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Soccer => Soccer Forum => Topic started by: redsforlife on Nov 06, 2012, 04:17: AM
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Post all talk about the English Premier League on this thread.
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What's happening to these guys? Do you think their manager is going to be sacked soon?
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He must be on his way out.... an 8-0 defeat isn't really something to be proud of
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didn't they came undefeated in 6 games before losing 8-0 in this one?? :017:
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All draws and they beat Reading and Liverpool(no idea how that happened). But before that they lost 5-0 to MC. 3 games with the combined score of 17-0. He can't be losing by such a big margin just because they're high end teams, that's a revolting score difference.
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Their problem has been their transfers. When was the last time they brought in someone good?
They let go of Milner and Downing and never replaced them. They brought in Stephen Ireland but he never brought his Man City form from the year he got transfered in the Milner deal.
They got Darren Bent who was good last few seasons but he seems to have fallen off. I suppose he was never a complete player, just a finisher. Now that he's got nobody to deliver him the ball, he's turned into an average forward.
If Benbow posted still he'd be able to tell you more. He's a die hard Villa fan.
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Their problem has been their transfers. When was the last time they brought in someone good?
They let go of Milner and Downing and never replaced them. They brought in Stephen Ireland but he never brought his Man City form from the year he got transfered in the Milner deal.
They got Darren Bent who was good last few seasons but he seems to have fallen off. I suppose he was never a complete player, just a finisher. Now that he's got nobody to deliver him the ball, he's turned into an average forward.
If Benbow posted still he'd be able to tell you more. He's a die hard Villa fan.
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It'll be interesting to see what happens during transfers. I hear Chelsea have lots of links..I don't think it's all that necessary to spend more.
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agbonlahor is outta form too... and yes they didn't get their job done right at the tranfer window too... jan would be interesting if they could come out of this shit...
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Let's not forget about Ashley Young. They lost their entire midfield.
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they got sold :grin:
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20-0
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Another loss today... 3-0. :017:
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theyre done for
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They need to bring in someone with a bit of experience in January, or at the very least get Vlaar and Dunne back on the pitch. Benteke looks like he can cause all sorts of problems though
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I merged this with the Premier League Thread. It is Premier League talk, so all Prem talk should be done here.
Edit: My first use of Admin powers :098:
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Liverpool are running riot on QPR. 3-0 to Liverpool and not even half time. 2 goals from Suarez and 1 from Agger.
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Qpr have looked awful though, at one stage 2 of their players were talking to each other when the ball was about 15 yards away. No pressure on the ball
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I feel bad for Redknap. He's a brilliant manager and even he can't handle that bunch of overrated slobs.
Lots of "talent" on that team but no "team."
There have been tons of goals in the Premier League this weekend. :great:
Dzeko with the hattrick! :grin:
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Getting to be a bit of a joke are QPR at this stage, I can't believe the attitude of some of their players, Cisse walked around today, maybe breaking into a jog at stages
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woohoo Agger my man, defending the national colours!! :sign0098: :grin:
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I merged this with the Premier League Thread. It is Premier League talk, so all Prem talk should be done here.
Edit: My first use of Admin powers :098:
What gives!? This is going to produce less comments. When it's separated you can talk about the club in depth but in here it's going to be general shit.
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What gives!? This is going to produce less comments. When it's separated you can talk about the club in depth but in here it's going to be general shit.
We didn't even have Premier League talk at all. Having a separate club limits the threads potential. It's definitely going to be easier to have one Premier League thread with general chat than 20 individual team threads with most having no posts at all.
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What gives!? This is going to produce less comments. When it's separated you can talk about the club in depth but in here it's going to be general shit.
we can still talk about the club in depth, thats still premier league
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it's cool man... aston villa ain't good enough to get a seperate thread for itself... premier league is okey :grin:
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Starting new threads does generate more posts per topic. That's why I created the separate Champions League topics for the big games. I know what Jason is thinking though. Merging it keeps things more organized and the activity isn't high enough for so many threads, plus it pushes down the overall popular topics.
