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General Category => General Chat => Topic started by: cigar omar on Jul 15, 2008, 11:47: PM
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I was walking around today and walked into the wrong building turned out it was a Gym/ some kind of Dojo. In a secluded type place like Rockey I was about to just turn around and walk out. Than I bumped into an old buddy of mine asked him what he was doing in there he was like I train here, laughed at him and clowned him for a bit than sat down and started watching these cats go at it.
At first these dudes where wrestling each other grappling, locking and getting on the ground sweating all over each other looked kind of homo erotic, I was laughing at dukes. Than I realized after about 40 seconds every fight goes to the ground even on the street and the ground is where the ones that know what to do win it. I talked with the trainer and he was telling me that he offers Brazilian Jujitsu, Muya Thai, Wrestling and Boxing ect. I'm personally a big boxing fan always wanted to do boxing all my fighting methods what I've learned and observed from boxing. Brazilian Jujitsu looks kinda gay tho but I know its probably the most effective, wouldn't mind trying Muya Thai and Wrestling is probably pretty much out of the question.
Interestingly enough the night before that I got into a pretty messy street fight with some fool but couldn't finish him off due to lack of sharpness, stamina and fatigue. My ducking, dodging and blocking of his punches where excellent and I was connecting him with some heavy ones but I couldn't follow up with combinations and knock him out. In the end I a fight I could have easily won turned out a very messy one. Right now I feel sorry for the next person I get into a fight with I'm cuz definitely gonna be on some bloodsport shit.
I'm thinking of joining up and doing Muya Thai and BJJ on different nights of the week or Just concentrate on boxing alone. I'm a bit unsure yet. Any ideas for those of you who might train already which one is probably the most effective or the best.
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what are ur goals for getting into this shit?
sport fighting? (as in, doing this only for the ring/octagon/cage)
practical street fighting and/or self defence? (as in, anything goes street shit)
health, fitness and conditioning?
for fun?
discipline or tradition? (which is probably what ur not goin fer considering the styles u've mentioned)
i can suggest a few of the best types for whatever ur interested in if u tell me wut u want out of this.
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on the streets the last thing u wanna do is go to the ground. in a single takedown alone the fight could be over because of a very hard concrete or asphalt surface, or because of any number of possible foreign objects that could be lying about (ie. shards of broken glass).
plus, while it may be useful to learn BJJ or wrestling techniques, in the streets, anything goes. and when anything goes, it's not exactly the best idea to WANT to get closer to him and wrestle around with a guy on the ground. there are any number of things he can do such as using a weapon, fish hooking, grabbing a chunk of flesh, grabbing ur trachea, poking out ur eyes, grabbing or striking ur groin, downward elbows or rabbit punches, or he could even bite you. BJJ prevails in UFC because all those things are outlawed. in the streets, it can still work but you have to be MUCH smarter about it.
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w/e floats ur boat :thumbsup:
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ill give u a fight melbourne :boxing: , u shud see my guns, i took gold in wrestling lst year at the........ paralympics :lol:
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here's my take on each of the arts, BJJ, MT, wrestling and boxing.
BJJ
good for sports fighting, because of the reasons outlined above. it can get you VERY fit as mostly all BJJ practitioners are excellent athletes. useful ground tactics and sometimes even in a standing fight it can be good to know the types of chokes and holds they teach. but u don't want this as a primary fighting style when street fighting. only as something to support ur skills on the side.
muay thai
one of the best striking styles. a lot of power, and will get u really fit and conditioned. the punching may be slightly weak, but u learn elbows, knees, and kicks very well. it's also good cuz u'll learn to fight in a clinch which can be useful for practical fighting. but again, this is a ring sport 99% of the times. if u want to learn practical street fighting, this can be definitely useful but there are better ways. remember, there is no honour on the streets.
wrestling
very good for learning takedowns and how to gain an advantageous position on the ground. there is a lack of finishing maneuvers tho. i've seen a grappling match between a BJJ guy and a wrestling guy at my martial arts club, and the wrestling guy took him down and had him pinned. the BJJ guy went straight into a guard. the wrestling guy had no idea how to finish him off. again it's very good for sport, for getting fit and conditioned, and some useful grappling skills, but nothing beyond that if u really wanna learn how to fight. something to complement ur skills, not to be ur primary style... unless of course u love wrestling in which case go all out. same goes for anything else here.
