backing my hypotheses up. Many will disagree fasho, but anyway that's just my opinion, and I'll change it when evidences go otherwise. 
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Re: Touzani lp
« Reply #49 on: Aug 28, 2009, 08:22: AM »


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I'd realy like to see you do that so I'll have an idea. Because air combos, IMO, can never be entertaining. The 2: hardcore and entertaining just doesn't mix.
People should have respect for both, but non freestylers will always love Sean and Jeon Kwon more than Skora in an lp, that is also a fact.

So much bull its untrue.

Ok, For a start, Today my freinds was watching some videos on my ipod, They watched Abdullah, Jk, Jolter etc

And the persons video that they reacted to the most was azun air combos.

I remember doing a street show with oLi, and New shit, and tatw amatw matw nt, got a bigger reaction than soles.

Also, Look at RBSS Hungary, Fx won, Raped Petike in the final, even though petike pulled off all theese lp and tricks, and incredible sits and uppers.

If your going to be sucessfull with airmoves, your going to have to work hard, but it can be done, its all about being consistent and stylish.

I know for a fact, Patw gets a bigger reaction compared to any other trick.

People who say that airmoves arent entertaining, just say that because there to lazy to get theres too and impressive level.

However, All round FTW baby.

I don't really want to drag myself further into the argument, so may be i'll post only several things:
- TATW AMATW MATW nt and New Sh!t can be very effective in the first time, but on many times of repeats, it'll become boring to the untrained eyes.

- RBSS Hungary compose of a nice jury of 2 freestylers: Palle, Daniel, combining with a crowd of combo lovers and airmove experts, so that's why when they see Petike pulling off Abdullah - soles they did cheer, but Fx PATW combo got a louder cheer than anyone else. One of the ways for the judges to judge is to look at the crowd's reactions.
- That's why in almost every other RBSS competitions, those other guys often win. Even in Brazil last year, Murilo is a Brazillian and beat Palle using air combos and crowd reaction (no offense but he's Brazillian after all), but when he got Sean, the moves of the French is just way too entertaining, and create a lasting effect into even the finals. I think that's why Sean won the whole thing.
- PATW can get the greatest crowd reaction, true, but only to those who know how hard it is. I remember looking at one PATW soooooo smooth in lp, by whom I don't remember, but the crowd didn't cheer at all as they thought it was a LATW, which the freestyler did so many in that lp already, which sucks bad i know. :down:
- To practice airmoves, you'll need more than just practice, you'll need the proper conditions of the body also. Everybody got a different body setting, that's why not all of us are good at combos. I remember seeing Ecuabol in Atlanta, he told me he didn't even try Skora ATW before in his life, but he did it in like the 2nd time trying it. :rolleyes: To me, doing a combo of 2 half ATWs can be hard stuff, and I've been trying that for ages now.

- That's some of the evidences backing my hypotheses up. Many will disagree fasho, but anyway that's just my opinion, and I'll change it when evidences go otherwise. 

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Re: Touzani lp
« Reply #50 on: Aug 28, 2009, 08:38: AM »
can someone please train my eyes  :down:

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Re: Touzani lp
« Reply #51 on: Aug 28, 2009, 12:07: PM »
can someone please train my eyes  :down:

you are an expert at air combos, your eyes are trained already. I'm talking about the general audience.



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I'd realy like to see you do that so I'll have an idea. Because air combos, IMO, can never be entertaining. The 2: hardcore and entertaining just doesn't mix.
People should have respect for both, but non freestylers will always love Sean and Jeon Kwon more than Skora in an lp, that is also a fact.

So much bull its untrue.

Ok, For a start, Today my freinds was watching some videos on my ipod, They watched Abdullah, Jk, Jolter etc

And the persons video that they reacted to the most was azun air combos.

I remember doing a street show with oLi, and New shit, and tatw amatw matw nt, got a bigger reaction than soles.

Also, Look at RBSS Hungary, Fx won, Raped Petike in the final, even though petike pulled off all theese lp and tricks, and incredible sits and uppers.

If your going to be sucessfull with airmoves, your going to have to work hard, but it can be done, its all about being consistent and stylish.

I know for a fact, Patw gets a bigger reaction compared to any other trick.

