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Re: Fidel Castro
« Reply #36 on: Feb 23, 2008, 04:31: PM »
Your whole argument deals with examples of the United States. My argument is not that the United States is some angel that does no wrong. You are misunderstanding. Biased? No. I look at the facts of Hugo Chavez and his regime, not what other countries, like the United States, are doing around the world. It does not matter if the United States "backs the Isreal". My point was that Chavez harbors thousands of rebel communist organizations, and subsequently grants them power to vote for him.
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Re: Fidel Castro
« Reply #37 on: Feb 23, 2008, 06:26: PM »
If Hugo Chavez wasn't in charge some US puppet would be in charge most of the countries recurses would be controlled by the US while the poor are neglected of course its always going to come back to the US. Why are they so interested in Chavez and trying to get rid of him and Castro..... If it doesn't matter who the US harbors than I guess it doesn't matter who Chavez chooses to harbor. Those people you consider rebels are considered freedom fighters by others.

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Re: Fidel Castro
« Reply #38 on: Feb 23, 2008, 06:39: PM »
melbourne has good points


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Re: Fidel Castro
« Reply #39 on: Feb 23, 2008, 09:28: PM »
i have a cuban and he hates castro he says living in a communis land is the worst thing, he always says people in cuba cant do a shit cause the government is always behind you. he says people cant buy things ecause the gouvernment will ask you where did you get the money to buy it. i think we all should be happy cause fidel is going becuase i think people in cuba will have a better live. thats my opinion(and also my friends opinion)
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Re: Fidel Castro
« Reply #40 on: Feb 24, 2008, 05:05: AM »
If Hugo Chavez wasn't in charge some US puppet would be in charge most of the countries recurses would be controlled by the US while the poor are neglected of course its always going to come back to the US. Why are they so interested in Chavez and trying to get rid of him and Castro..... If it doesn't matter who the US harbors than I guess it doesn't matter who Chavez chooses to harbor. Those people you consider rebels are considered freedom fighters by others.

Where am I saying that "it doesn't matter who the US harbors?" I'm telling you that it does not factor in to the argument. South America is not in charge by "US puppets", the whole area is progressing towards socialism at the moment. Look at Brasil's president for example. From what I understand, you fully support socialism and communism, and there is nothing wrong with that. But it is more than just putting roofs over peoples heads. Sure, you may think that the people in Venezuela are happy. Let's say they are completely content with everything Chavez does for them. What about the things that Chavez does with the nations money, when he funds different rebel organizations, drug trades, and other obviously illegal things? You are agreeing with the fact that he should be able to grant illegals the power to vote for him. If you want to argue this, you need to X out the United States and what they do with other countries, who they harbor, etc. We are focusing on Venezuela only.

The people considered rebels are indeed freedom fighters to others. Does that make what they do right? The FARC is considered a terrorist group in over 30 countries, Colombia included. They believe that they are fighting for a good cause, which most movements like these tend to think. But in the broad scheme of things, they are not changing anything, and the more people they kidnapp, the worse it all becomes. A way to free a country of poverty does involve a president who can put food on people's tables, and roofs over thier heads. But is that all he must do? He must be able to control a countries cash flow, help its economy stabilize, and must also eliminate crime. Do you know one of the issues that Chavez rarely comments on is the crime in Venezuela? He hasn't been able to control that aspect of society. People are still dying, but he's too busy counting out how much he's making by jacking up the price of oil, selling it, and seeing off the dollars into his pocket and the pockets of people like Evo Morales.

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Re: Fidel Castro
« Reply #41 on: Feb 25, 2008, 01:26: PM »
I'm not arguing for myself dammit.

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Re: Fidel Castro
« Reply #42 on: Feb 25, 2008, 03:45: PM »
Who the hell are you talking to?

There is not a government in the world that dose not fund illegal activities in one way or another and thats the truth. The spokes people for democracy across the world ;) have sponsored and supported more ruthless dictators around the world. As for Brazil progressing? they have the highest if not the second highest crime rate in the world. Its easy to criticize others. Chavez wanted to distribute the power down the to the people so they can make the changes that they want to make. Hes proposed changing the voting age from 18 to 16, changing working hours for 8 to 6 and for him being able staying in power as long as the people of Venezuela elected him this is whats got the ones against him sour. There is nothing wrong with this seeing as some 'democratic' countries for example Sweden had the same prime minster for 20 years. He won the election in 98 with 59% of the population voting for him. Hes had 11 referendums and won 10. The number of voters in Venezuela has increased is this not a democratic country??. What your going to tell me all these people voting for him are illegals camon there is much more Venezuelans over there than illegals.

You said it yourself the US is not an angel Chavez isn't either. Its very hypocritical that the US constantly criticize the man and even try to take him by funding coups against him. Everyone makes mistakes you must realize that. I respect Chavez and Castro because they do their own thing and don't allow the US to oversee every move they make. I don't pay any attention to all this western right wing propaganda. too much double standards. I agree he dose wrong but who isn't? theres worse things going on in other countries than no one pays attention to in the west, but because they dislike some people they keep airing negative things about them. You wont be able to convince me he is a terrible leader and I won't be able to convince you he is a good leader, I really don't see the point of this anymore.
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Re: Fidel Castro
« Reply #43 on: Feb 25, 2008, 04:42: PM »
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Re: Fidel Castro
« Reply #44 on: Feb 25, 2008, 06:12: PM »
I think we can agree to disagree. There is always different sides of the spectrum.

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Re: Fidel Castro
« Reply #45 on: Feb 25, 2008, 06:28: PM »
i don't agree to that

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Re: Fidel Castro
« Reply #46 on: Feb 25, 2008, 07:48: PM »
i agree


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Re: Fidel Castro
« Reply #47 on: Feb 26, 2008, 04:53: AM »
It's fine.