boxing
teaches u great punching, movement, footwork, and etc. but the problem is u only learn punching skills. a boxer is a boxer, not a fighter. an average kickboxer could easily take out a good boxer... altho a good kickboxer would lose to an average boxer in a boxing match. again, something to complement ur overall techniques but not to be the one and only main thing.
if u wanna be an average sport fighter, go to that place and take a buncha things at once.
if u wanna be really good, i suggest u go to specialized schools where they only teach BJJ or only teach MT or etc., and get good at each individually and branch out from there. most MMA places that teach all those things at once, don't ever teach properly. it's more like a fitness gym that teaches u a few tricks and u get to have a protein shake afterwards... not good for beginners.
if u wanna be a good fighter on the streets, u can still go with this but i suggest u take a look at different options.
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Boxing is obviously the best type for beating a fucker on the street. But might not be the funnest to practise.
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Boxing is obviously the best type for beating a fucker on the street. But might not be the funnest to practise.
boxers are boxers, not fighters. consider this... they only use their arms. not only that, there's no grappling, only striking. not only that, they only use their hands (no elbows). not only that, they can only punch (no palm strikes, finger jabs, or any other number of hand techniques. there are COUNTLESS techniques involving the hands). and not only that, they are always separated if they get into a clinch. not only that, they only fight from the waist up. not only that, u can't fight a guy who gets to the ground.
and nowadays, martial arts and mixed martial arts is becoming more and more popular all the time. chances are, more ppl will know how to fight in different styles. if u only box and come up against a fucker who's an average wing chun practitioner for example, ur fucked.
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id go for kickboxing
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Owen4ever makes some astute points. One thing I wqould think about is doing japanese style karate/grappling because it is very versatile and can be a merger into other styles like muy thai and bjj. I've done 8 years of karate-do and judo and I've learned loads of useful strikes and takedowns. If you're a reflexes-quickness kind of fighter as opposed to a brute strength fighter, I would recommend a combination of the aforementioned styles. I've learned both submission and finishing, so, although Judo may be less effective a grappling style than bjj, it still suffices. Furthermore, judo focusses more on throws, which would tend to end a fight in the street as owen pointed out. Just some stuff to think about.
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Owen4ever makes some astute points. One thing I wqould think about is doing japanese style karate/grappling because it is very versatile and can be a merger into other styles like muy thai and bjj. I've done 8 years of karate-do and judo and I've learned loads of useful strikes and takedowns. If you're a reflexes-quickness kind of fighter as opposed to a brute strength fighter, I would recommend a combination of the aforementioned styles. I've learned both submission and finishing, so, although Judo may be less effective a grappling style than bjj, it still suffices. Furthermore, judo focusses more on throws, which would tend to end a fight in the street as owen pointed out. Just some stuff to think about.
i'm personally not a big fan of karate. it depends on the dojo. some places will teach very well but 90% of the karate i see out there is the typical community centre karate for kids with a white guy that doesn't kno shit running the class just because he's maybe 1st or 2nd degree black belt. that really gives me a negative outlook on this but i do admit, if u find the right dojo to train in, it can be very good.
but for practical street fighting i think i'd prefer to learn some things along the lines of krav maga, wing chun, hapkido, jeet kune do, and etc.
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muay thai. go to a few bjj classes.
remember that you will be held to a much higher legal standard as a "trained fighter."
but for practical street fighting i think i'd prefer to learn some things along the lines of krav maga, wing chun, hapkido, jeet kune do, and etc.
that's not practical for "melbourne"
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what are ur goals for getting into this shit?
sport fighting? (as in, doing this only for the ring/octagon/cage)
practical street fighting and/or self defence? (as in, anything goes street shit)
health, fitness and conditioning?
for fun?
discipline or tradition? (which is probably what ur not goin fer considering the styles u've mentioned)
i can suggest a few of the best types for whatever ur interested in if u tell me wut u want out of this.
ps
on the streets the last thing u wanna do is go to the ground. in a single takedown alone the fight could be over because of a very hard concrete or asphalt surface, or because of any number of possible foreign objects that could be lying about (ie. shards of broken glass).
plus, while it may be useful to learn BJJ or wrestling techniques, in the streets, anything goes. and when anything goes, it's not exactly the best idea to WANT to get closer to him and wrestle around with a guy on the ground. there are any number of things he can do such as using a weapon, fish hooking, grabbing a chunk of flesh, grabbing ur trachea, poking out ur eyes, grabbing or striking ur groin, downward elbows or rabbit punches, or he could even bite you. BJJ prevails in UFC because all those things are outlawed. in the streets, it can still work but you have to be MUCH smarter about it.
