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Re: Top Freestylers (Upper, Lower, Sits and All-round) - 2011 Edition
« Reply #24 on: Feb 18, 2011, 08:42: AM »
At the end of this thread, what will be the result? we will have a list of freestylers that no one will care about and everyone will disagree with.

IMO, A much better idea... which i have suggested before... would be a "Hot right now" page (or some kind of better name), that gets updated monthly, and lists afew freestylers (not in any order) who have had a big impact in that month, either by releasing an awesome video, winning a competition, doing a huge LP...

That way, guys who are new to the community can still go on and check out who the top freestylers are. However this way gives almost everyone in the community a chance to get on the page, plus we dont have all the disagreements.

I mean, i doubt anyone would ever check a list of top freestylers... i know i wouldn't, everyone already has their opinions on who is the best, so the list is going to mean a whole lot of nothing. However, with a page like my idea, i think lots of people would check it, because not only does it show who top freestylers are, it also gives you news of whats going on in the fs community... plus and also may feature awesome videos that you missed in the fs vids section.

In addition, you could feature a legends page, with people like palle, mr woo, Touzani... people who everyone universally accept as pioneers of our sport, just so beginners can check out where the sport came from.
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Re: Top Freestylers (Upper, Lower, Sits and All-round) - 2011 Edition
« Reply #25 on: Feb 18, 2011, 08:45: AM »
At the end of this thread, what will be the result? we will have a list of freestylers that no one will care about and everyone will disagree with.

IMO, A much better idea... which i have suggested before... would be a "Hot right now" page (or some kind of better name), that gets updated monthly, and lists afew freestylers (not in any order) who have had a big impact in that month, either by releasing an awesome video, winning a competition, doing a huge LP...

That way, guys who are new to the community can still go on and check out who the top freestylers are. However this way gives almost everyone in the community a chance to get on the page, plus we dont have all the disagreements.

I mean, i doubt anyone would ever check a list of top freestylers... i know i wouldn't, everyone already has their opinions on who is the best, so the list is going to mean a whole lot of nothing. However, with a page like my idea, i think lots of people would check it, because not only does it show who top freestylers are, it also gives you news of whats going on in the fs community... plus and also may feature awesome videos that you missed in the fs vids section.

In addition, you could feature a legends page, with people like palle, mr woo, Touzani... people who everyone universally accept as pioneers of our sport, just so beginners can check out where the sport came from.
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Re: Top Freestylers (Upper, Lower, Sits and All-round) - 2011 Edition
« Reply #26 on: Feb 18, 2011, 11:25: AM »
Creative freestylers shouldn't even be considered as top athletes in freestyle. So you can think alternatively, why should that put you ahead of freestylers that bust their asses off in training sessions.

I think we only need 3 of each group and 3 under all-round. I seriously can't be stuffed listing 20 freestylers.

Uppers: Turlakov, Luki, Bengau

Sits: Linder, Abdellah, Baruzdin. To be honest, I rarely watch sit videos. My opinion here can be disreguarded.

Lower: Skora, MP, Mirko.

