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Freestyle Soccer Forum => Freestyle Chat => Topic started by: Adi on Feb 17, 2011, 11:59: AM
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Beyond Football will use this thread to list the top freestylers in freestyle football.
This list of top freestylers comes directly from our members. You guys are smart enough, right? :grin:
Here are the rules:
- Post your top 10 for uppers
- Top 5 for lowers
- Top 5 for sits
- Top 5 all-rounder
Try to be as thoughtful as possible. Moderators and I will keep count and update this first post. We will have 2 or 3 editions throughout the year.
L_I_S:I hope you don't mind the added category, Adi. I and a few other freestylers think it is a necessary category.
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Top 5 uppers:
Luki
BenGau
Turlakov
KHB
Vlo
Top 5 Lowers:
Skora
MP
Tobias Becs
Mirko
MichRyc
Top 5 Sits:
Abdullah
Jak
Macca
Matte Linder
Martin Schopf
Top 10 All-rounders:
Szymo
Arthur Mansilla
Andrew Henderson
Kamalio
Luki
Sean
Petike
John Farnworth
Jeon Kwon
Tokura
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This...
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indeed it is pointless...
also... there is nothing here to recognise all rounders or creative freestylers... some of the best freestylers in the world aren't in the top 5 for either sits, lowers or uppers... but they are extremely good at all areas of freestyle, and good at linking those different areas with transitions ect....
imo, being an all rounder is what makes a "top freestyler".
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Creative freestylers shouldn't even be considered as top athletes in freestyle. So you can think alternatively, why should that put you ahead of freestylers that bust their asses off in training sessions.
I think we only need 3 of each group and 3 under all-round. I seriously can't be stuffed listing 20 freestylers.
Uppers: Turlakov, Luki, Bengau
Sits: Linder, Abdellah, Baruzdin. To be honest, I rarely watch sit videos. My opinion here can be disreguarded.
Lower: Skora, MP, Mirko.
All-round: Azun, Szymo. I can't think of any others
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Creative freestylers shouldn't even be considered as top athletes in freestyle. So you can think alternatively, why should that put you ahead of freestylers that bust their asses off in training sessions.
First of all, my post was mostly about this not including all rounders, i added creative freestylers because i thought of people like JK, Gautier, sean, kamalio, i doubt they would get in the top five for any category, but i still think they are among the best at freestyle football. (my opinion)
I'm not going to get into a huge debate with you... you obviously have your opinion, and i doubt anything i say will change the way you think.
but "thinking alternatively" isn't all there is to creative freestyle... there is a difference between THINKING of a new kind of trick or combo, and then DOING a new kind of trick or combo... most freestylers can think of a new kind of trick or combo, but you still have to go out and bust your ass training it to get good and consistent at it.
Of course it all depends on what kind of creative freestyle we are talking about, yes, some "creative tricks" may be easier than others... but also some are not... same with lowers and sits and uppers... every trick has different difficulties. So you cant just generalise "creative freestyle" as something that is easier and doesn't require the same amount of "ass busting" training as other kinds of freestyle.
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Problem with this thread are:
1/ we will never be able to choose the absolute top freestylers that EVERYBODY will agree on. It's the matter of opinion.
2/ There's no category for allroundedness, which means freestylers like Szymo, or Arthur Mansilla will be left out.
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I'm not going to get into a huge debate with you... you obviously have your opinion, and i doubt anything i say will change the way you think.
Thanks for that..
Creative freestylers shouldn't even be considered as top athletes in freestyle. So you can think alternatively, why should that put you ahead of freestylers that bust their asses off in training sessions.
but "thinking alternatively" isn't all there is to creative freestyle... there is a difference between THINKING of a new kind of trick or combo, and then DOING a new kind of trick or combo... most freestylers can think of a new kind of trick or combo, but you still have to go out and bust your ass training it to get good and consistent at it.
Of course it all depends on what kind of creative freestyle we are talking about, yes, some "creative tricks" may be easier than others... but also some are not... same with lowers and sits and uppers... every trick has different difficulties. So you cant just generalise "creative freestyle" as something that is easier and doesn't require the same amount of "ass busting" training as other kinds of freestyle.
Seeing as we are talking about top freestylers and not most unique, cool, stylish, creative, admirable etc, I think it's safe to say that Mirkos, Lukis, Azuns, Linders level surpasses Seans, JK etc.(In their categories of course)
I understand that Sean can't be placed into the lower/upper/sits category but he does fall under the all-round category. Right?
The way I see it is that, for example, let's compare Sean to Azun.
Whose uppers are better? Azun
Whose lowers are better? Azun
Whose sits are better? (I don't know much about sits, but I think it's Azun but we'll go with Sean incase I'm incorrect)
So the votes are two to one. Therefore Azun is a better all-round freestyler.(sorry if I offended either Sean and Azun, I just used you guys as an example)
I know you can't really measure the difficulty of a backflip, freezes, 2 consecutive bandana slips in upper in sits and lower..but this is what the majority of freestyle is made up off. If you aren't good at those, then you don't deserve to be in the top all-round category imo.
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Its cool that just after three posts in this thread, we have a conflict! :PDT_Armataz_01_37:
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lol @ 2 consecutive bandana slips :043: :043:
.....and my list:
Allround:
1) Syzmo 2) Luki 3) Clyde
Lowers:
1) Skora 2) MP 3) ARS 4) Tobias B. 5) Mirko
Uppers:
1) Luki 2) Turlakov 3) syzmo
Sits:
1) Pedro 2) Gautier 3) Petike
Honourable mentions:
Sean, Yosshi, Dan the man, Azun, Andrew H., Jabarinho :grin:
But fs changes so fast so this list might change by tomorrow :040:
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Creative freestylers shouldn't even be considered as top athletes in freestyle. So you can think alternatively, why should that put you ahead of freestylers that bust their asses off in training sessions.
i would have expected you to know better LIS... thats the dumbest thing ever..
tell that to Luki (european champ), Michryc, kamalio (2nd in the world), and Yamato!
