Which should I go with

[a;sdlfkjas;df]

they won't.  they'll call an "expert" to the stand

if you're training at a "school," it would be very easy to prove that you are a "trained" fighter

[AznMagic]

fights will go to the ground sometimes, yes.  but in the streets the last thing u want to do is stay on the ground and wrestle with the guy.  if somebody took me to the ground, i have basic BJJ skills so i'm not completely lost.  but i won't want to stay on the ground and wrestle with him.  that's sport fighting shit like UFC or pride or something.  i would just eagle claw his throat, hip bones, or ribs.  if worst comes to worst, eye jabbing, going for the groin, or bite him.  it's useless to roll around to try and mount and armbar or some shit like that.  by that time anything could happen.  his friends could come beat u over the back of the head with a baseball bat.  he could've found a sharp object on the ground and jammed it into ur gut.  or done any of the above i said i would do.

and it's true.  u can't just use dirty tactics u gotta have the basics down to save ur ass too.  but from the sounds of it, this place u describe is like an mma gym.  and if it is, u won't learn shit there.  find a specialized place that only focuses on one or two arts and take it from there.  u will learn a lot more and be a much better martial artist that way.

MT and BJJ are good styles.  they will teach u a lot.  but don't expect to be the best fighter in the streets because of those things as those are very much sport martial arts for the ring.  even tho, of course i wouldn't wanna fuck with a guy that's trained well in both, it only covers so much.

and don't think lawyers are dumbasses.  ppl know things now.  of course they'd know what an armbar is, and of course they'd know that u used an armbar if u broke the guy's arm with one.  and plus, if ur trained to a high enough level in a certain fighting style, in certain areas, u'll be legally required to go on record so they can keep track of u.  see if ur abusing ur training or if any shit happens with u, it'll be used against u.

but by all means, if u think MT and BJJ are the way to go, do it.  MT is a great striking style and BJJ is a great grappling style.  both require high levels of fitness and will get you in shape.  but don't be restricted, and be open minded.  even if u become a master in both, there is still so much more to learn.  for example, u might throw a punch and a hapkido practitioner blocks, and grabs u in a wrist lock.  and when ur on ur knees screaming in pain, because of a simple fuckin wrist lock, wut are u gunna do then?  consider all possibilities.

[Sule]

Learn hand to hand combat from the KGB or Spetznaz

 :cheers:

Have FUN!

[cigar omar]

they won't.  they'll call an "expert" to the stand

if you're training at a "school," it would be very easy to prove that you are a "trained" fighter

I guess your probably right, but the reason for my training is not to get back at someone or going around wrecking people. Just for training, fitness and something to do instead of killing time by other means. I've got a friend who was a former kick boxing champion who was trained by one of the biggest and most prestigious kick boxing trainings in Australia. Hes been into shit with  many dick heads on the streets always wrecks his opponents in a few seconds hes never done anything too far that would cause him to be in trouble with the law.

fights will go to the ground sometimes, yes.  but in the streets the last thing u want to do is stay on the ground and wrestle with the guy.  if somebody took me to the ground, i have basic BJJ skills so i'm not completely lost.  but i won't want to stay on the ground and wrestle with him.  that's sport fighting shit like UFC or pride or something.  i would just eagle claw his throat, hip bones, or ribs.  if worst comes to worst, eye jabbing, going for the groin, or bite him.  it's useless to roll around to try and mount and armbar or some shit like that.  by that time anything could happen.  his friends could come beat u over the back of the head with a baseball bat.  he could've found a sharp object on the ground and jammed it into ur gut.  or done any of the above i said i would do.

and it's true.  u can't just use dirty tactics u gotta have the basics down to save ur ass too.  but from the sounds of it, this place u describe is like an mma gym.  and if it is, u won't learn shit there.  find a specialized place that only focuses on one or two arts and take it from there.  u will learn a lot more and be a much better martial artist that way.