My goals are pretty much all of the above except sports fighting like going in the ring. What I meant by all fights go to the ground is that they go to the ground unintentionally if you have fought many fights you would realize that some one will slip and grab the other down with him, you end up grappling or head locking and boom you on the ground or sometimes who ever is getting overwhelmed with almost always go to ground and the other will come down with him. It happens all the time its not that you want it to happen.
I've seem those street fighting courses where they teach people 'dirty' tactics its not for beginners, unless you've already got a solid back ground in some kind of martial art such as MT or BJJ ect you can't just scratch some one or kick them in the groin you have to know how to counter certain things or follow up otherwise you will only infuriate your opponent more. Where as when you've already done BJJ you can get them in a lock straight away and have them screaming for mercy.
As I've stated before I'd probably go in for MT and BJJ where I can have an equal amount of strikes as well as grapples, locks and ground work in my arsenal.
muay thai. go to a few bjj classes.
remember that you will be held to a much higher legal standard as a "trained fighter."
No one really has to know your a trained fighter. Also the advantage with BJJ is that if you do hurt someone in a street fight and there was a camera or a witness there, lets say your opponent ends up with a broken arm you can say 'it happened as we rolled on the floor or he might have hurt himself'. Because most of these lawyers, prosecutors, victims and people in the court wouldn't generally know what an arm bar is they can't prove you did it. Where as if you where to hurt someone with a punch or kick it would be much more obvious.
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they won't. they'll call an "expert" to the stand
if you're training at a "school," it would be very easy to prove that you are a "trained" fighter
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fights will go to the ground sometimes, yes. but in the streets the last thing u want to do is stay on the ground and wrestle with the guy. if somebody took me to the ground, i have basic BJJ skills so i'm not completely lost. but i won't want to stay on the ground and wrestle with him. that's sport fighting shit like UFC or pride or something. i would just eagle claw his throat, hip bones, or ribs. if worst comes to worst, eye jabbing, going for the groin, or bite him. it's useless to roll around to try and mount and armbar or some shit like that. by that time anything could happen. his friends could come beat u over the back of the head with a baseball bat. he could've found a sharp object on the ground and jammed it into ur gut. or done any of the above i said i would do.
and it's true. u can't just use dirty tactics u gotta have the basics down to save ur ass too. but from the sounds of it, this place u describe is like an mma gym. and if it is, u won't learn shit there. find a specialized place that only focuses on one or two arts and take it from there. u will learn a lot more and be a much better martial artist that way.
MT and BJJ are good styles. they will teach u a lot. but don't expect to be the best fighter in the streets because of those things as those are very much sport martial arts for the ring. even tho, of course i wouldn't wanna fuck with a guy that's trained well in both, it only covers so much.
and don't think lawyers are dumbasses. ppl know things now. of course they'd know what an armbar is, and of course they'd know that u used an armbar if u broke the guy's arm with one. and plus, if ur trained to a high enough level in a certain fighting style, in certain areas, u'll be legally required to go on record so they can keep track of u. see if ur abusing ur training or if any shit happens with u, it'll be used against u.
but by all means, if u think MT and BJJ are the way to go, do it. MT is a great striking style and BJJ is a great grappling style. both require high levels of fitness and will get you in shape. but don't be restricted, and be open minded. even if u become a master in both, there is still so much more to learn. for example, u might throw a punch and a hapkido practitioner blocks, and grabs u in a wrist lock. and when ur on ur knees screaming in pain, because of a simple fuckin wrist lock, wut are u gunna do then? consider all possibilities.
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Learn hand to hand combat from the KGB or Spetznaz
:cheers:
Have FUN!