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adi ...congratiolations for getting the amount of posts back where it should be ...those posts always get things started :-)
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Creative freestylers shouldn't even be considered as top athletes in freestyle. So you can think alternatively, why should that put you ahead of freestylers that bust their asses off in training sessions.
i would have expected you to know better LIS... thats the dumbest thing ever..
tell that to Luki (european champ), Michryc, kamalio (2nd in the world), and Yamato!
Why? 95% of my combos are mainstream lol. And why is it so dumb?
Luki doesn't belong on that list. His uppers are top class AND he has creativity. Same with Michryc but with sits and lowers.
Battles/shows don't justify difficulty imo. If you can do it on first go, it's obviously not the best you can do. Most people go with what they can do safely and consistantly, not their hardest..and in my opinion, best = most difficult.
I can't think of a more fair way at the moment. If you think in a different way, please share..maybe you hold the key to judge what's more difficult.
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Top 10 for upper - Turlakov, Luki, 4elovek, Gomez, we1rd
Top 5 for lowers - Fx, Skora, Tobias, Rocco, MP
Top 5 for sits - Jeon Kwon, Nori, Jak, Martin Schopf
Top 5 all-rounder - Palle, Azun, Kamalio
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This will all change by tomorrow.
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adi ...congratiolations for getting the amount of posts back where it should be ...those posts always get things started :-)
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Creative freestylers shouldn't even be considered as top athletes in freestyle. So you can think alternatively, why should that put you ahead of freestylers that bust their asses off in training sessions.
i would have expected you to know better LIS... thats the dumbest thing ever..
tell that to Luki (european champ), Michryc, kamalio (2nd in the world), and Yamato!
Why? 95% of my combos are mainstream lol. And why is it so dumb?
Luki doesn't belong on that list. His uppers are top class AND he has creativity. Same with Michryc but with sits and lowers.
Battles/shows don't justify difficulty imo. If you can do it on first go, it's obviously not the best you can do. Most people go with what they can do safely and consistantly, not their hardest..and in my opinion, best = most difficult.
I can't think of a more fair way at the moment. If you think in a different way, please share..maybe you hold the key to judge what's more difficult.
Its a huge difference between what you can do, and what you have done.
Don't tell me dude # 1 is much better freestyler cause he have done 400 NT combo back home on video, and never can do it live
Then..
Dude # 2 that never done a NT, but can do long smooth controlled combos, together with awesome transitions and great overall live.
Also videos is far away from the right justice. Skora and i can do excactly the same combos. But the difference is that it maybe took him 10 trys to get it, and it took me 200trys. See the diference there? Same combo, but still so much diference in level.
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Creative freestylers shouldn't even be considered as top athletes in freestyle. So you can think alternatively, why should that put you ahead of freestylers that bust their asses off in training sessions.
i would have expected you to know better LIS... thats the dumbest thing ever..
tell that to Luki (european champ), Michryc, kamalio (2nd in the world), and Yamato!
Why? 95% of my combos are mainstream lol. And why is it so dumb?
Luki doesn't belong on that list. His uppers are top class AND he has creativity. Same with Michryc but with sits and lowers.
Battles/shows don't justify difficulty imo. If you can do it on first go, it's obviously not the best you can do. Most people go with what they can do safely and consistantly, not their hardest..and in my opinion, best = most difficult.
I can't think of a more fair way at the moment. If you think in a different way, please share..maybe you hold the key to judge what's more difficult.
Its a huge difference between what you can do, and what you have done.
Don't tell me dude # 1 is much better freestyler cause he have done 400 NT combo back home on video, and never can do it live
Then..
Dude # 2 that never done a NT, but can do long smooth controlled combos, together with awesome transitions and great overall live.
Also videos is far away from the right justice. Skora and i can do excactly the same combos. But the difference is that it maybe took him 10 trys to get it, and it took me 200trys. See the diference there? Same combo, but still so much diference in level.
Yes, I am very aware of the difference between can and what you have done.
Skora also does htlatw combos in LP, which is first try. That's why he is also amazing, he is super consistant. Same with Mirko, he did the Skora combo + a few more nts in a battle. These are just at the top of my head. So don't say they are inconsistant.
And I don't think you can do or Sean/JK etc can do a htlatw combo live. And that's just one example.
JK's safe and consistant move in an LP is a cool atw-tb-ground bounce combo. Skora's is an aeatw.
Which freestyler did the most skillful move? :lol_hitting:
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This forum is the best no doubt, and if any list should be out it should be from this place
But... Those list are a problem, I like the idea about it, but when I look at what ive learned, it is pointless..
What could be possible though, is a system that shows who has competed the best in competitions in the last year or something, bigger competitions gives ppl more points for example if you get 3rd in prague you'll get 20 points and if you win polish championships you get 16 poinst etc etc..... and the guy who is in the lead would be respected and at the same time not argued about if he is the best or not, he might not be the best, but that is not what the list would be about.
Though a system like this is hard and I think freestyle has to wait some other years for things like this.
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what brings beginners to the forum is cuz they are searching for 'best in the world' list on in the internet. the list before where JF stood on #1 rank was a huge success i think and many believed in it (not me). so i know what adi is trying to do.
but imo fs has expanded way too much to confine it into a few lists.