MT and BJJ are good styles.  they will teach u a lot.  but don't expect to be the best fighter in the streets because of those things as those are very much sport martial arts for the ring.  even tho, of course i wouldn't wanna fuck with a guy that's trained well in both, it only covers so much.

and don't think lawyers are dumbasses.  ppl know things now.  of course they'd know what an armbar is, and of course they'd know that u used an armbar if u broke the guy's arm with one.  and plus, if ur trained to a high enough level in a certain fighting style, in certain areas, u'll be legally required to go on record so they can keep track of u.  see if ur abusing ur training or if any shit happens with u, it'll be used against u.

but by all means, if u think MT and BJJ are the way to go, do it.  MT is a great striking style and BJJ is a great grappling style.  both require high levels of fitness and will get you in shape.  but don't be restricted, and be open minded.  even if u become a master in both, there is still so much more to learn.  for example, u might throw a punch and a hapkido practitioner blocks, and grabs u in a wrist lock.  and when ur on ur knees screaming in pain, because of a simple fuckin wrist lock, wut are u gunna do then?  consider all possibilities.

I'm being open minded just because I know lets say BJJ wouldn't mean as soon as a fight starts I would want to take my opponent to the ground and stay there trying various locks till he submits. Thats bullshit of course if someone had you on your knees in a wrist lock begging wont cut it, you would straight away try to bite his hand or grab his nuts ect. The point of being trained in BJJ would be not to be lost and make the wrong moves when you do get into a ground situation. Because people who aren't trained the first thing they do when they are on the ground is try to punch you, push your face away or get back up leaving your back to the opponent. Its just all about incorporating these skills into what you know already and try to flow, knowing what to do in every possible situation.

[AznMagic]

ok i see u got the right idea about the situation.

and if ur in this just for training and fitness, all of the above would be great.  MT, BJJ, wrestling and boxing all of it.  depends on what u enjoy more.

[moby]

i do boxing and hae been for a long time. i would suggest it. i think mutai is the best because i trains u to use all of your body not just your hands. boxing increases your speed and strength hugly. it helped me but i think mutai would be better

[a;sdlfkjas;df]

but from the sounds of it, this place u describe is like an mma gym.  and if it is, u won't learn shit there.

depends upon the gym.  "casa preta" does not equal "jim's fitness and mma"

@ melbourne:  you would also have to consider the severity of the street fight.  it sounds like you do a lot of knocking heads and bruising egos rather than breacking necks and ruining families.  you start breaking people's arms and the situation will escalate quickly.  too many people carry too many weapons to ever let it get to that level.

i also missed the whole part about "fitness not fighting."

too much peppermint schnapps

 :bang:

[TheGodEmperor]

Owen4ever makes some astute points. One thing I wqould think about is doing japanese style karate/grappling because it is very versatile and can be a merger into other styles like muy thai and bjj. I've done 8 years of karate-do and judo and I've learned loads of useful strikes and takedowns. If you're a reflexes-quickness kind of fighter as opposed to a brute strength fighter, I would recommend a combination of the aforementioned styles. I've learned both submission and finishing, so, although Judo may be less effective a grappling style than bjj, it still suffices. Furthermore, judo focusses more on throws, which would tend to end a fight in the street as owen pointed out. Just some stuff to think about.

i'm personally not a big fan of karate.  it depends on the dojo.  some places will teach very well but 90% of the karate i see out there is the typical community centre karate for kids with a white guy that doesn't kno shit running the class just because he's maybe 1st or 2nd degree black belt.  that really gives me a negative outlook on this but i do admit, if u find the right dojo to train in, it can be very good.

but for practical street fighting i think i'd prefer to learn some things along the lines of krav maga, wing chun, hapkido, jeet kune do, and etc.

no I know what you mean....a lot of the dojos I see out there are shit....mine isn't and my sensei was trained in the top martial arts school in Japan (one of the few North Americans ever to be let in) and he taught at Zen Monasteries and shit. See the thing with me and fighting is that if I can avoid a messy situation, I will. I hate fighting, and I almost never lose my temper. I see martial arts as a purely self defence tool...as in, do what you have to do, block, retaliate quickly, and run the fuck away. Do not prolong the situation. Do not hurt people needlessly. I hate violence and I am relatively pacifist for a practitioner of martial arts, so this outlook works for me. All I know is that in a self defence situation, I can hurt the guy, or shock him, and get away, which is all I need since I'll never be the initiator.