All-round: Azun, Szymo. I can't think of any others
Very sad man,, i respect your point of view,, i dont know what for you is "creative",
because thanks  to the "creative" this art-sport exists, to touzani,  who "create" his innovation tatw.. to palle who create the nt, patw,
to abdullah, that has the creativity to create tricks in sit down position,,  to abbas who  create  a lot of new tricks, that in these days are essencials
for all the freestylers, and for all all the freestylers who  colaborated with his part in this beautiful sport. In few words, this sport, exists thanks to the creativity, but wait.......creative...creative,, how can i explain this word? mmmm... well here i go...if yo do the moves,tricks of people did, that were creatives for the first time, then, you aren`t creative. You can be creative when you do something new, fresh and original. Then, i think when you see a "creative freestyler" in this moment you compare with hardcore lower combos, and you will say: "well its cool, but nothing compared with the  long combos nt."thats only my theory that probably you think. Now THINK  in this,, i can say that:... for me is more diffcult, to create new tricks and a great variety of moves, and to create one style that nothing has done,,, than only,, you keep,. practicing the same moves all the time,, the same nts, the same combos, only in different order, and only with  one goal,,  that you can progress to do more long combos, and incorpore the most diffcult tricks in the earth that you saw in the youtube`s video "Top ten most diffcult freestyle tricks part 3" (patw,eldoatw,pmatw, skmtaw)and then you willbe the best freestyler in the world or one of the best.....for me noooooooooooooT,,
This sarcasm was only to explain that you can`t say,, that creative(in your point of view, because i explained what is creative for me),, is not hard,, or are not considered top athlets in the freestyle.
This  sport its not called, " Lower Freestyle football"?, "Sits freestyle football"?, "uppers freestyle football"?,
Its Called  only FREEstyle football,, FREE-FREE-FREE-FREE-FREE-FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!,
Its stupid  compare,, what trick  or style is more diffult, because each trick, combo or style,,, has his own and proper difficulty,
And each person  choose his way of freestyle football,, if your way, is  the  lower combos, , because you find it more difficult, good luck
enjoy your freestyle,all the people will apreciatte your freestyle, no doubt, But believe me,, when a guy juggle  the ball with the dick, will be too hardcore, because,  you need   to much training,, to much psicology(thinks in the hottest girl in the world), when a guy juggle 10 balls with one foot will be hardcore,  and in the actuality,, There are freestylers who make creative combos without any atw(why not call it: hardcore creative combos?), , and then, you need to acept, the freestyle ways that the people choose,, and acept that other styles need very much training like the lower combos, only in different ways.
And one thing more, the  creative, is not a category, for me there aren`t categories in the freestyle, all the people can be creative,,all the people can create new things, but in the freestyle there are only different styles,,  only that the freestyle that the most of the people practice is: lower(atw,nt),, upper and sits. And when you see something different of the classic, probably will be creative,, but its better  call it "a different style".
And please respect the other ways of freestyle, all the ways of freestyle  has his own difficulty, and all are amazing.
This is my point of view,, sorry for the bad english

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Re: Top Freestylers (Upper, Lower, Sits and All-round) - 2011 Edition
« Reply #27 on: Feb 18, 2011, 12:24: PM »
At the end of this thread, what will be the result? we will have a list of freestylers that no one will care about and everyone will disagree with.

IMO, A much better idea... which i have suggested before... would be a "Hot right now" page (or some kind of better name), that gets updated monthly, and lists afew freestylers (not in any order) who have had a big impact in that month, either by releasing an awesome video, winning a competition, doing a huge LP...

That way, guys who are new to the community can still go on and check out who the top freestylers are. However this way gives almost everyone in the community a chance to get on the page, plus we dont have all the disagreements.

I mean, i doubt anyone would ever check a list of top freestylers... i know i wouldn't, everyone already has their opinions on who is the best, so the list is going to mean a whole lot of nothing. However, with a page like my idea, i think lots of people would check it, because not only does it show who top freestylers are, it also gives you news of whats going on in the fs community... plus and also may feature awesome videos that you missed in the fs vids section.

In addition, you could feature a legends page, with people like palle, mr woo, Touzani... people who everyone universally accept as pioneers of our sport, just so beginners can check out where the sport came from.
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i think that is a very good idea. This idea gives "newcomers" a chance to showcase themselves where no one on bf have ever seen before. One example right now is Kazane from japan. His new videos can be placed in a "HOT" section, or something like "Someone to watch out for" section. This means that although his level not as high as skora, azun, mirko etc, his current level of freestyle is definitely great for his age.

Another idea would be for the level of style in their freestyle. I think generally all of us understands what a good style in freestyle is, say murilo, rocco, etc. Therefore it wouldn't be difficult to determine whether this or that new guy that just uploaded a video has a good style or not. If yes, probably his video can be showcased etcetc. Hope you guys get what i meant.