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tbc, but then it also is.... do we want to give ppl wrong impression of what freestyle is about ?
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Gustav the list thing you said made sense (point system) but it wouldn't be fair since all freestylers couldn't attend all the events.
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Creative freestylers shouldn't even be considered as top athletes in freestyle. So you can think alternatively, why should that put you ahead of freestylers that bust their asses off in training sessions.
i would have expected you to know better LIS... thats the dumbest thing ever..
tell that to Luki (european champ), Michryc, kamalio (2nd in the world), and Yamato!
Why? 95% of my combos are mainstream lol. And why is it so dumb?
Luki doesn't belong on that list. His uppers are top class AND he has creativity. Same with Michryc but with sits and lowers.
Battles/shows don't justify difficulty imo. If you can do it on first go, it's obviously not the best you can do. Most people go with what they can do safely and consistantly, not their hardest..and in my opinion, best = most difficult.
I can't think of a more fair way at the moment. If you think in a different way, please share..maybe you hold the key to judge what's more difficult.
Its a huge difference between what you can do, and what you have done.
Don't tell me dude # 1 is much better freestyler cause he have done 400 NT combo back home on video, and never can do it live
Then..
Dude # 2 that never done a NT, but can do long smooth controlled combos, together with awesome transitions and great overall live.
Also videos is far away from the right justice. Skora and i can do excactly the same combos. But the difference is that it maybe took him 10 trys to get it, and it took me 200trys. See the diference there? Same combo, but still so much diference in level.
Yes, I am very aware of the difference between can and what you have done.
Skora also does htlatw combos in LP, which is first try. That's why he is also amazing, he is super consistant. Same with Mirko, he did the Skora combo + a few more nts in a battle. These are just at the top of my head. So don't say they are inconsistant.
And I don't think you can do or Sean/JK etc can do a htlatw combo live. And that's just one example.
JK's safe and consistant move in an LP is a cool atw-tb-ground bounce combo. Skora's is an aeatw.
Which freestyler did the most skillful move? :lol_hitting:
Yes you are right, but you are only talking about a small bit of freestyle. Skora make better lower in live performances then for example JK, but JK does many stuff way better then Skora. It's not only lower, you have to see the whole part.
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At the end of this thread, what will be the result? we will have a list of freestylers that no one will care about and everyone will disagree with.
IMO, A much better idea... which i have suggested before... would be a "Hot right now" page (or some kind of better name), that gets updated monthly, and lists afew freestylers (not in any order) who have had a big impact in that month, either by releasing an awesome video, winning a competition, doing a huge LP...
That way, guys who are new to the community can still go on and check out who the top freestylers are. However this way gives almost everyone in the community a chance to get on the page, plus we dont have all the disagreements.
I mean, i doubt anyone would ever check a list of top freestylers... i know i wouldn't, everyone already has their opinions on who is the best, so the list is going to mean a whole lot of nothing. However, with a page like my idea, i think lots of people would check it, because not only does it show who top freestylers are, it also gives you news of whats going on in the fs community... plus and also may feature awesome videos that you missed in the fs vids section.
In addition, you could feature a legends page, with people like palle, mr woo, Touzani... people who everyone universally accept as pioneers of our sport, just so beginners can check out where the sport came from.
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At the end of this thread, what will be the result? we will have a list of freestylers that no one will care about and everyone will disagree with.
IMO, A much better idea... which i have suggested before... would be a "Hot right now" page (or some kind of better name), that gets updated monthly, and lists afew freestylers (not in any order) who have had a big impact in that month, either by releasing an awesome video, winning a competition, doing a huge LP...
That way, guys who are new to the community can still go on and check out who the top freestylers are. However this way gives almost everyone in the community a chance to get on the page, plus we dont have all the disagreements.
I mean, i doubt anyone would ever check a list of top freestylers... i know i wouldn't, everyone already has their opinions on who is the best, so the list is going to mean a whole lot of nothing. However, with a page like my idea, i think lots of people would check it, because not only does it show who top freestylers are, it also gives you news of whats going on in the fs community... plus and also may feature awesome videos that you missed in the fs vids section.
In addition, you could feature a legends page, with people like palle, mr woo, Touzani... people who everyone universally accept as pioneers of our sport, just so beginners can check out where the sport came from.
+1
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At the end of this thread, what will be the result? we will have a list of freestylers that no one will care about and everyone will disagree with.
IMO, A much better idea... which i have suggested before... would be a "Hot right now" page (or some kind of better name), that gets updated monthly, and lists afew freestylers (not in any order) who have had a big impact in that month, either by releasing an awesome video, winning a competition, doing a huge LP...
That way, guys who are new to the community can still go on and check out who the top freestylers are. However this way gives almost everyone in the community a chance to get on the page, plus we dont have all the disagreements.
I mean, i doubt anyone would ever check a list of top freestylers... i know i wouldn't, everyone already has their opinions on who is the best, so the list is going to mean a whole lot of nothing. However, with a page like my idea, i think lots of people would check it, because not only does it show who top freestylers are, it also gives you news of whats going on in the fs community... plus and also may feature awesome videos that you missed in the fs vids section.
In addition, you could feature a legends page, with people like palle, mr woo, Touzani... people who everyone universally accept as pioneers of our sport, just so beginners can check out where the sport came from.
+1
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Creative freestylers shouldn't even be considered as top athletes in freestyle. So you can think alternatively, why should that put you ahead of freestylers that bust their asses off in training sessions.
I think we only need 3 of each group and 3 under all-round. I seriously can't be stuffed listing 20 freestylers.
Uppers: Turlakov, Luki, Bengau
Sits: Linder, Abdellah, Baruzdin. To be honest, I rarely watch sit videos. My opinion here can be disreguarded.