People who say that airmoves arent entertaining, just say that because there to lazy to get theres too and impressive level.

However, All round FTW baby.

I don't really want to drag myself further into the argument, so may be i'll post only several things:
- TATW AMATW MATW nt and New Sh!t can be very effective in the first time, but on many times of repeats, it'll become boring to the untrained eyes.

- RBSS Hungary compose of a nice jury of 2 freestylers: Palle, Daniel, combining with a crowd of combo lovers and airmove experts, so that's why when they see Petike pulling off Abdullah - soles they did cheer, but Fx PATW combo got a louder cheer than anyone else. One of the ways for the judges to judge is to look at the crowd's reactions.
- That's why in almost every other RBSS competitions, those other guys often win. Even in Brazil last year, Murilo is a Brazillian and beat Palle using air combos and crowd reaction (no offense but he's Brazillian after all), but when he got Sean, the moves of the French is just way too entertaining, and create a lasting effect into even the finals. I think that's why Sean won the whole thing.
- PATW can get the greatest crowd reaction, true, but only to those who know how hard it is. I remember looking at one PATW soooooo smooth in lp, by whom I don't remember, but the crowd didn't cheer at all as they thought it was a LATW, which the freestyler did so many in that lp already, which sucks bad i know. :down:
- To practice airmoves, you'll need more than just practice, you'll need the proper conditions of the body also. Everybody got a different body setting, that's why not all of us are good at combos. I remember seeing Ecuabol in Atlanta, he told me he didn't even try Skora ATW before in his life, but he did it in like the 2nd time trying it. :rolleyes: To me, doing a combo of 2 half ATWs can be hard stuff, and I've been trying that for ages now.

- That's some of the evidences backing my hypotheses up. Many will disagree fasho, but anyway that's just my opinion, and I'll change it when evidences go otherwise. 

same with ALL tricks

some do, some don't. Magnetic looks good even after many times.
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Re: Touzani lp
« Reply #52 on: Aug 28, 2009, 11:54: PM »


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I'd realy like to see you do that so I'll have an idea. Because air combos, IMO, can never be entertaining. The 2: hardcore and entertaining just doesn't mix.
People should have respect for both, but non freestylers will always love Sean and Jeon Kwon more than Skora in an lp, that is also a fact.

So much bull its untrue.

Ok, For a start, Today my freinds was watching some videos on my ipod, They watched Abdullah, Jk, Jolter etc

And the persons video that they reacted to the most was azun air combos.

I remember doing a street show with oLi, and New shit, and tatw amatw matw nt, got a bigger reaction than soles.

Also, Look at RBSS Hungary, Fx won, Raped Petike in the final, even though petike pulled off all theese lp and tricks, and incredible sits and uppers.

If your going to be sucessfull with airmoves, your going to have to work hard, but it can be done, its all about being consistent and stylish.

I know for a fact, Patw gets a bigger reaction compared to any other trick.

People who say that airmoves arent entertaining, just say that because there to lazy to get theres too and impressive level.

However, All round FTW baby.

I don't really want to drag myself further into the argument, so may be i'll post only several things:
- TATW AMATW MATW nt and New Sh!t can be very effective in the first time, but on many times of repeats, it'll become boring to the untrained eyes.
- RBSS Hungary compose of a nice jury of 2 freestylers: Palle, Daniel, combining with a crowd of combo lovers and airmove experts, so that's why when they see Petike pulling off Abdullah - soles they did cheer, but Fx PATW combo got a louder cheer than anyone else. One of the ways for the judges to judge is to look at the crowd's reactions.
- That's why in almost every other RBSS competitions, those other guys often win. Even in Brazil last year, Murilo is a Brazillian and beat Palle using air combos and crowd reaction (no offense but he's Brazillian after all), but when he got Sean, the moves of the French is just way too entertaining, and create a lasting effect into even the finals. I think that's why Sean won the whole thing.
- PATW can get the greatest crowd reaction, true, but only to those who know how hard it is. I remember looking at one PATW soooooo smooth in lp, by whom I don't remember, but the crowd didn't cheer at all as they thought it was a LATW, which the freestyler did so many in that lp already, which sucks bad i know. :down:
- To practice airmoves, you'll need more than just practice, you'll need the proper conditions of the body also. Everybody got a different body setting, that's why not all of us are good at combos. I remember seeing Ecuabol in Atlanta, he told me he didn't even try Skora ATW before in his life, but he did it in like the 2nd time trying it. :rolleyes: To me, doing a combo of 2 half ATWs can be hard stuff, and I've been trying that for ages now.

