September 11th.. conspiracy or not?

[cigar omar]

Animal? Yeah he was. But you have to admit Iraq was in a much better condition when he was in charge people where not being murdered on the streets like this. The US occupation has only sparked lawlessness and ethnic rivalries both didn't really exist under Saddam. Now the US has sparked a civil war even if they do pull out, Iraq will still be a mess. They make him out to be an animal, he was the same dictator the US used to fight proxy wars against Iran.   :down:

America are backing Mubarak in Egypt and Musharaf in Pakistan and all over the world there are dictators with no ''democratic elections'' who usually take out their rivals. Where the the world police??? People need to understand it wasn't about Saddam, because if it was than US would be fighting wars all over the world. The most brutal dictators where the Us backed.


Heres a few dictators the CIA and other US agencies has backed in the passed. Notice all the mass murderers? and how most of them where never punished for their crimes.

General Jorge Rafael Videla, President of ARGENTINA
Colonel Hugo Banzer, President of BOLIVIA
General Humberto Branco, President of BRAZIL
Sir Hassanal Bolkiah, the Sultan of BRUNEI
General Augusto Pinochet, President of CHILE
Fulgencio Batista, President of CUBA
Rafael Leonidas Trujillo, President of the DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
Maximiliano Hernandez Martinez, General of EL SALVADOR
Alfredo Cristiani, President of EL SALVADOR
Halie Selassie, Emperor of ETHIOPIA
General Sitiveni Rabuka, Commander, Armed Forces of FIJI
Adolf Hitler, Chancellor of GERMANY
George Papadopoulos, Prime Minister of GREECE
General Efrain Rios Mont, President of GUATEMALA
Vinicio Cerezo, President of GUATEMALA
François & Jean Claude Duvalier, Presidents-for-Life of HAITI
Roberto Suazo Cordova, President of HONDURAS
General Suharto, President of INDONESIA
Mohammad Reza Pahlevi, Shah of IRAN, King of Kings
General Samuel Doe, President of LIBERIA
Hussan II, King of MOROCCO
Anastasio Somoza, Sr. And Jr., Presidents of NICARAGUA
Mohammed Zia Ul-Haq, President of PAKISTAN
General Manuel Noriega, Chief of Defense forces, PANAMA
Alfredo Stroessner, President-for-Life of PARAGUAY
Ferdinand Marcos, President of the PHILIPPINES
Antonio De Oliveira Salazar, Prime Minister of PORTUGAL
Ian Smith, Prime Minister of RHODESIA
P. W. Botha, President of SOUTH AFRICA
Park Chung Hee, President of SOUTH KOREA
Ngo Dinh Diem, President of SOUTH VIET NAM
General Francisco Franco, President of SPAIN
Chiang Kai-Shek, President of TAIWAN
Turgut Ozal, Prime Minister of TURKEY
Mobutu Sese Seko, President of ZAIRE

 

[Adi]

Saddam Hussein killed innocent people. We don't even know half of it here. He's killed people for no good reason. And this was not done just a few times, he's done it to hundreds, probably thousands of people. The only reason he remained in charge was because people feared him. That's not what you want. Most people wanted him out of there, but were too afraid to speak out. Once he was killed, you could see people were happy. The only ones backing him were extremists who were insane like him.

As far as the post-Saddam era goes, that remains a question mark. I believe the US needs to get out of these and let them run the show. Maybe they can find a way to create a democracy with a new leader. People over there dislike the US for the most part. They won't all of a sudden like the Americans, so I think it's best to get out of there. This hate is something that's passed from one generation to another. Until the current generation over there is gone, things will not change in regard to them liking the US.

[SeBaS]

Animal? Yeah he was. But you have to admit Iraq was in a much better condition when he was in charge people where not being murdered on the streets like this. The US occupation has only sparked lawlessness and ethnic rivalries both didn't really exist under Saddam. Now the US has sparked a civil war even if they do pull out, Iraq will still be a mess. They make him out to be an animal, he was the same dictator the US used to fight proxy wars against Iran.   :down:

America are backing Mubarak in Egypt and Musharaf in Pakistan and all over the world there are dictators with no ''democratic elections'' who usually take out their rivals. Where the the world police??? People need to understand it wasn't about Saddam, because if it was than US would be fighting wars all over the world. The most brutal dictators where the Us backed.


Heres a few dictators the CIA and other US agencies has backed in the passed. Notice all the mass murderers? and how most of them where never punished for their crimes.