Lower: Skora, MP, Mirko.
All-round: Azun, Szymo. I can't think of any others
Very sad man,, i respect your point of view,, i dont know what for you is "creative",
because thanks to the "creative" this art-sport exists, to touzani, who "create" his innovation tatw.. to palle who create the nt, patw,
to abdullah, that has the creativity to create tricks in sit down position,, to abbas who create a lot of new tricks, that in these days are essencials
for all the freestylers, and for all all the freestylers who colaborated with his part in this beautiful sport. In few words, this sport, exists thanks to the creativity, but wait.......creative...creative,, how can i explain this word? mmmm... well here i go...if yo do the moves,tricks of people did, that were creatives for the first time, then, you aren`t creative. You can be creative when you do something new, fresh and original. Then, i think when you see a "creative freestyler" in this moment you compare with hardcore lower combos, and you will say: "well its cool, but nothing compared with the long combos nt."thats only my theory that probably you think. Now THINK in this,, i can say that:... for me is more diffcult, to create new tricks and a great variety of moves, and to create one style that nothing has done,,, than only,, you keep,. practicing the same moves all the time,, the same nts, the same combos, only in different order, and only with one goal,, that you can progress to do more long combos, and incorpore the most diffcult tricks in the earth that you saw in the youtube`s video "Top ten most diffcult freestyle tricks part 3" (patw,eldoatw,pmatw, skmtaw)and then you willbe the best freestyler in the world or one of the best.....for me noooooooooooooT,,
This sarcasm was only to explain that you can`t say,, that creative(in your point of view, because i explained what is creative for me),, is not hard,, or are not considered top athlets in the freestyle.
This sport its not called, " Lower Freestyle football"?, "Sits freestyle football"?, "uppers freestyle football"?,
Its Called only FREEstyle football,, FREE-FREE-FREE-FREE-FREE-FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!,
Its stupid compare,, what trick or style is more diffult, because each trick, combo or style,,, has his own and proper difficulty,
And each person choose his way of freestyle football,, if your way, is the lower combos, , because you find it more difficult, good luck
enjoy your freestyle,all the people will apreciatte your freestyle, no doubt, But believe me,, when a guy juggle the ball with the dick, will be too hardcore, because, you need to much training,, to much psicology(thinks in the hottest girl in the world), when a guy juggle 10 balls with one foot will be hardcore, and in the actuality,, There are freestylers who make creative combos without any atw(why not call it: hardcore creative combos?), , and then, you need to acept, the freestyle ways that the people choose,, and acept that other styles need very much training like the lower combos, only in different ways.
And one thing more, the creative, is not a category, for me there aren`t categories in the freestyle, all the people can be creative,,all the people can create new things, but in the freestyle there are only different styles,, only that the freestyle that the most of the people practice is: lower(atw,nt),, upper and sits. And when you see something different of the classic, probably will be creative,, but its better call it "a different style".
And please respect the other ways of freestyle, all the ways of freestyle has his own difficulty, and all are amazing.
This is my point of view,, sorry for the bad english
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At the end of this thread, what will be the result? we will have a list of freestylers that no one will care about and everyone will disagree with.
IMO, A much better idea... which i have suggested before... would be a "Hot right now" page (or some kind of better name), that gets updated monthly, and lists afew freestylers (not in any order) who have had a big impact in that month, either by releasing an awesome video, winning a competition, doing a huge LP...
That way, guys who are new to the community can still go on and check out who the top freestylers are. However this way gives almost everyone in the community a chance to get on the page, plus we dont have all the disagreements.
I mean, i doubt anyone would ever check a list of top freestylers... i know i wouldn't, everyone already has their opinions on who is the best, so the list is going to mean a whole lot of nothing. However, with a page like my idea, i think lots of people would check it, because not only does it show who top freestylers are, it also gives you news of whats going on in the fs community... plus and also may feature awesome videos that you missed in the fs vids section.
In addition, you could feature a legends page, with people like palle, mr woo, Touzani... people who everyone universally accept as pioneers of our sport, just so beginners can check out where the sport came from.
+1
i think that is a very good idea. This idea gives "newcomers" a chance to showcase themselves where no one on bf have ever seen before. One example right now is Kazane from japan. His new videos can be placed in a "HOT" section, or something like "Someone to watch out for" section. This means that although his level not as high as skora, azun, mirko etc, his current level of freestyle is definitely great for his age.
Another idea would be for the level of style in their freestyle. I think generally all of us understands what a good style in freestyle is, say murilo, rocco, etc. Therefore it wouldn't be difficult to determine whether this or that new guy that just uploaded a video has a good style or not. If yes, probably his video can be showcased etcetc. Hope you guys get what i meant.
I think that would give every freestylers a chance of recognition on this forum. It's just my opinion. :)
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This...
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I don't agree. If you look at the most active threads, both views and replies, you will see that both Rankings lists made the top 10 most discussed topics. There is obviously an interest for it which makes it worthwhile. How good it is is, that's completely up to us.
also... there is nothing here to recognise all rounders or creative freestylers... some of the best freestylers in the world aren't in the top 5 for either sits, lowers or uppers... but they are extremely good at all areas of freestyle, and good at linking those different areas with transitions ect....
imo, being an all rounder is what makes a "top freestyler".
Problem with this thread are:
1/ we will never be able to choose the absolute top freestylers that EVERYBODY will agree on. It's the matter of opinion.
2/ There's no category for allroundedness, which means freestylers like Szymo, or Arthur Mansilla will be left out.