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they won't. they'll call an "expert" to the stand
if you're training at a "school," it would be very easy to prove that you are a "trained" fighter
I guess your probably right, but the reason for my training is not to get back at someone or going around wrecking people. Just for training, fitness and something to do instead of killing time by other means. I've got a friend who was a former kick boxing champion who was trained by one of the biggest and most prestigious kick boxing trainings in Australia. Hes been into shit with many dick heads on the streets always wrecks his opponents in a few seconds hes never done anything too far that would cause him to be in trouble with the law.
fights will go to the ground sometimes, yes. but in the streets the last thing u want to do is stay on the ground and wrestle with the guy. if somebody took me to the ground, i have basic BJJ skills so i'm not completely lost. but i won't want to stay on the ground and wrestle with him. that's sport fighting shit like UFC or pride or something. i would just eagle claw his throat, hip bones, or ribs. if worst comes to worst, eye jabbing, going for the groin, or bite him. it's useless to roll around to try and mount and armbar or some shit like that. by that time anything could happen. his friends could come beat u over the back of the head with a baseball bat. he could've found a sharp object on the ground and jammed it into ur gut. or done any of the above i said i would do.
and it's true. u can't just use dirty tactics u gotta have the basics down to save ur ass too. but from the sounds of it, this place u describe is like an mma gym. and if it is, u won't learn shit there. find a specialized place that only focuses on one or two arts and take it from there. u will learn a lot more and be a much better martial artist that way.
MT and BJJ are good styles. they will teach u a lot. but don't expect to be the best fighter in the streets because of those things as those are very much sport martial arts for the ring. even tho, of course i wouldn't wanna fuck with a guy that's trained well in both, it only covers so much.
and don't think lawyers are dumbasses. ppl know things now. of course they'd know what an armbar is, and of course they'd know that u used an armbar if u broke the guy's arm with one. and plus, if ur trained to a high enough level in a certain fighting style, in certain areas, u'll be legally required to go on record so they can keep track of u. see if ur abusing ur training or if any shit happens with u, it'll be used against u.
but by all means, if u think MT and BJJ are the way to go, do it. MT is a great striking style and BJJ is a great grappling style. both require high levels of fitness and will get you in shape. but don't be restricted, and be open minded. even if u become a master in both, there is still so much more to learn. for example, u might throw a punch and a hapkido practitioner blocks, and grabs u in a wrist lock. and when ur on ur knees screaming in pain, because of a simple fuckin wrist lock, wut are u gunna do then? consider all possibilities.
I'm being open minded just because I know lets say BJJ wouldn't mean as soon as a fight starts I would want to take my opponent to the ground and stay there trying various locks till he submits. Thats bullshit of course if someone had you on your knees in a wrist lock begging wont cut it, you would straight away try to bite his hand or grab his nuts ect. The point of being trained in BJJ would be not to be lost and make the wrong moves when you do get into a ground situation. Because people who aren't trained the first thing they do when they are on the ground is try to punch you, push your face away or get back up leaving your back to the opponent. Its just all about incorporating these skills into what you know already and try to flow, knowing what to do in every possible situation.
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ok i see u got the right idea about the situation.
and if ur in this just for training and fitness, all of the above would be great. MT, BJJ, wrestling and boxing all of it. depends on what u enjoy more.
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i do boxing and hae been for a long time. i would suggest it. i think mutai is the best because i trains u to use all of your body not just your hands. boxing increases your speed and strength hugly. it helped me but i think mutai would be better
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but from the sounds of it, this place u describe is like an mma gym. and if it is, u won't learn shit there.
depends upon the gym. "casa preta" does not equal "jim's fitness and mma"
@ melbourne: you would also have to consider the severity of the street fight. it sounds like you do a lot of knocking heads and bruising egos rather than breacking necks and ruining families. you start breaking people's arms and the situation will escalate quickly. too many people carry too many weapons to ever let it get to that level.
i also missed the whole part about "fitness not fighting."