[cigar omar]

but from the sounds of it, this place u describe is like an mma gym.  and if it is, u won't learn shit there.

depends upon the gym.  "casa preta" does not equal "jim's fitness and mma"

@ melbourne:  you would also have to consider the severity of the street fight.  it sounds like you do a lot of knocking heads and bruising egos rather than breacking necks and ruining families.  you start breaking people's arms and the situation will escalate quickly.  too many people carry too many weapons to ever let it get to that level.

i also missed the whole part about "fitness not fighting."

too much peppermint schnapps

 :bang:

Nah bro I hate fighting when your about 19 you would also know it gets pointless and you grow out of it. It was fun going around getting into fight with people in high school but theres no time for that now. Unfortunately tho there are still those same people who hang around train stations, shopping centers and in the streets generally looking to start shit all the time.

[AznMagic]

but from the sounds of it, this place u describe is like an mma gym.  and if it is, u won't learn shit there.

depends upon the gym.  "casa preta" does not equal "jim's fitness and mma"

well obviously there are always exceptions to every rule or statement.

but what i mean is... most mma places teach techniques too diverse all at the same time, they don't go over them properly, and focus way too much on just fitness n such.  an mma gym is somewhere to go AFTER u've reached a high enough level training in different schools that are focusing on specific arts such as a muay thai place or a BJJ place which focus specifically on those, not "mixed martial arts".

[AznMagic]

Owen4ever makes some astute points. One thing I wqould think about is doing japanese style karate/grappling because it is very versatile and can be a merger into other styles like muy thai and bjj. I've done 8 years of karate-do and judo and I've learned loads of useful strikes and takedowns. If you're a reflexes-quickness kind of fighter as opposed to a brute strength fighter, I would recommend a combination of the aforementioned styles. I've learned both submission and finishing, so, although Judo may be less effective a grappling style than bjj, it still suffices. Furthermore, judo focusses more on throws, which would tend to end a fight in the street as owen pointed out. Just some stuff to think about.

i'm personally not a big fan of karate.  it depends on the dojo.  some places will teach very well but 90% of the karate i see out there is the typical community centre karate for kids with a white guy that doesn't kno shit running the class just because he's maybe 1st or 2nd degree black belt.  that really gives me a negative outlook on this but i do admit, if u find the right dojo to train in, it can be very good.

but for practical street fighting i think i'd prefer to learn some things along the lines of krav maga, wing chun, hapkido, jeet kune do, and etc.

no I know what you mean....a lot of the dojos I see out there are shit....mine isn't and my sensei was trained in the top martial arts school in Japan (one of the few North Americans ever to be let in) and he taught at Zen Monasteries and shit. See the thing with me and fighting is that if I can avoid a messy situation, I will. I hate fighting, and I almost never lose my temper. I see martial arts as a purely self defence tool...as in, do what you have to do, block, retaliate quickly, and run the fuck away. Do not prolong the situation. Do not hurt people needlessly. I hate violence and I am relatively pacifist for a practitioner of martial arts, so this outlook works for me. All I know is that in a self defence situation, I can hurt the guy, or shock him, and get away, which is all I need since I'll never be the initiator.

oh i kno just what u mean.  see, my goal in this is to become a great "martial artist".  not a great MMA fighter... not a great street fighter... not a black belt in a whole buncha things, or nething else.  i just wanna be a great "martial artist".  that means being adept fitness wise, street fighting wise, sport fighting wise, also being adept at both internal and external martial arts, as well as taking in useful philosophies.

[moby]

dont eva go to karate. it is the worst you learn absolotly nothing