When we have an overall Top 20, we hear members bitching about wanting lowers, uppers, sits, etc. Now that we split it up, you are bitching about wanting overall. There is no way to make all of you happy. This is a list to give us some kind of "common" understanding of who is at the top of freestyle. From FIFA's rankings to Vegas odds, no list is perfect - it's for information, entertainment, and for you to ultimately draw your own conclusion.
Its cool that just after three posts in this thread, we have a conflict! :PDT_Armataz_01_37:
Conflict is OK... just make sure you post your list clearly so we can keep track of counts. Post your reasons below the list or something.
adi ...congratiolations for getting the amount of posts back where it should be ...those posts always get things started :-)
Thanks mate but we have dipped again slightly. We need to have more people starting new threads and getting new discussions going - it can't be the same people.
What could be possible though, is a system that shows who has competed the best in competitions in the last year or something, bigger competitions gives ppl more points for example if you get 3rd in prague you'll get 20 points and if you win polish championships you get 16 poinst etc etc..... and the guy who is in the lead would be respected and at the same time not argued about if he is the best or not, he might not be the best, but that is not what the list would be about.
Like you said, a system like this is hard to implement. It can be done, but many freestylers would be left off because they can't make a comp for whatever reason. Plus, we don't have that many big comps to keep the list very current. Tons of great freestylers who submit videos only would also be left off and the comp might side more with LP freestylers. I also have a feeling that some members on here would do a better job judging freestyle performances than some of the judges at a lot of comps.
what brings beginners to the forum is cuz they are searching for 'best in the world' list on in the internet. the list before where JF stood on #1 rank was a huge success i think and many believed in it (not me). so i know what adi is trying to do.
but imo fs has expanded way too much to confine it into a few lists.
You are right. You are seeing the bigger picture here. The impact on the forums activity, bringing new freestylers to the community, and generally growing freestyle.
At the end of this thread, what will be the result? we will have a list of freestylers that no one will care about and everyone will disagree with.
IMO, A much better idea... which i have suggested before... would be a "Hot right now" page (or some kind of better name), that gets updated monthly, and lists afew freestylers (not in any order) who have had a big impact in that month, either by releasing an awesome video, winning a competition, doing a huge LP...
That way, guys who are new to the community can still go on and check out who the top freestylers are. However this way gives almost everyone in the community a chance to get on the page, plus we dont have all the disagreements.
I mean, i doubt anyone would ever check a list of top freestylers... i know i wouldn't, everyone already has their opinions on who is the best, so the list is going to mean a whole lot of nothing. However, with a page like my idea, i think lots of people would check it, because not only does it show who top freestylers are, it also gives you news of whats going on in the fs community... plus and also may feature awesome videos that you missed in the fs vids section.
In addition, you could feature a legends page, with people like palle, mr woo, Touzani... people who everyone universally accept as pioneers of our sport, just so beginners can check out where the sport came from.
Members generally agreed on our last list. A lot of people thought it was good. While not everyone agreed with each ranking, the overall list was well respected.
I do like your idea, however. We should certainly get a list like this started. Do you think a list every month is too much? We could start one right now for January, or maybe even all of 2010. Then we can start a thread for every previous month. Who wants to get it going? Feel free to take the initiative since it was your idea. We'll help push it with beyondfootball.com and our forum front page.
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this is useless... you can't do a list with the the "best freestylers" simply because we ALL have different opinions and the list will change by tomorrow as another freestyler makes a sick ass video or a sick performance... I agree on the "hot right now" list though... that would show whats hot in the community
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When we have an overall Top 20, we hear members bitching about wanting lowers, uppers, sits, etc. Now that we split it up, you are bitching about wanting overall. There is no way to make all of you happy. This is a list to give us some kind of "common" understanding of who is at the top of freestyle. From FIFA's rankings to Vegas odds, no list is perfect - it's for information, entertainment, and for you to ultimately draw your own conclusion.
Exactly Adi! That's why I say it's pointless!
Nobody will agree on anything on there, so list or no list is just the same as one another!
And what's more, these threads always create divisions among freestylers, just 2 page into this thread, and already we have a creative vs. hardcore argument going on. Every topic like this in the past has been so man. It's safer just to abolish this all together.
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This...
...is...
...pointless...
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I don't agree. If you look at the most active threads, both views and replies, you will see that both Rankings lists made the top 10 most discussed topics. There is obviously an interest for it which makes it worthwhile. How good it is is, that's completely up to us.
this doesnt show that there is an interest for the list. in these topics people only say that lists are completely dumb, old and unfair.
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Xixo ftw!
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i find it sad that this forum has got to a point where there is so much bullshitting in 100000 word posts that i don't even bother reading the threads, just skim through...
who gives a flying fuck whether one person thinks creativity is bullshit or whatever.
still gonna say my opinion XD
- hardcore freestyle which demands huge amounts of body power and training = sport
- creative freestyle which requires the mind to come up with new ideas = art
because i don't personally give a fuck about upper or sit i will give my top lower fsers (in no order).
- mirko, mp, skora, becs, azun, rocco, german, ars.
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i find it sad that this forum has got to a point where there is so much bullshitting in 100000 word posts that i don't even bother reading the threads, just skim through...
who gives a flying fuck whether one person thinks creativity is bullshit or whatever.
isn't that what a forums for? discussing things? just saying...
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i find it sad that this forum has got to a point where there is so much bullshitting in 100000 word posts that i don't even bother reading the threads, just skim through...
who gives a flying fuck whether one person thinks creativity is bullshit or whatever.
isn't that what a forums for? discussing things? just saying...
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Alright guys, let's start a "hot freestylers" list now. :great:
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At the end of this thread, what will be the result? we will have a list of freestylers that no one will care about and everyone will disagree with.