I still think it's better to have some individual topics. Not a lot, but certainly some for the big games. Say Man U plays Man City end of season which will most likely decide the season... then we should probably start a new thread for the game instead of using this topic. It's just proven that you get more responses in separate threads for big events because as LIS said, people go into more detail instead of having their brain wonder to the next topic.
Just my $0.02.
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For something like the Premier League, it really has to be 1 main topic and maybe(I emphasize maybe) topics for very big games. This thread had 0 posts in it before the topics were merged. If they weren't merged, it's very likely both threads would have died before too long. I was personally against the separate threads for the Champions League, but that definitely makes more sense for separation. Especially with the current CL format, the talk will be entirely about 2 games per week. Also, in most cases in the Prem, the talk will be mainly about big games. Unfortunately, the smaller games are the ones that will be overlooked, but they also probably don't have enough interests for their own thread either.
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Premier League's next round of fixtures listed below. What matches will you be watching. I honestly only care about the Liverpool x Sunderland game.
Tuesday, January 1, 2013
Time Home Away TV Venue
7:45 ET West Bromwich Albion v Fulham The Hawthorns
10:00 ET Manchester City v Stoke City Etihad Stadium
10:00 ET Swansea City v Aston Villa Liberty Stadium
10:00 ET Tottenham Hotspur v Reading White Hart Lane
10:00 ET West Ham United v Norwich City Upton Park
10:00 ET Wigan Athletic v Manchester United DW Stadium
12:30 ET Southampton v Arsenal The Friends Provident St Mary's Stadium
Wednesday, January 2, 2013
Time Home Away TV Venue
2:45 ET Chelsea v Queens Park Rangers Stamford Bridge
2:45 ET Liverpool v Sunderland Anfield
3:00 ET Newcastle United v Everton St. James Park
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Chelsea/QPR put your money on 4.5+ goals. I can smell it.
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MAN C vs Stoke city for sure 3-0 victory...
i hope wigan defeat MAN U.. it's tough though... :sign0151:
but i want city to win the league :victory:
btw, thanks for that schedule :13:
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MAN C vs Stoke city for sure 3-0 victory...
i hope wigan defeat MAN U.. it's tough though... :sign0151:
but i want city to win the league :victory:
btw, thanks for that schedule :13:
For sure? No way! Stoke defend well.
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I have to agree with LIS. Now, I agree City are firm favorites, but Stoke are a strong and somewhat underrated team in my opinion. They get kind of a bad rep for their almost barbaric style, but it has worked year after year. You can never just assume they will lose. They can very much surprise you.
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For sure? No way! Stoke defend well.
I have to agree with LIS. Now, I agree City are firm favorites, but Stoke are a strong and somewhat underrated team in my opinion. They get kind of a bad rep for their almost barbaric style, but it has worked year after year. You can never just assume they will lose. They can very much surprise you.
ummm... may be... but being a MAN City fan... i'll ben on man city sure... let's see what happens :victory:
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how can u be man city fan??? i hope they get their ass kicked by stoke! :grin:
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how can u be man city fan??? i hope they get their ass kicked by stoke! :grin:
looooooool no !!!! :91:
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haha i never seen that smiley b4... but if you're lucky the city-stoke match WILL end 3-0 as u said :) seems like united is winning too...and ofc, aston villa in problems against Swansea! Must be because of the awesome danish manager in Swansea, Michael Laudrup :13:
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MAN C vs Stoke city for sure 3-0 victory...
i hope wigan defeat MAN U.. it's tough though... :sign0151:
but i want city to win the league :victory:
btw, thanks for that schedule :13:
Any other magical predictions?
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Premier League is insane with the amount of games they have their teams play during the winter. All other leagues are on break, and the Prem has 2-3 games a week. Really inconsiderate towards the players if you ask me. It's probably the only time all year players get a break due to all the competitions over the summer.
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Premier League is insane with the amount of games they have their teams play during the winter. All other leagues are on break, and the Prem has 2-3 games a week. Really inconsiderate towards the players if you ask me. It's probably the only time all year players get a break due to all the competitions over the summer.
As a fan, I don't care. I just want to be entertained. My only complaint about it is I can only watch the Premier League. I am happy the other leagues start up again this weekend.