I think that would give every freestylers a chance of recognition on this forum. It's just my opinion. :)

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Re: Top Freestylers (Upper, Lower, Sits and All-round) - 2011 Edition
« Reply #28 on: Feb 18, 2011, 03:34: PM »
This...

...is...

...pointless...

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I don't agree.  If you look at the most active threads, both views and replies, you will see that both Rankings lists made the top 10 most discussed topics.  There is obviously an interest for it which makes it worthwhile.  How good it is is, that's completely up to us.

also... there is nothing here to recognise all rounders or creative freestylers... some of the best freestylers in the world aren't in the top 5 for either sits, lowers or uppers... but they are extremely good at all areas of freestyle, and good at linking those different areas with transitions ect....
imo, being an all rounder is what makes a "top freestyler".

Problem with this thread are:
1/ we will never be able to choose the absolute top freestylers that EVERYBODY will agree on. It's the matter of opinion.
2/ There's no category for allroundedness, which means freestylers like Szymo, or Arthur Mansilla will be left out.

When we have an overall Top 20, we hear members bitching about wanting lowers, uppers, sits, etc.  Now that we split it up, you are bitching about wanting overall.  There is no way to make all of you happy.  This is a list to give us some kind of "common" understanding of who is at the top of freestyle.  From FIFA's rankings to Vegas odds, no list is perfect - it's for information, entertainment, and for you to ultimately draw your own conclusion.

Its cool that just after three posts in this thread, we have a conflict!  :PDT_Armataz_01_37:

Conflict is OK... just make sure you post your list clearly so we can keep track of counts.  Post your reasons below the list or something.

adi ...congratiolations for getting the amount of posts back where it should be ...those posts always get things started :-)

Thanks mate but we have dipped again slightly.  We need to have more people starting new threads and getting new discussions going - it can't be the same people. 

What could be possible though, is a system that shows who has competed the best in competitions in the last year or something,  bigger competitions gives ppl more points for example if you get 3rd in prague you'll get 20 points and if you win polish championships you get 16 poinst etc etc..... and the guy who is in the lead would be respected and at the same time not argued about if he is the best or not, he might not be the best, but that is not what the list would be about.

Like you said, a system like this is hard to implement.  It can be done, but many freestylers would be left off because they can't make a comp for whatever reason.  Plus, we don't have that many big comps to keep the list very current.  Tons of great freestylers who submit videos only would also be left off and the comp might side more with LP freestylers.  I also have a feeling that some members on here would do a better job judging freestyle performances than some of the judges at a lot of comps.

what brings beginners to the forum is cuz they are searching for 'best in the world' list on in the internet. the list before where JF stood on #1 rank was a huge success i think and many believed in it (not me). so i know what adi is trying to do.
but imo fs has expanded way too much to confine it into a few lists.

You are right.  You are seeing the bigger picture here.  The impact on the forums activity, bringing new freestylers to the community, and generally growing freestyle.

At the end of this thread, what will be the result? we will have a list of freestylers that no one will care about and everyone will disagree with.

IMO, A much better idea... which i have suggested before... would be a "Hot right now" page (or some kind of better name), that gets updated monthly, and lists afew freestylers (not in any order) who have had a big impact in that month, either by releasing an awesome video, winning a competition, doing a huge LP...

That way, guys who are new to the community can still go on and check out who the top freestylers are. However this way gives almost everyone in the community a chance to get on the page, plus we dont have all the disagreements.

I mean, i doubt anyone would ever check a list of top freestylers... i know i wouldn't, everyone already has their opinions on who is the best, so the list is going to mean a whole lot of nothing. However, with a page like my idea, i think lots of people would check it, because not only does it show who top freestylers are, it also gives you news of whats going on in the fs community... plus and also may feature awesome videos that you missed in the fs vids section.

In addition, you could feature a legends page, with people like palle, mr woo, Touzani... people who everyone universally accept as pioneers of our sport, just so beginners can check out where the sport came from.

Members generally agreed on our last list.  A lot of people thought it was good.  While not everyone agreed with each ranking, the overall list was well respected.

I do like your idea, however.  We should certainly get a list like this started.  Do you think a list every month is too much?  We could start one right now for January, or maybe even all of 2010.  Then we can start a thread for every previous month.  Who wants to get it going?  Feel free to take the initiative since it was your idea.  We'll help push it with beyondfootball.com and our forum front page.
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Re: Top Freestylers (Upper, Lower, Sits and All-round) - 2011 Edition
« Reply #29 on: Feb 19, 2011, 02:16: AM »
this is useless... you can't do a list with the the "best freestylers" simply because we ALL have different opinions and the list will change by tomorrow as another freestyler makes a sick ass video or a sick performance... I agree on the "hot right now" list though... that would show whats hot in the community
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Re: Top Freestylers (Upper, Lower, Sits and All-round) - 2011 Edition
« Reply #30 on: Feb 19, 2011, 03:45: AM »

When we have an overall Top 20, we hear members bitching about wanting lowers, uppers, sits, etc.  Now that we split it up, you are bitching about wanting overall.  There is no way to make all of you happy.  This is a list to give us some kind of "common" understanding of who is at the top of freestyle.  From FIFA's rankings to Vegas odds, no list is perfect - it's for information, entertainment, and for you to ultimately draw your own conclusion.


Exactly Adi! That's why I say it's pointless!
Nobody will agree on anything on there, so list or no list is just the same as one another!
And what's more, these threads always create divisions among freestylers, just 2 page into this thread, and already we have a creative vs. hardcore argument going on. Every topic like this in the past has been so man. It's safer just to abolish this all together.
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Re: Top Freestylers (Upper, Lower, Sits and All-round) - 2011 Edition
« Reply #31 on: Feb 19, 2011, 05:11: AM »
This...

...is...

...pointless...

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I don't agree.  If you look at the most active threads, both views and replies, you will see that both Rankings lists made the top 10 most discussed topics.  There is obviously an interest for it which makes it worthwhile.  How good it is is, that's completely up to us.



this doesnt show that there is an interest for the list. in these topics people only say that lists are completely dumb, old and unfair.
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Re: Top Freestylers (Upper, Lower, Sits and All-round) - 2011 Edition
« Reply #32 on: Feb 20, 2011, 03:49: PM »
Xixo ftw!
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Re: Top Freestylers (Upper, Lower, Sits and All-round) - 2011 Edition
« Reply #33 on: Feb 20, 2011, 09:46: PM »
i find it sad that this forum has got to a point where there is so much bullshitting in 100000 word posts that i don't even bother reading the threads, just skim through...

who gives a flying fuck whether one person thinks creativity is bullshit or whatever.

still gonna say my opinion XD
- hardcore freestyle which demands huge amounts of body power and training = sport
- creative freestyle which requires the mind to come up with new ideas = art

because i don't personally give a fuck about upper or sit i will give my top lower fsers (in no order).
- mirko, mp, skora, becs, azun, rocco, german, ars.

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Re: Top Freestylers (Upper, Lower, Sits and All-round) - 2011 Edition
« Reply #34 on: Feb 20, 2011, 09:55: PM »
i find it sad that this forum has got to a point where there is so much bullshitting in 100000 word posts that i don't even bother reading the threads, just skim through...

who gives a flying fuck whether one person thinks creativity is bullshit or whatever.


isn't that what a forums for? discussing things? just saying...
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Re: Top Freestylers (Upper, Lower, Sits and All-round) - 2011 Edition
« Reply #35 on: Feb 21, 2011, 12:16: AM »
i find it sad that this forum has got to a point where there is so much bullshitting in 100000 word posts that i don't even bother reading the threads, just skim through...

who gives a flying fuck whether one person thinks creativity is bullshit or whatever.


isn't that what a forums for? discussing things? just saying...