IMO, A much better idea... which i have suggested before... would be a "Hot right now" page (or some kind of better name), that gets updated monthly, and lists afew freestylers (not in any order) who have had a big impact in that month, either by releasing an awesome video, winning a competition, doing a huge LP...
That way, guys who are new to the community can still go on and check out who the top freestylers are. However this way gives almost everyone in the community a chance to get on the page, plus we dont have all the disagreements.
I mean, i doubt anyone would ever check a list of top freestylers... i know i wouldn't, everyone already has their opinions on who is the best, so the list is going to mean a whole lot of nothing. However, with a page like my idea, i think lots of people would check it, because not only does it show who top freestylers are, it also gives you news of whats going on in the fs community... plus and also may feature awesome videos that you missed in the fs vids section.
In addition, you could feature a legends page, with people like palle, mr woo, Touzani... people who everyone universally accept as pioneers of our sport, just so beginners can check out where the sport came from.
+1
I also agree with Gustav on the idea of a ranking system, something like the ATP rankings in tennis, but to be honest, seems completely pointless at this stage when we don't have even 5 regular competitions per year. Also, would be good if there was an actual governing body to make it more official and not just stay on the Forum level.
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ok i am glad that ethan wrote it out
seriously - you guys think anybody reads 10 pages of text you write about ing and yang and other irrelevant shit like bruce lee and your uncle phuc's life experience? (even if you write it in bold like ricke who was apparently hurt by lis's trolling) - i don't think so - try to put it short plz if you want your message to go through
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freestyle is much based on personal opinion... what freestylers make you happy when watching them live or watching their videos on youtube... everyone have their own favorit, and people should respect this, sure you can argue with others on forum about this, and tell why your freestyler is the best... but you should always respect others opinion...
im really tired of people asking me "who is your favorit" and if i answer, they say "what about ......?" and try to say im wrong... its really anyoing!
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Sits - Abdellah
Upper - Luki
Lower - Joe.D,Azun,Jose.A
Creative - Faruk,Yosshi,Tokura
Allround - Kamalio
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ok i am glad that ethan wrote it out
seriously - you guys think anybody reads 10 pages of text you write about ing and yang and other irrelevant shit like bruce lee and your uncle phuc's life experience? (even if you write it in bold like ricke who was apparently hurt by lis's trolling) - i don't think so - try to put it short plz if you want your message to go through
Sorry if you don't want to read it all, but the thing is that I was trying to tell you something that I think is related and can be used in freestyle analogies.
"Your uncle Phuc's life experience, eh?" - Hmm... I'm usually keeps my patience, but this has gone far enough my friend. You want straight, direct, and honest? Well, yeah that's cool because I'm going to tell you in 3 words what I seriously (directly and honestly) think of you (or at least your online self):
You're an ass.
Done.
P/S: sorry to all the others...
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ok i am glad that ethan wrote it out
seriously - you guys think anybody reads 10 pages of text you write about ing and yang and other irrelevant shit like bruce lee and your uncle phuc's life experience? (even if you write it in bold like ricke who was apparently hurt by lis's trolling) - i don't think so - try to put it short plz if you want your message to go through
Sorry if you don't want to read it all, but the thing is that I was trying to tell you something that I think is related and can be used in freestyle analogies.
"Your uncle Phuc's life experience, eh?" - Hmm... I'm usually keeps my patience, but this has gone far enough my friend. You want straight, direct, and honest? Well, yeah that's cool because I'm going to tell you in 3 words what I seriously (directly and honestly) think of you (or at least your online self):
You're an ass.
Done.
P/S: sorry to all the others...
you just showed that alex is right. why using so many words for a huge post? just write : You're an ass
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yes - thanks Max haha, you are right
besides alex is an ass doesn't sound too offensive - so i still like you anhkhoashevakt :grin:
Really? Because I regretted that post the moment I posted it. I seriously don't want to talk ill to anyone.
It just that I can't allow you insult my uncle like this. His name is also Phuc btw.
Just man, please! Sometimes a little less offensive stuff actually is helpful.
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ok i am glad that ethan wrote it out
seriously - you guys think anybody reads 10 pages of text you write about ing and yang and other irrelevant shit like bruce lee and your uncle phuc's life experience? (even if you write it in bold like ricke who was apparently hurt by lis's trolling) - i don't think so - try to put it short plz if you want your message to go through
Ricke /= Ricky
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if your uncle's name is Phuc, ironically, because i didn't know that but put a random viatnamese name
then where do you see me insulting your uncle Phuc? but yea thanks for insulting me - sure it's ok, sure i can handle it, living in the us, all alone with no mom - i am fine with people insulting me for nothing
you are a phucing monster ankhoashevakat
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if your uncle's name is Phuc, ironically, because i didn't know that but put a random viatnamese name
then where do you see me insulting your uncle Phuc? but yea thanks for insulting me - sure it's ok, sure i can handle it, living in the us, all alone with no mom - i am fine with people insulting me for nothing
you are a phucing monster ankhoashevakat
Your sentence I quoted in my previous post, and the whole Phuc = F!ck thing in one of my friend's videos. Enough evidence?
And remember, you're not the only one living alone in the United States with no family. I've been doing that for like 4 years now. So definitely, insult me if you like. But please leave anything relates to my family out of this. They're the ones providing me with support, both mentally and physically.
btw enough with this sidetrack. Let's treat this as a misunderstanding. We've gone way off topic now.
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i think you are evil, and you like martial arts because you like hurting people
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(http://imagemacros.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/successful-troll-is-successful.jpg)
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i think you are evil, and you like martial arts because you like hurting people
Man, now you're inciting me to start like a one page thing over this.