General Jorge Rafael Videla, President of ARGENTINA
Colonel Hugo Banzer, President of BOLIVIA
General Humberto Branco, President of BRAZIL
Sir Hassanal Bolkiah, the Sultan of BRUNEI
General Augusto Pinochet, President of CHILE
Fulgencio Batista, President of CUBA
Rafael Leonidas Trujillo, President of the DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
Maximiliano Hernandez Martinez, General of EL SALVADOR
Alfredo Cristiani, President of EL SALVADOR
Halie Selassie, Emperor of ETHIOPIA
General Sitiveni Rabuka, Commander, Armed Forces of FIJI
Adolf Hitler, Chancellor of GERMANY
George Papadopoulos, Prime Minister of GREECE
General Efrain Rios Mont, President of GUATEMALA
Vinicio Cerezo, President of GUATEMALA
François & Jean Claude Duvalier, Presidents-for-Life of HAITI
Roberto Suazo Cordova, President of HONDURAS
General Suharto, President of INDONESIA
Mohammad Reza Pahlevi, Shah of IRAN, King of Kings
General Samuel Doe, President of LIBERIA
Hussan II, King of MOROCCO
Anastasio Somoza, Sr. And Jr., Presidents of NICARAGUA
Mohammed Zia Ul-Haq, President of PAKISTAN
General Manuel Noriega, Chief of Defense forces, PANAMA
Alfredo Stroessner, President-for-Life of PARAGUAY
Ferdinand Marcos, President of the PHILIPPINES
Antonio De Oliveira Salazar, Prime Minister of PORTUGAL
Ian Smith, Prime Minister of RHODESIA
P. W. Botha, President of SOUTH AFRICA
Park Chung Hee, President of SOUTH KOREA
Ngo Dinh Diem, President of SOUTH VIET NAM
General Francisco Franco, President of SPAIN
Chiang Kai-Shek, President of TAIWAN
Turgut Ozal, Prime Minister of TURKEY
Mobutu Sese Seko, President of ZAIRE

 

well there are few of em that shouldnt be on that list
for example hitler, pinochet or batista they really did bad things and killed innocent people (specially hitler and pinochet) everyone hated them

[sputnik]

well there are few of em that shouldnt be on that list
for example hitler, pinochet or batista they really did bad things and killed innocent people (specially hitler and pinochet) everyone hated them

well duh, thats the point. they were genocidal silly billies and us agencies still financially backed them.

[cigar omar]

Saddam Hussein killed innocent people. We don't even know half of it here. He's killed people for no good reason. And this was not done just a few times, he's done it to hundreds, probably thousands of people. The only reason he remained in charge was because people feared him. That's not what you want. Most people wanted him out of there, but were too afraid to speak out. Once he was killed, you could see people were happy. The only ones backing him were extremists who were insane like him.

As far as the post-Saddam era goes, that remains a question mark. I believe the US needs to get out of these and let them run the show. Maybe they can find a way to create a democracy with a new leader. People over there dislike the US for the most part. They won't all of a sudden like the Americans, so I think it's best to get out of there. This hate is something that's passed from one generation to another. Until the current generation over there is gone, things will not change in regard to them liking the US.

I agree with the bold part 100% he was an evil mother fucker.  :thumbsup:.  I know lots of Iraqi people and everyone of them will tell you they hated him but they will also tell you Iraq was in a much better situation under him than it is now. Of course not everyone hated him because you can't stay win power for that long if everyone hates you. He kept a balance he helped those who supported him and tortured those who opposed him, which is wrong.  But the US didn't go into Iraq to take him out it was an excuse because they could have taken him out long ago. No one really trusts the US government anymore.

The death tolls are raising everyday, your CNNs and Fox news' don't tell you whats really happening on the streets the real figures of civilian casualties. I even reckon the American troops death toll is much higher than they are saying its a big mess. The Us pulls out everyone will turn on the puppets they put in charge. Sad to say but civil war is pretty much unavoidable  :bang:.

[SeBaS]

well there are few of em that shouldnt be on that list
for example hitler, pinochet or batista they really did bad things and killed innocent people (specially hitler and pinochet) everyone hated them

well duh, thats the point. they were genocidal silly billies and us agencies still financially backed them.

wtf? hitler had nothing 2 do with da USA

[Bow]

and the thing is america went to iraq and afganistan for "weapons of mass destruction" they found 0, we all know they went there for the oil, everything they do is for money... the longer the war goes on the more money they get. They don't seem to really care about there troops, or the loss of lives, its alll about money. The current us government are just as bad as saddam was.

[Adi]

The UN, for once, was right with all the mass destruction investigating. The US wouldn't listen though.