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Premier League is insane with the amount of games they have their teams play during the winter. All other leagues are on break, and the Prem has 2-3 games a week. Really inconsiderate towards the players if you ask me. It's probably the only time all year players get a break due to all the competitions over the summer.
You don't get paid thousands of dollars a week to play football to just sit around.
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haha MAN C vs stoke 3-0 as I said yippiiiiiii !!! :sign0066:
Any other magical predictions?
naah... it's enough for now... i am sad that united won though and with a bigger margin too... i hope city comes to the top and stays there till the end :great:
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It's good for the fans but not the players. They just increase their likelihood of injury and burn out. I think it hurts them at the end of the season in important European games and summer competitions. You always hear of players complaining how the summer tournaments alone can impact their play in the next season. Now add 12 months of continuous play and you're doing something wrong.
LIS, they are still humans. Just because they get paid a lot doesn't mean they shouldn't get an equal shake like the other leagues. Almost all leagues have a winter window for a reason.
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Luis Suarez is an amazing player. He's got a goal and an assist already in the first half against Sunderland. For me, he's been the best player in the league this season.
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He's good but he's the biggest diving cheat in the league. Hate him for that.
He had a slow start to the season missing a lot of clear cut chances as well.
He's one of the best strikers though. Makes things happen. As far as best player of the season goes, that's RVP without a doubt. He's actually managed to make Rooney look like an average bloke.
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He's good but he's the biggest diving cheat in the league. Hate him for that.
He had a slow start to the season missing a lot of clear cut chances as well.
He's one of the best strikers though. Makes things happen. As far as best player of the season goes, that's RVP without a doubt. He's actually managed to make Rooney look like an average bloke.
true that :iagree: sup with liverpool ? are they done too?
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He's good but he's the biggest diving cheat in the league. Hate him for that.
He had a slow start to the season missing a lot of clear cut chances as well.
He's one of the best strikers though. Makes things happen. As far as best player of the season goes, that's RVP without a doubt. He's actually managed to make Rooney look like an average bloke.
I'm actually quite tired of hearing this shit. Yes, he does dive a bit often even for me, but he's definitely not the worst cheat in the entire league. There are several players in the league just as bad, and there are probably some even worse. The media has hounded him for what many attacking players do in football.
Also, how is it so clear RVP is better? RVP has one more goal in the league than Suarez, and he plays on a far superior team, and is the main penalty taker. Suarez's only set piece goals have been either direct free kicks or headers. He's also had 2 legitimate goals that I can recall off the top of my head wrongfully disallowed. For me, RVP and Suarez have been the two top players in the league. After those two, it gets a bit more tricky.
Rooney has always been one of the most overrated players in world football. He's a very good player, but he doesn't even make my top 5 Premier League strikers. Hernandez has arguably been better than him this season.
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It's good for the fans but not the players. They just increase their likelihood of injury and burn out. I think it hurts them at the end of the season in important European games and summer competitions. You always hear of players complaining how the summer tournaments alone can impact their play in the next season. Now add 12 months of continuous play and you're doing something wrong.
LIS, they are still humans. Just because they get paid a lot doesn't mean they shouldn't get an equal shake like the other leagues. Almost all leagues have a winter window for a reason.
There rest is at the end of the season.
In those leagues they get paid lower on average though.
Also, how is it so clear RVP is better? RVP has one more goal in the league than Suarez, and he plays on a far superior team, and is the main penalty taker. Suarez's only set piece goals have been either direct free kicks or headers. He's also had 2 legitimate goals that I can recall off the top of my head wrongfully disallowed. For me, RVP and Suarez have been the two top players in the league. After those two, it gets a bit more tricky.
It's clear because he does great in every game and not just a few games. Why is MU such a far superior team? It's just the strikers that are carrying the team. They don't many outstanding midfielders. Quick check on fantasy EPL scores and the midfielders are doing amazingly poorly or 50 or so points and then we look at RVP on 149 points.
Johnson is supposed to be the best RB in the league, Agger and Skrtel are amazing players, Gerrard can still perform well, Sterling is doing pretty well and Suarez has the most goals so he's definitely up there. Maybe their flow and manager aren't as good or the play style doesn't suit the players but the players are not far inferior to MU.