- That's some of the evidences backing my hypotheses up. Many will disagree fasho, but anyway that's just my opinion, and I'll change it when evidences go otherwise. 

This talk made me think of an interview with a young popper I saw talking to an experienced professional group of poppers, they said the most important tip to give him was that for a performance to be entertaining it must have as much variaty as possible. And I think the same thing aplies to any type of performance.

Aircombos can impress a lot, actually more than most other stuff from what I've seen, and now I'm talking about non fsers reactions. but the thing is a lot of fsers maybe do them 2 much in lps, for example they start with an atw-htw combo, do some upper, then another atw htw combo, then sits then another airmove combo etc. this way even if the last combo is really hardcore maybe containing a couple of alatws and nts the crowd will not be as entertained cuz it looks so similar to the combos they've seen bfore, but if they only had 1 or 2 aircombos in the lp and pulled off they're best stuff it would probably give a much better reaction then if they had already done an atw htw combo before.

Finally I don't see why any1 has 2 choose between doing hardcore tricks and more entertainment based stuff in an lp, in fact I think the coolest thing even for the crowd would be to do both. its up 2 every1 what they wanna put in a show but this would be my idea of an ultimate performance

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Re: Touzani lp
« Reply #53 on: Aug 28, 2009, 11:57: PM »


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I'd realy like to see you do that so I'll have an idea. Because air combos, IMO, can never be entertaining. The 2: hardcore and entertaining just doesn't mix.
People should have respect for both, but non freestylers will always love Sean and Jeon Kwon more than Skora in an lp, that is also a fact.

So much bull its untrue.

Ok, For a start, Today my freinds was watching some videos on my ipod, They watched Abdullah, Jk, Jolter etc

And the persons video that they reacted to the most was azun air combos.

I remember doing a street show with oLi, and New shit, and tatw amatw matw nt, got a bigger reaction than soles.

Also, Look at RBSS Hungary, Fx won, Raped Petike in the final, even though petike pulled off all theese lp and tricks, and incredible sits and uppers.

If your going to be sucessfull with airmoves, your going to have to work hard, but it can be done, its all about being consistent and stylish.

I know for a fact, Patw gets a bigger reaction compared to any other trick.

People who say that airmoves arent entertaining, just say that because there to lazy to get theres too and impressive level.

However, All round FTW baby.

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Re: Touzani lp
« Reply #54 on: Aug 29, 2009, 12:09: AM »
can someone please train my eyes  :down:

you are an expert at air combos, your eyes are trained already. I'm talking about the general audience.



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I'd realy like to see you do that so I'll have an idea. Because air combos, IMO, can never be entertaining. The 2: hardcore and entertaining just doesn't mix.
People should have respect for both, but non freestylers will always love Sean and Jeon Kwon more than Skora in an lp, that is also a fact.

So much bull its untrue.

Ok, For a start, Today my freinds was watching some videos on my ipod, They watched Abdullah, Jk, Jolter etc

And the persons video that they reacted to the most was azun air combos.

I remember doing a street show with oLi, and New shit, and tatw amatw matw nt, got a bigger reaction than soles.

Also, Look at RBSS Hungary, Fx won, Raped Petike in the final, even though petike pulled off all theese lp and tricks, and incredible sits and uppers.

If your going to be sucessfull with airmoves, your going to have to work hard, but it can be done, its all about being consistent and stylish.

I know for a fact, Patw gets a bigger reaction compared to any other trick.

People who say that airmoves arent entertaining, just say that because there to lazy to get theres too and impressive level.

However, All round FTW baby.

I don't really want to drag myself further into the argument, so may be i'll post only several things:
- TATW AMATW MATW nt and New Sh!t can be very effective in the first time, but on many times of repeats, it'll become boring to the untrained eyes.