Martial arts is NOT used to hurt people! If one only knows how to use it to hurt others, then it's just mere violence, and it's never the true meaning of this art.
Do you know why it is called martial "art" and not martial "method of mass destruction"? It is truly an art, because it is a mean by which you can use to bring out and understand your inner self, just like painting, singing, or even freestyle. And when people reaches the highest point of it, there's no need for them to fight anyone anymore. They're simply at peace, with their inner self and outer surroundings.
Bruce Lee refers to Chinese martial arts as "kung fu", but I think I will stick to my word, which originally used by the Chinese to describe it: "wu shu". The reason is that this word embeds in it the true meaning of Chinese martial arts in particular, and martial arts in general. You know why? Let me give you the briefest version I can muster:
- "Shu" means "Art" so it's out of the question.
- "Wu" means "military might or power" in Chinese, but this word can be broken down into 2 minor words: "avert" and "spear" (if I have to explain it further it will take another page). The "avert" part is like "stop, prevent" so it's out of the question. The "spear" can be seen as "conflict" because it's the main weapon to use in ancient Chinese wars.
=> The word "Wu" actually means "Avert conflict" and so "wu shu" can be seen as "the art to avert conflict". Now if you bother to read until here, you will have an idea why I say martial arts are not used for fighting! At least, it's not when people actually understand the true meaning of it.
And what's more, in martial arts there were many interesting concepts and ideas, brought to us by thousands of years of genius, that we can actually used in the context of freestyle. The "Yin/Yang" concept (although it can be used for more than just martial arts or freestyle) is one example.
Sorry for this to take so long. I tried all I could, but it can only be this short.
Sorry to all others for this too. Way off topic, I know. May I ask someone to actually delete this topic? Thank you!
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hehe i love a good old khoa rant! i quite enjoyed reading that explanation - perhaps a new thread on martial art!
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yes Alex you are right - martial arts are intended to hurt people - that's why i like them
my favorite element is "put your hand on fire and fist fuck your opponent" and i want to try it on you
Bruce Lee has nothing to do with martial arts, he used to work in a noodle shop until he got hired as a double for Chuck Norris.
Сhuck Norris refers to Chinese martial arts as "kung fu", but I think I will stick to my word, which originally used by the Chinese to describe it: "wu shu".
- "Shu" means "Shoe" so it's out of the question.
- "Wu" means "military might or power" in Chinese, but this word can be broken down into 2 minor words: "avert" and "spear" (can also be translated as pennis - Chinese have tiny penises - that allows them to move their legs faster - that's why Jackie Chan is so badass).
Thank you!
very interesting Khoa, not sure about some parts of it though..
tell me more
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yes Alex you are right - martial arts are intended to hurt people - that's why i like them
my favorite element is "put your hand on fire and fist fuck your opponent" and i want to try it on you
Bruce Lee has nothing to do with martial arts, he used to work in a noodle shop until he got hired as a double for Chuck Norris.
Сhuck Norris refers to Chinese martial arts as "kung fu", but I think I will stick to my word, which originally used by the Chinese to describe it: "wu shu".
- "Shu" means "Shoe" so it's out of the question.
- "Wu" means "military might or power" in Chinese, but this word can be broken down into 2 minor words: "avert" and "spear" (can also be translated as pennis - Chinese have tiny penises - that allows them to move their legs faster - that's why Jackie Chan is so badass).
Thank you!
very interesting Khoa, not sure about some parts of it though..
tell me more
Feed the troll...good...good...
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yes Alex you are right - martial arts are intended to hurt people - that's why i like them
my favorite element is "put your hand on fire and fist fuck your opponent" and i want to try it on you
Bruce Lee has nothing to do with martial arts, he used to work in a noodle shop until he got hired as a double for Chuck Norris.
Сhuck Norris refers to Chinese martial arts as "kung fu", but I think I will stick to my word, which originally used by the Chinese to describe it: "wu shu".
- "Shu" means "Shoe" so it's out of the question.
- "Wu" means "military might or power" in Chinese, but this word can be broken down into 2 minor words: "avert" and "spear" (can also be translated as pennis - Chinese have tiny penises - that allows them to move their legs faster - that's why Jackie Chan is so badass).
Thank you!
very interesting Khoa, not sure about some parts of it though..
tell me more
Feed the troll...good...good...
nom nom nom nom
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That's cool Alex, hope you enjoy your trolling.
(http://imagemacros.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/successful-troll-is-successful.jpg)
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if your uncle's name is Phuc, ironically, because i didn't know that but put a random viatnamese name
then where do you see me insulting your uncle Phuc? but yea thanks for insulting me - sure it's ok, sure i can handle it, living in the us, all alone with no mom - i am fine with people insulting me for nothing
you are a phucing monster ankhoashevakat
dcm may thang cho :))
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Bevs idea is awesome. it will give everyone a chance to get some recognition and i don't think anyone can argue with that who's hot now list. a legends or hall of fame list.
and i think you should also make a up and coming list for beginners. you can feature there videos on that page right next to there place on the list. i can try to do this if no one else wants to do it. but it will only be opinion.
it would be sick if you did it bevs.
if you agree then comment.
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uper : luki , turlakov bengau
lowers: skora - mp -mirko -ars-j9
sits: hirokazu- yamato- baruzdin
allround: szymo-charly iacono-azun :039:
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This thread has 4 pages and the "hottest freestylers" thread has 5 relevant posts about who's good right now. :rolleyes:
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Everyone thought the up-trending list was a great idea but barely anyone gives a crap about it.
You see my point? Everyone says a list of top freestylers isn't needed, isn't right, etc but in the end it gets the most attention and buzz. It creates interesting arguements to say the least.
I guess what I'm trying to say is... let's keep posting our top freestylers for each category.
- Top 5 for uppers
- Top 5 for lowers
- Top 5 for sits
- Top 5 all-rounder
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Upper: Kershe, Turlakov, Luki, Olly, Bengau
Lower: MP, Skora, Artes, Rocco, Becs
Sits: ???
Allround: Henderson, Luki
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allround no doubt luki arthur and the unreal
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I think it would be easier to 'collect this data' by creating 4 polls. You'd mamet kne for each category.
For example, the lowers poll. You'd out all the candidates in the poll (Azun, Mirko, Skora, etc..) and then everybody could vote for their top 5. Otherwise nobody will pay any attention to other people's lists.
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this is ridicolous...Freestyle Football...ground moves too! 4 styles! not 3!
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groundmoves are not rated very high in freestyle...
i mean if you do it in competition or in a video, nobody really care...
Would you rate the best groundmove combo ever done in a video higher then patw-combo if it was a competiton?
the answer is no...
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so...is Freestyle Football just 4 competitions? fuck fakes contest! Ground Moves are Freestyle Football! just unterrated...RESPECT! I respect every style...Air, Ground , Upper and Sitdown....like Hip Hop: Djing, Emceeing, Breakin', Writing....HH is not only rap and Freestyle Football is not only about Air Moves!
And...All-Round means u can show skillz 4 every style (Air/Ground/Upper/Sitdown)
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All you are talking about All Round, but without Ground Moves it can't be really All Round.
Ground Moves are only underrated, but they're still fundamental in Freestyle Football.
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98% of you , speack without know the training and the difficulty of combos , and don't speack only than lower body , been years since I read absurd raking . if i don't know the difficulty of luki upper and other freestylers , don't write stupid comment, i can speack for the lower body :
12 people not in order :
mirko skora mp ars tobias akim gunther(i) german rocco ( crasso or j9 )
and THIS NOT IS AN IDEA
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if oliver cherek had continued freestyling he would be in my top 5 lowers.. coz he has more variety than mirko, gunther, akim, rocco etc.. just my opinion. but he could do every type of lower combo...
swag
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if oliver cherek had continued freestyling he would be in my top 5 lowers.. coz he has more variety than mirko, gunther, akim, rocco etc.. just my opinion. but he could do every type of lower combo...
swag
this is true.
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if oliver cherek had continued freestyling he would be in my top 5 lowers.. coz he has more variety than mirko, gunther, akim, rocco etc.. just my opinion. but he could do every type of lower combo...
swag
never saw him do much abbas variations, mg stuff and not much 3 rev stuff either(mostly patw), also he experimented with ahtatw towards the end only.
but i agree he could have been on the top by now maybe.
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if oliver cherek had continued freestyling he would be in my top 5 lowers.. coz he has more variety than mirko, gunther, akim, rocco etc.. just my opinion. but he could do every type of lower combo...
swag
never saw him do much abbas variations, mg stuff and not much 3 rev stuff either(mostly patw), also he experimented with ahtatw towards the end only.
but i agree he could have been on the top by now maybe.
he did lots of new shit abbas variations
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if oliver cherek had continued freestyling he would be in my top 5 lowers.. coz he has more variety than mirko, gunther, akim, rocco etc.. just my opinion. but he could do every type of lower combo...
swag
never saw him do much abbas variations, mg stuff and not much 3 rev stuff either(mostly patw), also he experimented with ahtatw towards the end only.
but i agree he could have been on the top by now maybe.
he did lots of new shit abbas variations
thats different man. i mean becks and abbas etc
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Lower/aircombos is more then beeing expert on one trick...
and freestyle is more then making youtube videos with 1000 athemts combos...
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Lower/aircombos is more then beeing expert on one trick...
and freestyle is more then making youtube videos with 1000 athemts combos...
I totally agree.
But i also think if you want to be the best in lowerbody, it should be some balance: you should be expert in some tricks, but at the same time you should have good variety, dont make only tricks which you mastered perfectly; you should make some videos with 1000 attempt combos (because it shows your maximum), but at the same time you should be able to do some hard combos at few attempts (because it shows your average level), Thats all is important in my opinion..
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yes. i agree ARS.
Expert in lowers can do all tricks and most with both foot.
The video is personal mather... i just say that video doesnt rate freestylers. Not everyone care to record every practice.
and this makes alot of freestylers underrated for some periode of time where they dont make videos.
And when freestylers suddenly deside to make a video again, they are the best and "you are my hero" again...
people easly forget...
for this reason i see little point in making new videos...
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yes. i agree ARS.
Expert in lowers can do all tricks and most with both foot.
The video is personal mather... i just say that video doesnt rate freestylers. Not everyone care to record every practice.
and this makes alot of freestylers underrated for some periode of time where they dont make videos.
And when freestylers suddenly deside to make a video again, they are the best and "you are my hero" again...
people easly forget...
for this reason i see little point in making new videos...
there you have the reason of making videos: that people dont forget about you.
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thats not a good reason...
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thats not a good reason...
why not
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Lower/aircombos is more then beeing expert on one trick...
and freestyle is more then making youtube videos with 1000 athemts combos...
<3
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I think it would be easier to 'collect this data' by creating 4 polls. You'd mamet kne for each category.
For example, the lowers poll. You'd out all the candidates in the poll (Azun, Mirko, Skora, etc..) and then everybody could vote for their top 5. Otherwise nobody will pay any attention to other people's lists.
The list would be endless.
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thats not a good reason...
if you dont make videos, you dont get criticism and thats probably not good. what do you say?
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People without FX in their list should be banned :040: