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General Category => General Chat => Topic started by: Adi on Jan 16, 2013, 06:24: AM
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What's everyone's opinion of the guy?
He lied about it for years but finally admitted to it.
Do you still respect him? He's done a lot of good raising money for cancer but cheating like this really does ruin someone's reputation and potential the entire reputation of the sport.
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Who cares? They all do it.
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I don't like how he is being treated. I'm pretty sure all cyclists take doping. Just because he got caught / admitted it doesn't make him a worse person.
It's also ridiculous how UCI wanted to cancel his titles, just to pretend they think doping is a bad thing, but they know it's part of the sport. They should and most probably would be thankful for how he promoted their sport, but they can't say it because he has to be made a bad person now.
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At first I was shocked by this news, but then I realized that, as mentioned above by redsforlife and Christoph, unless all riders take a lesser or greater extent dopping.
He helped a lot of people struggling with cancer, became the idol of thousands of people. He destroyed his reputation, but in a few years will come out that this sport is not 'clean' athletes.
I'm just disappointed that so late getting admitted for a long time and lied to the whole world.
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Yeah, seems 75% of them dope. There's a chance their cycling committee is involved in the cover up. If that proves to be the case, the Olympics Committee will ban cycling.
They should. This sport needs a new start. Fucking cheats.
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Yeah, seems 75% of them dope. There's a chance their cycling committee is involved in the cover up. If that proves to be the case, the Olympics Committee will ban cycling.
They should. This sport needs a new start. Fucking cheats.
Interesting and sharp solution, but fully agree with you. At this moment it's a senseless competition players.
A lot of people practice sports, his life working on it to achieve success. The sport can't be a place for cheaters using illegal assistance.
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Liars and cheats can go die in a fire. Fuck you for ruining it for everyone who plays by the rules.
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It was soo obvious for soo many years. Biggest scumbag in sports ever. Should go to jail. Genuine piece of shit.
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Well said you two. He's done plenty of good in raising money for cancer research, but he's been a cheat all his career. Unbelievable.
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ofc he has been a cheat and a scumbag and all that, and i agree with u that all cyclists in top cycling takes doping. But thats exactly why he can not fully be blaimed, cause when one cyclist/team starts using doping, all the others need to start too to hang on. For example the team US Postal/Discovery Channel Pro cycling Team, were winning everything at a time probably because of doping, the other teams needed to follow up, or they would lose everything..i think thats the way it has spread so much
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Saying others did it doesnt really work here since he was the worst of them all. Other used because he did it and they had to keep up. If you read about the size of their doping operation its sickening. And Johan Bruyneel (team manager) still did it for years and years after. (Contador etc)
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Saying others did it doesnt really work here since he was the worst of them all. Other used because he did it and they had to keep up. If you read about the size of their doping operation its sickening. And Johan Bruyneel (team manager) still did it for years and years after. (Contador etc)
How do you know he was the biggest user? Is there any evidence to this? Maybe the actual biggest user just doesn't win the competitions. Maybe Lance was a genetically gifted athlete capable of being among the top, but needed to use to win. There are probably several less genetically gifted that would never be in the competition without using, so they use just to be there. The fact is we don't know. This is a typical witch hunt. We should just move on.
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Anyone watch the interview with Oprah?
Wow, this guy is a pure cunt! Really don't understand what he's trying to gain with this interview. Now that people see his true side, there is no way in hell anyone will give him a second chance. He just showed us all what a dick he is.
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Anyone watch the interview with Oprah?
Wow, this guy is a pure cunt! Really don't understand what he's trying to gain with this interview. Now that people see his true side, there is no way in hell anyone will give him a second chance. He just showed us all what a dick he is.
Did you use to have a Livestrong bracelet? :cheesy:
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I wasn't lucky enough to find one. :grin:
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Did you see the recent South Park episode about this? Jesus was discovered to have used PEDs during the crucifixion, so he didn't suffer for ours sins.
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Is it worth the one hour of my life?
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he's a fucking liar, shit interview
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I watched it, I can't believe he sued all those people too. How can anyone defend this asshole?
When does part two come out, I have a feeling Oprah's saving something fucked up for it?
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Part II came out the following day. I have yet to watch it. Sitting on my recorder at home.
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Gotta love how he admits to using stuff before his cancer. But not after. The cancer probably made him a better athlete that he didnt need the drugs anymore... lol
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I'm guessing I'm the only one that truly doesn't give a fuck.
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I wouldnt give a fuck if he wasnt such a complete douchebag about it. But all these years of straight up lying to everyone just makes me hate the guy.
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I wouldnt give a fuck if he wasnt such a complete douchebag about it. But all these years of straight up lying to everyone just makes me hate the guy.
How many people do you think lie to you on a daily basis? If you hated everyone that lies to you, you wouldn't like many people. I really just do not care. I never really cared about cycling to begin with. I don't really see why him lying about his steroid use should change my opinion. Anyways, it's highly documented how bad the use of PEDs is among cyclist. It's rampant. Possibly some of the worst in competitive sports.
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I never had much of a problem with him, even after he admitted to it. I expected it.
My problem lies with his attitude like others have said. He's a prick. He came out with this in hope of redeeming himself, however he's only tarnished his image further by shedding light on his true self.
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How many people do you think lie to you on a daily basis? If you hated everyone that lies to you, you wouldn't like many people. I really just do not care. I never really cared about cycling to begin with. I don't really see why him lying about his steroid use should change my opinion. Anyways, it's highly documented how bad the use of PEDs is among cyclist. It's rampant. Possibly some of the worst in competitive sports.
That is an incredibly bad comparison. The level of the lie and the amount of people that were affected doesn't even come into play in that example..
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That is an incredibly bad comparison. The level of the lie and the amount of people that were affected doesn't even come into play in that example..
Honestly, how did this effect any of our lives that much? It's a sporting event. Who cares? Also, so many people are using in professional sports, that I refuse to make someone the villain like this. It's stupid. I'd be willing to bet money that the next Tour de France winner will have used something. Whether he tests positive or not is still unknown, but Lance never failed a drug test ever if I remember correctly.
My comparison was fine. The lies told to you on a daily basis directly effect your life. They are actually worse. I really couldn't care less about this. I think it's even becoming a bit of a witch hunt. He did it, so lets just move on. The quicker people forget about it and him cheating the better.
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Honestly, how did this effect any of our lives that much? It's a sporting event. Who cares? Also, so many people are using in professional sports, that I refuse to make someone the villain like this. It's stupid. I'd be willing to bet money that the next Tour de France winner will have used something. Whether he tests positive or not is still unknown, but Lance never failed a drug test ever if I remember correctly.
My comparison was fine. The lies told to you on a daily basis directly effect your life. They are actually worse. I really couldn't care less about this. I think it's even becoming a bit of a witch hunt. He did it, so lets just move on. The quicker people forget about it and him cheating the better.
Do you have any sense of empathy towards the people directly effected? You must think Hitler was just another guy since he didn't kill you he killed other people.
And to say the lies told to me are worse than cheating the whole cycling community, falsely suing innocent people and many more lies has to be some kind of troll.
Some times it seems like you just post for the sake of it. If that's the case you need to up your game and make it seem more realistic.
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Do you have any sense of empathy towards the people directly effected? You must think Hitler was just another guy since he didn't kill you he killed other people.
And to say the lies told to me are worse than cheating the whole cycling community, falsely suing innocent people and many more lies has to be some kind of troll.
Some times it seems like you just post for the sake of it. If that's the case you need to up your game and make it seem more realistic.
Comparing cycling to Hitler is absolutely ridiculous. Hitler's actions directly effected my family as well. My Grandfather fought in WWII. Even if that wasn't the case, comparing the two things is completely ridiculous. It's cycling for crying out loud.
Yes, he lied. Come on man. You are lied to everyday in things that effect you much more. Hell, most of the lies were aimed towards people accusing him of doping. Also, on the doping issue. I don't find him any different than any other athlete that has doped and lied about it. Him being the more successful and famous athlete doesn't make him a worse person for it.
Last time I checked, he is facing several lawsuits himself, so I wouldn't consider these people innocents.
Isn't it bad enough that he's lost all his sponsorships, titles, and his name has been dragged through the mud? Dude, he's still a human being. Even if he's scum, after a while we should just let him be. All of these companies that hate him and are suing him now are hypocritical in my opinion, because they made millions off him before he got caught.
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Whether he tests positive or not is still unknown, but Lance never failed a drug test ever if I remember correctly.
They tested some of his frozen sample from years ago and the current technology proved he doped.
Also, he doped during the preparation stages instead of the actual race. At that time, they only tested at the races and not prior. That's how he got around it.
