Top Freestylers (Upper, Lower, Sits and All-round) - 2011 Edition

[L_I_S]

Creative freestylers shouldn't even be considered as top athletes in freestyle. So you can think alternatively, why should that put you ahead of freestylers that bust their asses off in training sessions.

i would have expected you to know better LIS... thats the dumbest thing ever..

tell that to Luki (european champ), Michryc, kamalio (2nd in the world), and Yamato!

Why? 95% of my combos are mainstream lol. And why is it so dumb?
Luki doesn't belong on that list. His uppers are top class AND he has creativity. Same with Michryc but with sits and lowers.
Battles/shows don't justify difficulty imo. If you can do it on first go, it's obviously not the best you can do. Most people go with what they can do safely and consistantly, not their hardest..and in my opinion, best = most difficult.

I can't think of a more fair way at the moment. If you think in a different way, please share..maybe you hold the key to judge what's more difficult.

[M4R10]

Top 10 for upper - Turlakov, Luki, 4elovek, Gomez, we1rd
Top 5 for lowers - Fx, Skora, Tobias, Rocco, MP
Top 5 for sits - Jeon Kwon, Nori, Jak, Martin Schopf
Top 5 all-rounder - Palle, Azun, Kamalio

[Tupac]

This will all change by tomorrow.

[CalleAhldénFS]

adi ...congratiolations for getting the amount of posts back where it should be ...those posts always get things started :-)

[Tom]

Creative freestylers shouldn't even be considered as top athletes in freestyle. So you can think alternatively, why should that put you ahead of freestylers that bust their asses off in training sessions.

i would have expected you to know better LIS... thats the dumbest thing ever..

tell that to Luki (european champ), Michryc, kamalio (2nd in the world), and Yamato!

Why? 95% of my combos are mainstream lol. And why is it so dumb?
Luki doesn't belong on that list. His uppers are top class AND he has creativity. Same with Michryc but with sits and lowers.
Battles/shows don't justify difficulty imo. If you can do it on first go, it's obviously not the best you can do. Most people go with what they can do safely and consistantly, not their hardest..and in my opinion, best = most difficult.

I can't think of a more fair way at the moment. If you think in a different way, please share..maybe you hold the key to judge what's more difficult.

Its a huge difference between what you can do, and what you have done.

Don't tell me dude # 1 is much better freestyler cause he have done 400 NT combo back home on video, and never can do it live

Then..

Dude # 2 that never done a NT, but can do long smooth controlled combos, together with awesome transitions and great overall live.

Also videos is far away from the right justice. Skora and i can do excactly the same combos. But the difference is that it maybe took him 10 trys to get it, and it took me 200trys. See the diference there? Same combo, but still so much diference in level.

[L_I_S]

Creative freestylers shouldn't even be considered as top athletes in freestyle. So you can think alternatively, why should that put you ahead of freestylers that bust their asses off in training sessions.

i would have expected you to know better LIS... thats the dumbest thing ever..

tell that to Luki (european champ), Michryc, kamalio (2nd in the world), and Yamato!

Why? 95% of my combos are mainstream lol. And why is it so dumb?
Luki doesn't belong on that list. His uppers are top class AND he has creativity. Same with Michryc but with sits and lowers.
Battles/shows don't justify difficulty imo. If you can do it on first go, it's obviously not the best you can do. Most people go with what they can do safely and consistantly, not their hardest..and in my opinion, best = most difficult.

I can't think of a more fair way at the moment. If you think in a different way, please share..maybe you hold the key to judge what's more difficult.

Its a huge difference between what you can do, and what you have done.

Don't tell me dude # 1 is much better freestyler cause he have done 400 NT combo back home on video, and never can do it live

Then..

Dude # 2 that never done a NT, but can do long smooth controlled combos, together with awesome transitions and great overall live.

Also videos is far away from the right justice. Skora and i can do excactly the same combos. But the difference is that it maybe took him 10 trys to get it, and it took me 200trys. See the diference there? Same combo, but still so much diference in level.

Yes, I am very aware of the difference between can and what you have done.

Skora also does htlatw combos in LP, which is first try. That's why he is also amazing, he is super consistant. Same with Mirko, he did the Skora combo + a few more nts in a battle. These are just at the top of my head. So don't say they are inconsistant.
And I don't think you can do or Sean/JK etc can do a htlatw combo live. And that's just one example.

