i think if there ever is a 4 revolution move, there will be lots of advances on the patw before that happens
eg....
pmatw nt amatw etc...
apatw - apatw
patw-patw
anders abbas palle atw
abbas palle atw
ptatw
magellan nt atw
tb-heel nt lemmens
ltatw nt almatw
i think after theese sorts of combos are completed, then i will have belief