I think you're wrong on this one, Jason. We all in some way commit ourselves to sports and athletes and often put our faith into them. When someone proves to be a cheat, it's wrong and we have the right to bitch about it. Not only that, but Lance set cycling back 50 years. Who knows it they'll ever recover.
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They tested some of his frozen sample from years ago and the current technology proved he doped.
Also, he doped during the preparation stages instead of the actual race. At that time, they only tested at the races and not prior. That's how he got around it.
I think you're wrong on this one, Jason. We all in some way commit ourselves to sports and athletes and often put our faith into them. When someone proves to be a cheat, it's wrong and we have the right to bitch about it. Not only that, but Lance set cycling back 50 years. Who knows it they'll ever recover.
What makes him different than any other athlete that's failed a doping test?
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Furthermore, I don't care at all about those baseball players lying about their steriod use in front of Congress several years ago. I just don't care. That's actually far worse since lying in front of Congress is illegal. They could have all been charged for perjury.
I don't know. I must just take what an individual in sports does whole lot lighter than many people. The only thing that I've been effected by is having to hear people bitch about it. Other than that, nothing. Everyone knew cycling was rampant with PEDs before Lance got caught. Plenty of other cyclist got caught as well, but they don't get near the attention.
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Do you have any sense of empathy towards the people directly effected? You must think Hitler was just another guy since he didn't kill you he killed other people.
And to say the lies told to me are worse than cheating the whole cycling community, falsely suing innocent people and many more lies has to be some kind of troll.
Some times it seems like you just post for the sake of it. If that's the case you need to up your game and make it seem more realistic.
haha :iagree:
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Sometimes I wonder why you are bothered by people having differing opinions. We are all entitled to our own opinion.
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I don't mind anyone playing the Devil's Advocate role... makes it more fun. It's a forum.
On another note, I think Jason just thinks differently about cheating in sports than most of us. I want sports to be purely about skills and I want an even playing field. I hate baseball primarily because they cheat (and yes, it's boring too). Instead of accepting cheating as the norm, I think it's better for fans to show their disgust in hope of change.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8ADP6C7rKM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8ADP6C7rKM#ws)
This movie completely changed my opinion on the use of PEDs. I used to hate users and think they were cheats, but I learned that's it not worth getting upset over. If anything, I'd rather still have positive views of my sports heroes whether they user or not. Far too high percentage of top athletes use to hate all of them. Many of you like athletes right now that use, but they may never be caught.
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Comparing cycling to Hitler is absolutely ridiculous. Hitler's actions directly effected my family as well. My Grandfather fought in WWII. Even if that wasn't the case, comparing the two things is completely ridiculous. It's cycling for crying out loud.
Yes, he lied. Come on man. You are lied to everyday in things that effect you much more. Hell, most of the lies were aimed towards people accusing him of doping. Also, on the doping issue. I don't find him any different than any other athlete that has doped and lied about it. Him being the more successful and famous athlete doesn't make him a worse person for it.
Last time I checked, he is facing several lawsuits himself, so I wouldn't consider these people innocents.
Isn't it bad enough that he's lost all his sponsorships, titles, and his name has been dragged through the mud? Dude, he's still a human being. Even if he's scum, after a while we should just let him be. All of these companies that hate him and are suing him now are hypocritical in my opinion, because they made millions off him before he got caught.
You ignored the biggest points I was trying to make and concentrated on nothing.
Empathy was one. The other was the flaw in the logic that if it doesn't effect you directly, it doesn't matter to you and you shouldn't care.
The level of the lie wasn't even taken into account. "Hey, how's it going?" (lie)"Good thanks." Fucking bitch, that directly effects me. Don't lie to me, you're costing my company millions of dollars.. :rolleyes:
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You do realize how many cyclist before, during, and after his career ended have tested positive for banned substances. For the most part, no one cares about them, because they didn't win or weren't as successful as Armstrong. It's a rampant problem in cycling, and people are using Armstrong as a scapegoat. They are putting all the blame on him, because he was the most successful cyclist.
I still don't see any reason why I should hate him for it.
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They put the blame on him because he had an extremely professional system for years. Other cyclists are just small fish, Armstrong was the kingpin. He lied for years by corrupting everything, then after they got evidence he lied and lied and lied to all his fans who supported him still, acting like he is a victim and now he thinks admitting something minor will be good. That way he still disrespects all his fans that still stand for him by adding more and more lies to his pile. He starts to look more and more like a complete sociopath.