- RBSS Hungary compose of a nice jury of 2 freestylers: Palle, Daniel, combining with a crowd of combo lovers and airmove experts, so that's why when they see Petike pulling off Abdullah - soles they did cheer, but Fx PATW combo got a louder cheer than anyone else. One of the ways for the judges to judge is to look at the crowd's reactions.
- That's why in almost every other RBSS competitions, those other guys often win. Even in Brazil last year, Murilo is a Brazillian and beat Palle using air combos and crowd reaction (no offense but he's Brazillian after all), but when he got Sean, the moves of the French is just way too entertaining, and create a lasting effect into even the finals. I think that's why Sean won the whole thing.
- PATW can get the greatest crowd reaction, true, but only to those who know how hard it is. I remember looking at one PATW soooooo smooth in lp, by whom I don't remember, but the crowd didn't cheer at all as they thought it was a LATW, which the freestyler did so many in that lp already, which sucks bad i know. :down:
- To practice airmoves, you'll need more than just practice, you'll need the proper conditions of the body also. Everybody got a different body setting, that's why not all of us are good at combos. I remember seeing Ecuabol in Atlanta, he told me he didn't even try Skora ATW before in his life, but he did it in like the 2nd time trying it. :rolleyes: To me, doing a combo of 2 half ATWs can be hard stuff, and I've been trying that for ages now.

- That's some of the evidences backing my hypotheses up. Many will disagree fasho, but anyway that's just my opinion, and I'll change it when evidences go otherwise. 

same with ALL tricks

some do, some don't. Magnetic looks good even after many times.

now you are talking about 'Looking good'..... If you do magnetics too much on a lp that will becomes boring aswell,,,,, variaty is the key just as Jonnyboy said!
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Re: Touzani lp
« Reply #55 on: Aug 29, 2009, 12:33: AM »
I think, when it comes to airmoves in a lp. Mostly it goes so fast so people don't really realise what happend or how hard it is and as said before alot of it looks the same.

I think people find it more entertaining if you try to do the airmoves slowly and as relaxed as possible.
The best thing imo is just to have alot of variation, only sitdowns or upper in a lp would get boring after a while as well.
I think it's important not to rush through every move if you want to impress a crowd and do stuff that looks hard but it isn't actually once youve learnt it.

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Re: Touzani lp
« Reply #56 on: Aug 29, 2009, 01:02: AM »
------Practise freestyle to entertaing people who dont know anything about it-------


is this really your freestyle goal,guys?yes??cool...go busking,get performances,go to circus,make yourself a public entertainer or whatever
but STOP claiming SHOW is the most importang thing and stuff like that


if not
lets make it a sport!!!!
where real skills level will be admired and there will be lot of space for being creative and innovative

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Re: Touzani lp
« Reply #57 on: Aug 29, 2009, 01:03: AM »
------Practise freestyle to entertaing people who dont know anything about it-------


is this really your freestyle goal,guys?yes??cool...go busking,get performances,go to circus,make yourself a public entertainer or whatever
but STOP claiming SHOW is the most importang thing and stuff like that


if not
lets make it a sport!!!!
where real skills level will be admired and there will be lot of space for being creative and innovative

YEEEEEEEAAAH! For the 1st time I totally agree with you!!

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Re: Touzani lp
« Reply #58 on: Aug 29, 2009, 01:04: AM »
------Practise freestyle to entertaing people who dont know anything about it-------


is this really your freestyle goal,guys?yes??cool...go busking,get performances,go to circus,make yourself a public entertainer or whatever
but STOP claiming SHOW is the most importang thing and stuff like that


if not
lets make it a sport!!!!
where real skills level will be admired and there will be lot of space for being creative and innovative


well said!  :thumbsup:
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Re: Touzani lp
« Reply #59 on: Aug 29, 2009, 01:05: AM »
------Practise freestyle to entertaing people who dont know anything about it-------


is this really your freestyle goal,guys?yes??cool...go busking,get performances,go to circus,make yourself a public entertainer or whatever
but STOP claiming SHOW is the most importang thing and stuff like that


if not
lets make it a sport!!!!
where real skills level will be admired and there will be lot of space for being creative and innovative

YEEEEEEEAAAH! For the 1st time I totally agree with you!!
YEEES:))
freestyle has no future if we keep on doin SILLY street shows and make ourselfs STUPID BALL JUGGLERS
lets make it known as a SPORT