too much peppermint schnapps
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Owen4ever makes some astute points. One thing I wqould think about is doing japanese style karate/grappling because it is very versatile and can be a merger into other styles like muy thai and bjj. I've done 8 years of karate-do and judo and I've learned loads of useful strikes and takedowns. If you're a reflexes-quickness kind of fighter as opposed to a brute strength fighter, I would recommend a combination of the aforementioned styles. I've learned both submission and finishing, so, although Judo may be less effective a grappling style than bjj, it still suffices. Furthermore, judo focusses more on throws, which would tend to end a fight in the street as owen pointed out. Just some stuff to think about.
i'm personally not a big fan of karate. it depends on the dojo. some places will teach very well but 90% of the karate i see out there is the typical community centre karate for kids with a white guy that doesn't kno shit running the class just because he's maybe 1st or 2nd degree black belt. that really gives me a negative outlook on this but i do admit, if u find the right dojo to train in, it can be very good.
but for practical street fighting i think i'd prefer to learn some things along the lines of krav maga, wing chun, hapkido, jeet kune do, and etc.
no I know what you mean....a lot of the dojos I see out there are shit....mine isn't and my sensei was trained in the top martial arts school in Japan (one of the few North Americans ever to be let in) and he taught at Zen Monasteries and shit. See the thing with me and fighting is that if I can avoid a messy situation, I will. I hate fighting, and I almost never lose my temper. I see martial arts as a purely self defence tool...as in, do what you have to do, block, retaliate quickly, and run the fuck away. Do not prolong the situation. Do not hurt people needlessly. I hate violence and I am relatively pacifist for a practitioner of martial arts, so this outlook works for me. All I know is that in a self defence situation, I can hurt the guy, or shock him, and get away, which is all I need since I'll never be the initiator.
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but from the sounds of it, this place u describe is like an mma gym. and if it is, u won't learn shit there.
depends upon the gym. "casa preta" does not equal "jim's fitness and mma"
@ melbourne: you would also have to consider the severity of the street fight. it sounds like you do a lot of knocking heads and bruising egos rather than breacking necks and ruining families. you start breaking people's arms and the situation will escalate quickly. too many people carry too many weapons to ever let it get to that level.
i also missed the whole part about "fitness not fighting."
too much peppermint schnapps
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Nah bro I hate fighting when your about 19 you would also know it gets pointless and you grow out of it. It was fun going around getting into fight with people in high school but theres no time for that now. Unfortunately tho there are still those same people who hang around train stations, shopping centers and in the streets generally looking to start shit all the time.
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but from the sounds of it, this place u describe is like an mma gym. and if it is, u won't learn shit there.
depends upon the gym. "casa preta" does not equal "jim's fitness and mma"
well obviously there are always exceptions to every rule or statement.
but what i mean is... most mma places teach techniques too diverse all at the same time, they don't go over them properly, and focus way too much on just fitness n such. an mma gym is somewhere to go AFTER u've reached a high enough level training in different schools that are focusing on specific arts such as a muay thai place or a BJJ place which focus specifically on those, not "mixed martial arts".
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Owen4ever makes some astute points. One thing I wqould think about is doing japanese style karate/grappling because it is very versatile and can be a merger into other styles like muy thai and bjj. I've done 8 years of karate-do and judo and I've learned loads of useful strikes and takedowns. If you're a reflexes-quickness kind of fighter as opposed to a brute strength fighter, I would recommend a combination of the aforementioned styles. I've learned both submission and finishing, so, although Judo may be less effective a grappling style than bjj, it still suffices. Furthermore, judo focusses more on throws, which would tend to end a fight in the street as owen pointed out. Just some stuff to think about.
i'm personally not a big fan of karate. it depends on the dojo. some places will teach very well but 90% of the karate i see out there is the typical community centre karate for kids with a white guy that doesn't kno shit running the class just because he's maybe 1st or 2nd degree black belt. that really gives me a negative outlook on this but i do admit, if u find the right dojo to train in, it can be very good.
but for practical street fighting i think i'd prefer to learn some things along the lines of krav maga, wing chun, hapkido, jeet kune do, and etc.
no I know what you mean....a lot of the dojos I see out there are shit....mine isn't and my sensei was trained in the top martial arts school in Japan (one of the few North Americans ever to be let in) and he taught at Zen Monasteries and shit. See the thing with me and fighting is that if I can avoid a messy situation, I will. I hate fighting, and I almost never lose my temper. I see martial arts as a purely self defence tool...as in, do what you have to do, block, retaliate quickly, and run the fuck away. Do not prolong the situation. Do not hurt people needlessly. I hate violence and I am relatively pacifist for a practitioner of martial arts, so this outlook works for me. All I know is that in a self defence situation, I can hurt the guy, or shock him, and get away, which is all I need since I'll never be the initiator.
oh i kno just what u mean. see, my goal in this is to become a great "martial artist". not a great MMA fighter... not a great street fighter... not a black belt in a whole buncha things, or nething else. i just wanna be a great "martial artist". that means being adept fitness wise, street fighting wise, sport fighting wise, also being adept at both internal and external martial arts, as well as taking in useful philosophies.
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dont eva go to karate. it is the worst you learn absolotly nothing
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Nah bro I hate fighting when your about 19 you would also know it gets pointless and you grow out of it. It was fun going around getting into fight with people in high school but theres no time for that now. Unfortunately tho there are still those same people who hang around train stations, shopping centers and in the streets generally looking to start shit all the time.
i feel ya...
but what i mean is... most mma places teach techniques too diverse all at the same time, they don't go over them properly, and focus way too much on just fitness n such. an mma gym is somewhere to go AFTER u've reached a high enough level training in different schools that are focusing on specific arts such as a muay thai place or a BJJ place which focus specifically on those, not "mixed martial arts".
i understand. however, i know that, at least "down here (within 100 miles of me)," you'll almost have to go to a mma gym to get quality muay thai and bjj instruction. this instruction is separate from the mma instruction, i.e. mma class, bjj (no gi and gi) classes, sambo class, etc (this is how it works at a very well respected mma/boxing gym in the area. there are other gyms that are more fitness/pure mma oriented).
melbourne may be in a different situation, but again, he may not have the "luxury."
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dont eva go to karate. it is the worst you learn absolotly nothing
unless u go to a proper dojo. and as we've went over in great detail before u, proper karate dojos are hard to find.
and yea proper mma gyms still run like that but i still don't think it's as good as going to places specifically for muay thai or specifically for BJJ. but then again, as u said, he may not have the luxury. it won't be the worst... it probably won't be too bad either. but i've seen a lot of mma fighters... even professional ones sometimes... that are strong and fast and fit but have horribly messy technique.
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Owen4ever makes some astute points. One thing I wqould think about is doing japanese style karate/grappling because it is very versatile and can be a merger into other styles like muy thai and bjj. I've done 8 years of karate-do and judo and I've learned loads of useful strikes and takedowns. If you're a reflexes-quickness kind of fighter as opposed to a brute strength fighter, I would recommend a combination of the aforementioned styles. I've learned both submission and finishing, so, although Judo may be less effective a grappling style than bjj, it still suffices. Furthermore, judo focusses more on throws, which would tend to end a fight in the street as owen pointed out. Just some stuff to think about.
i'm personally not a big fan of karate. it depends on the dojo. some places will teach very well but 90% of the karate i see out there is the typical community centre karate for kids with a white guy that doesn't kno shit running the class just because he's maybe 1st or 2nd degree black belt. that really gives me a negative outlook on this but i do admit, if u find the right dojo to train in, it can be very good.
but for practical street fighting i think i'd prefer to learn some things along the lines of krav maga, wing chun, hapkido, jeet kune do, and etc.
no I know what you mean....a lot of the dojos I see out there are shit....mine isn't and my sensei was trained in the top martial arts school in Japan (one of the few North Americans ever to be let in) and he taught at Zen Monasteries and shit. See the thing with me and fighting is that if I can avoid a messy situation, I will. I hate fighting, and I almost never lose my temper. I see martial arts as a purely self defence tool...as in, do what you have to do, block, retaliate quickly, and run the fuck away. Do not prolong the situation. Do not hurt people needlessly. I hate violence and I am relatively pacifist for a practitioner of martial arts, so this outlook works for me. All I know is that in a self defence situation, I can hurt the guy, or shock him, and get away, which is all I need since I'll never be the initiator.
oh i kno just what u mean. see, my goal in this is to become a great "martial artist". not a great MMA fighter... not a great street fighter... not a black belt in a whole buncha things, or nething else. i just wanna be a great "martial artist". that means being adept fitness wise, street fighting wise, sport fighting wise, also being adept at both internal and external martial arts, as well as taking in useful philosophies.
my view of a martial artist is that it is a way of life that stresses both internal and external aspects to make a person more adept in all walks of life. Martial arts for me is not offensive, it is defensive. My imperative as a sparrer is to never get hit...I dodge and block very well, and my only preferred strikes are counter attacks or a wicked double roundhouse kick that I pride myself on. So yeah Iagree with you :cheers:
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dont eva go to karate. it is the worst you learn absolotly nothing
unless u go to a proper dojo. and as we've went over in great detail before u, proper karate dojos are hard to find.
and yea proper mma gyms still run like that but i still don't think it's as good as going to places specifically for muay thai or specifically for BJJ. but then again, as u said, he may not have the luxury. it won't be the worst... it probably won't be too bad either. but i've seen a lot of mma fighters... even professional ones sometimes... that are strong and fast and fit but have horribly messy technique.
i saw this fight with some pro karate instructor and a street fighter. the karate guy was jumping like 2 meters in the air with fly kicks and they guy just moved out the way and hooked him one in the stomach. he was out and the street guy just sat on him and started laying into him allday until they stopped the fight.
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dont eva go to karate. it is the worst you learn absolotly nothing
unless u go to a proper dojo. and as we've went over in great detail before u, proper karate dojos are hard to find.
and yea proper mma gyms still run like that but i still don't think it's as good as going to places specifically for muay thai or specifically for BJJ. but then again, as u said, he may not have the luxury. it won't be the worst... it probably won't be too bad either. but i've seen a lot of mma fighters... even professional ones sometimes... that are strong and fast and fit but have horribly messy technique.
i saw this fight with some pro karate instructor and a street fighter. the karate guy was jumping like 2 meters in the air with fly kicks and they guy just moved out the way and hooked him one in the stomach. he was out and the street guy just sat on him and started laying into him allday until they stopped the fight.
a person actually well adept in the style of karate knows all sorts of hand techniques, kicking techniques, basic locks and self defence techniques, as well as various weapon techniques.
it's just that probably 90 or 95 % of karate practitioners are idiots and they let themselves be too contained by tradition and conventions. being too bound by patterns and forms, they lack the improvisation skills required in a real fight. there are still those that are very good fighters and also practice karate. but there are different aspects to karate than being just a great fighter, which some are. sometimes it's practiced for general fitness or health or for fun. sometimes it's practiced to keep tradition alive.
but all that aside, u probably saw that because karate has been WAY watered down by being too popular with movies like the karate kid... then everybody started taking it everywhere and u get the stupid fuckers that have black belts n everything and can't do shit because they never learned from a proper sensei in a proper dojo.
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man you are one smart guy.
any way it is hard to think right when you are in a fight. you just think beat the fuckout of the other guy
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man you are one smart guy.
any way it is hard to think right when you are in a fight. you just think beat the fuckout of the other guy
that's where something i said in the other section comes into account. there are four stages to learning a skill.
unconscious incompetence (ur doing it wrong but u don't know ur doing it wrong)
conscious incompetence (u know ur doing something wrong)
conscious competence (u've learned a skill but u have to focus and think about it while ur doing it)
unconscious competence (the skill is learned to a point where u don't even have to think about it. it comes naturally to you)
now ideally, when in the heat of a fight it's good to keep a clear head and be controlled. that way u can maximize the potential of quelling the conflict before it gets out of hand. whether by stopping it, running away, some kinda joint lock or simple standup grapple to control ur opponent or attacker, or anything else.
but sometimes that's hard to do when ur pissed off and u wanna just beat the muthafucka up.
in that case, ones that have practiced martial arts enough that they become unconsciously competent at their skills will obviously do better than some idiot swinging his arms around at ya. u don't have to think. u just do it because ur muscles remember the movements.
take the example of a footballer. do you think any of the professional footballers at all have to think and focus on a 10 yard pass? how bout when he has acres of space and is taking it slow, jogging up the pitch... do you think that footballer has to think about how to control the ball and let it stay with him as he moves up the pitch?
no.