Glad everyone is concentrating on MU and Liverpool and aren't talking about the Chelsea/QPR game.
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LIS- What are you talking about Suarez not doing it every game? He definitely does it just as often as RVP in big or small games. Also, I'm not going to even begin to think Liverpool's midfield or other supporting attackers on are United's level. United are just better than Liverpool at the moment. Shockingly, they might have a weaker defense than Liverpool, but Liverpool haven't been too great themselves. Stats don't say everything about how they play. Just look at the players on Liverpool, and look at the players on United. With a few exceptions, the United players are just better currently. I don't like it, but it's true. Players like Downing and Henderson wouldn't see the field at United at the moment.
In the end, they are statistically very close, and they are both the main attacking influence for their team. The only major difference is Liverpool has far less players scoring as well.
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Not Premier League, English lower leagues, but this is very funny.
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Glad everyone is concentrating on MU and Liverpool and aren't talking about the Chelsea/QPR game.
how can the European champions be playing so bad!
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I'm actually quite tired of hearing this shit. Yes, he does dive a bit often even for me, but he's definitely not the worst cheat in the entire league. There are several players in the league just as bad, and there are probably some even worse. The media has hounded him for what many attacking players do in football.
Of course the media is after him and rightfully so. He deserves it. He didn't do himself any favors after the 2010 World Cup either. He falls too much. Just as much as any other top diver. No excuses. Others should be called out by the media too, but Suarez is still one of the biggest offenders.
Also, how is it so clear RVP is better? RVP has one more goal in the league than Suarez, and he plays on a far superior team, and is the main penalty taker. Suarez's only set piece goals have been either direct free kicks or headers. He's also had 2 legitimate goals that I can recall off the top of my head wrongfully disallowed. For me, RVP and Suarez have been the two top players in the league. After those two, it gets a bit more tricky.
RVP also has 6 assists which is 4th best in the league. I don't see Suarez anywhere near the top on that list. Also, RVP finishes much better. Suarez creates a lot and I credit him for that, but he's not quite the finisher RVP is. RVP is not ahead by much but he's definitely the top player so far this season.
There rest is at the end of the season.
In those leagues they get paid lower on average though.
Most of these players don't get rest at the end of the season though. Summer competitions are usually happening every summers. Every other league has a winter break, why not England? I would not be a fan of that if I were playing in England. Players need the rest especially when most play 2 games a week.
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how can the European champions be playing so bad!
Because they are the worst European Champions of all time. Pathetic display of football to win that trophy. Glad they are suffering...
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Pictures of the Mancini vs Balotelli bust up.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2256586/Mario-Balotelli-Roberto-Mancini-training-ground-fight.html
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Redknapp talks about Di Canio. :043:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgAbu4zOxg4# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgAbu4zOxg4#)
Here is the actual video of the game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKHvvPClH-8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKHvvPClH-8#)
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Adi- You just justified British papers. WTF!?!? There are tons of players just as bad and some worse than him. It's British xenophobia. People that are still pissed at the incident in the World Cup are dumb. The hand ball got called, and he got red carded. He was rightfully punished. Only Gyan is to blame for missing the penalty. Gyan even made a statement that he forgived Suarez for doing it, and he would have done the same in that situation.
RVP does have 3 more assists, but Suarez creates more chances. Suarez just doesn't have near the finishers along side him. I agree that RVP is a better finisher. Suarez is a better dribbler, and he maybe better technically overall. Saying RVP is clearly ahead of Suarez makes me think your are showing a bias. You obviously don't like him, so you want RVP to be better. The fact is they have been very close this season. Suarez easily wins for me if we include their national team performances. What Suarez does for Uruguay, I've never seen RVP do for the Netherlands. Both have been very good this year, and should be the top 2 choices.
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OK, RVP is not ahead by far, but he is ahead. The fact that Livepool is struggling so bad doesn't sit so well with me when it comes to claims that Suarez is the best player in the league this year. He should impact his team's performances more. I know it's about the team, but it's just the way it goes with perception.