JK's safe and consistant move in an LP is a cool atw-tb-ground bounce combo. Skora's is an aeatw.
Which freestyler did the most skillful move?

[Gustav]

This forum is the best no doubt, and if any list should be out it should be from this place

But... Those list are a problem, I like the idea about it, but when I look at what ive learned, it is pointless..


What could be possible though, is a system that shows who has competed the best in competitions in the last year or something,  bigger competitions gives ppl more points for example if you get 3rd in prague you'll get 20 points and if you win polish championships you get 16 poinst etc etc..... and the guy who is in the lead would be respected and at the same time not argued about if he is the best or not, he might not be the best, but that is not what the list would be about.


Though a system like this is hard and I think freestyle has to wait some other years for things like this.

[tbc]

what brings beginners to the forum is cuz they are searching for 'best in the world' list on in the internet. the list before where JF stood on #1 rank was a huge success i think and many believed in it (not me). so i know what adi is trying to do.
but imo fs has expanded way too much to confine it into a few lists.

[Gustav]

tbc, but then it also is.... do we want to give ppl wrong impression of what freestyle is about ?

[Tupac]

Gustav the list thing you said made sense (point system) but it wouldn't be fair since all freestylers couldn't attend all the events.

[Tom]

Creative freestylers shouldn't even be considered as top athletes in freestyle. So you can think alternatively, why should that put you ahead of freestylers that bust their asses off in training sessions.

i would have expected you to know better LIS... thats the dumbest thing ever..

tell that to Luki (european champ), Michryc, kamalio (2nd in the world), and Yamato!

Why? 95% of my combos are mainstream lol. And why is it so dumb?
Luki doesn't belong on that list. His uppers are top class AND he has creativity. Same with Michryc but with sits and lowers.
Battles/shows don't justify difficulty imo. If you can do it on first go, it's obviously not the best you can do. Most people go with what they can do safely and consistantly, not their hardest..and in my opinion, best = most difficult.

I can't think of a more fair way at the moment. If you think in a different way, please share..maybe you hold the key to judge what's more difficult.

Its a huge difference between what you can do, and what you have done.

Don't tell me dude # 1 is much better freestyler cause he have done 400 NT combo back home on video, and never can do it live

Then..

Dude # 2 that never done a NT, but can do long smooth controlled combos, together with awesome transitions and great overall live.

Also videos is far away from the right justice. Skora and i can do excactly the same combos. But the difference is that it maybe took him 10 trys to get it, and it took me 200trys. See the diference there? Same combo, but still so much diference in level.

Yes, I am very aware of the difference between can and what you have done.

Skora also does htlatw combos in LP, which is first try. That's why he is also amazing, he is super consistant. Same with Mirko, he did the Skora combo + a few more nts in a battle. These are just at the top of my head. So don't say they are inconsistant.
And I don't think you can do or Sean/JK etc can do a htlatw combo live. And that's just one example.

JK's safe and consistant move in an LP is a cool atw-tb-ground bounce combo. Skora's is an aeatw.
Which freestyler did the most skillful move?

Yes you are right, but you are only talking about a small bit of freestyle. Skora make better lower in live performances then for example JK, but JK does many stuff way better then Skora. It's not only lower, you have to see the whole part.

[BevS]

At the end of this thread, what will be the result? we will have a list of freestylers that no one will care about and everyone will disagree with.

IMO, A much better idea... which i have suggested before... would be a "Hot right now" page (or some kind of better name), that gets updated monthly, and lists afew freestylers (not in any order) who have had a big impact in that month, either by releasing an awesome video, winning a competition, doing a huge LP...

That way, guys who are new to the community can still go on and check out who the top freestylers are. However this way gives almost everyone in the community a chance to get on the page, plus we dont have all the disagreements.

I mean, i doubt anyone would ever check a list of top freestylers... i know i wouldn't, everyone already has their opinions on who is the best, so the list is going to mean a whole lot of nothing. However, with a page like my idea, i think lots of people would check it, because not only does it show who top freestylers are, it also gives you news of whats going on in the fs community... plus and also may feature awesome videos that you missed in the fs vids section.

In addition, you could feature a legends page, with people like palle, mr woo, Touzani... people who everyone universally accept as pioneers of our sport, just so beginners can check out where the sport came from.