well, i started doing out atw from stall, and i learned how to do 5 atw out from stall, but then, i found out that it was easier for me to do inside atw, and i cant do inside atw from footstall, so i started practising from juggles, and it took me like 1-2 weeks to get it every time, and about 2-3 months to do a multiple atw 9 times