Who are bigger divers than Suarez? I can't think of anyone.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNx5ok60U6A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNx5ok60U6A#)
I don't like the entire message of this video, but I do like that he proved that many players in the league do it. Many of the players he uses as an example are just as bad. It's a shit part of the game, but it's there. Suarez is also one of the most legitimately fouled players in the league. He's been booked for diving this season on complete hack jobs. If anything, Liverpool's league performance shouldn't go against Suarez on whether he's the best player in the league. It's very possible if he was on City or United, he'd be the clear cut leading scorer. We don't know. RVP could also have scored far less if he was at Liverpool. We don't know. For me, they are very close, but I'd actually rather have Suarez.
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You'd rather have Suarez that RVP? I wouldn't. RVP was stellar last season for Arsenal as well. I know they have a better system than Liverpool, but RVP is no joke.
As far as the video goes, those are all dives but most of those guys are not serial divers. Suarez is.
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You'd rather have Suarez that RVP? I wouldn't. RVP was stellar last season for Arsenal as well. I know they have a better system than Liverpool, but RVP is no joke.
As far as the video goes, those are all dives but most of those guys are not serial divers. Suarez is.
I never said RVP was a joke. They are the 2 best strikers in the league.
Certain players were in that video multiple times for a reason. It's because they dive very often. Players known for diving off the top of my head: Ashley Young, Nani, Gareth Bale, Diouf, Berbatov, etc. There are many more, but I cannot be bothered to prove it. The fact is no one can watch every game. You are letting the biased media influence you.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlSA0Xmh174 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlSA0Xmh174#)
Suarez has never done anything as disgraceful as this.
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Still can't believe they counted that goal. Ugh. :rolleyes:
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Manchester City moved their advertising boards to counteract Stoke’s long throw-ins
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Still can't believe they counted that goal. Ugh. :rolleyes:
Yet, the media never hounded Nani in the same way for that ridiculous unsporting behavior. The referee should have been fired, because he got everything wrong. We are all clueless how he missed the hand ball, but he also acknowledged Nani dived. He failed to card Nani for the dive after the goal. He pretty much just gave him a pat on the back for it.
The British media has never been fair. They don't want to be. They want to sell papers. The only reasons Suarez gets it as much as he does is the WC incident(shouldn't even matter) and the Evra incident(Evra admitted to calling him a dirty South American, Idk why that's ok, but negrito isn't.) The diving is just something they can pick on at the moment. It's never been any worse than many other players. If we look outside the Prem, it's probably even worse in general. That's the one thing I like about the Prem is the allow more physicality in general.
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I think they were fair with one of their own, Ashley Young. He dove in two straight games and got two penalties out of it for United. The media really hammered him for it and rightfully so.
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I think they were fair with one of their own, Ashley Young. He dove in two straight games and got two penalties out of it for United. The media really hammered him for it and rightfully so.
There's still a difference. Young gets the two penalties. Suarez gets booked for diving often when he isn't diving. The referees pre judge Suarez. The media is definitely not fair. We wouldn't be discussing this otherwise. Young is easily just as bad of a diver, but is definitely not mentioned like Suarez.
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Fun fact. United has the worst defense in the top 10 of the Premier League. In fact, you have to go to 12 place Norwich to find a team that has conceded more goals. :undecided:
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There's still a difference. Young gets the two penalties. Suarez gets booked for diving often when he isn't diving. The referees pre judge Suarez. The media is definitely not fair. We wouldn't be discussing this otherwise. Young is easily just as bad of a diver, but is definitely not mentioned like Suarez.
Don't agree with that. Suarez didn't get judged when he came into the league. He didn't get judged until the last couple of seasons when he started diving more and more, and people finally caught on to it.
Most others, including Young, don't dive to the point where they are noticed by everything and isolated by the media. Young and others occasionally dive, but not to the point where they try to pull a dive every game. I know Suarez makes a living inside the penalty box so there is a lot more potential for higher sensitivity calls. A dive in the middle of the park isn't a big deal often and players simply don't see a need to dive that much around that part of the field. On the other hand, getting a penalty for a dive/foul in the box often results in a goal and strikers try to pull it off more than anyone else. