How is this Hamas fault? Because of Israeli blockades there is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza. Stop talking about the past and avoiding the current situation. You seemed to be brainwashed by Zionist propaganda, defending Israel at any cost, its always the Palestinians fault to you. In your mind Israel are right, GOD gave them that land and they can do as they will, laws don't matter unless they favor Israel of course. You've all got that ape mentality ''this is my land fuck off''. It doesn't work like that, Jews and Palestinians can live side by side in peace, but for that to happen Israel (the occupying government) needs to be eliminated. Palestenians would resist peacefully if they could and march to Jerusalem in millions if they could, but the army would gun them down as soon as they pass the barriers the Israeli government has created.
The world wouldn't allow for this to happen anywhere else but Israel. Bullying another nation and religious persecution is unexceptionable. A bunch of fundamentalists who think they have the right to fight for and kill for a land because god gave it to the 2000 years ago, the west would be criticizing this like they where doing in the Georgian situation. But because its Israel they allowed to persecute based on religion or cultural identity, its alright your not the only one with these double standards.
The violent Palestinians like Hamas/Islamic Jihad are a byproduct of occupation and Israeli repression, years of brutality on the Palestinian people, while Jews live the high life eating well, while on the other side children are getting killed and starving to death in refugee camps daily. Now you have the nerve to complain about Hamas? I try not to insult you, but the more I read your shit, the more I begin to think you have the value system of a pig. Using Jews being persecuted in the past as an excuse for whats the genocide of the Palestinians thats been taking place for the last 60 years.
Israel choose to occupy Palestine (no one invited them) and now its their responsibility, other wise they can leave, maybe America can clear out Texas and host an Israeli state if they love them so much?? Instead Israel of moving towards peace, they choose to build barb wired walls to imprison Palestinians in their own neighborhoods isolated from the rest of the world.
Your whole debating style reminds me of a Fox news presenter, framing your whole arguments like a neocon would when he talks about the war on terrorism. You ignore the brutality of Israel and complain about Palestinian methods of resistance. Why do you neglect to see how the Israelis have been treating Palestine people like second class citizens at best and at other times like shit? Saying anything to defend Israel. Last time we argued you even blamed Jordan and Syria for the Palestinian refugee crisis. Your an apologetically racist at least other try to hide it, no sane person can take what you say seriously. Some times its like your implying that Palestinians are genetically predisposed to violence and are in need of oppressive control by avoiding the fact the crimes committed against the Palestinians by Israelis which far outweigh the reverse situation. Oppressing people will not curb violence.
You complain about Hamas but its in Israels best interest that they remain in power, remember Israel refused acknowledge Arafat & the PLO as the representatives of the Palestinian people this is what gave legitimacy to groups like Hamas in the Palestinian community in the first place. Every As long as these groups are around Israel can go into panic mode provoke off an altercation to try and gain sympathy from the Washington, its always being the case this charade has gone on for too long.
Don't support occupation it will only cause more lives and incite more violence. Israel will maintain the occupation and will continue to build illegal settlements thats why, every peace deal in the past failed and will continue to fail.
1) I don't even believe in an interventionalist god, as I think we've discussed before. God hasn't ever given anyone anything.
2) Most Islamic extremists believe that god gave THEM Israel, so there is a standoff ideologically
3) When have I ever said that Israel is blameless? I think they do alot wrong, and I don't know if you've ever met any zionists, but I sure as hell have. He is my uncle, and I made him storm out of the room because I may well have caused him to doubt the existence of god. I hate extremists of any kind.
4) actually, Britain and the UN invited the Jews to Israel....
5) The army would gun nobody down withn Israel unless they were violent. I highly doubt that such a human rights violation would go unheeded, and Israel would probably get fucked on the international stage. So no, gunning down of innocents inside Jerusalem just wouldn't happen
6) Hamas is the Palestinian government at this time..Israel is only puting up blockades because Hamas is using the Gaza strip to shoot missiles into Israel
7) This:
The violent Palestinians like Hamas/Islamic Jihad are a byproduct of occupation and Israeli repression, years of brutality on the Palestinian people, while Jews live the high life eating well, while on the other side children are getting killed and starving to death in refugee camps daily. Now you have the nerve to complain about Hamas? I try not to insult you, but the more I read your shit, the more I begin to think you have the value system of a pig. Using Jews being persecuted in the past as an excuse for whats the genocide of the Palestinians thats been taking place for the last 60 years is such bullshit. The Jews never led the 'high life.' They had to fight two wars with 6 countries to keep their country. I'm not using the Jews' persecution 60 years ago as an excuse, I'm using it as a refutation for freakiness's argument stating 'nobody hates the Jews, and everybody hates the muslims.' You must admit, the Jews are one of the most hated people on earth. Which is sad. Now don't get me wrong, I want the situation in Palestine to end, but I don't think the full weight of the blame should be placed squarely on Israeli shoulders. Yes Israel are partly to blame. Yes they've made some bad mistakes, done some immoral things. BUT so have Hamas when they took up the mantle of leadership and then executed no domestic services for their people. So have Syria, so have the Jordan when they wouldn't let the Palestinian refugees into their countries. As I said, the world is a more complex place than you think it is.
Hamas and Islamic Jihad are not byproducts of 'Israeli oppression.' They are byproducts of a historical worldview that cannot tolerate the existence of Israel as a Jewish state. The Islamic Empire regarded the Jews as second class citizens for so long that they could not overcome that bias. Indeed, Bin Laden once said something along the lines of 'let there not be another Spain' on the subject of Israel. Spain (or its souther half) was once the Islamic province of Al Andalus until the Reconquista in which the christians conquered it back. Likewise, Israel was once an Islamic state, and now the Jews have conquered it, thereby causing the figurative 'Islamic sphere of influence' to lose another 'province.' See what I mean?
Also, Israel did recognize Arafat as a leader, and he and Israeli leader Yitzchak Rabin won the nobel peace prize for negotiating a treaty which Arafat promptly broke once Rabin was assassinated in 1995. Still, though, Ehud Barak kept faith, but Arafat would not accept the offer of land that Barak made (a great portion of Israel) due to the influence of Hamas. And Israel promoted the recent democratic elections in Palestine.
I don't list the stuff they've done wrong because it's obvious. The fence. Ocupying Gaza. Not responding to terrorist attacks with enough caution for the innocent people caught in the crossfire. Allowing for more occupation due to pressure from the ultra-orthodox. Etc...
By the way, I think all these Jewish North American ultra-orthodox settler types who colonized Gaza are assholes and should never have been there. Gaza should have always been Palestinian land.
And omar, man, I love you (no homo), but what the hell is this fox news shit?
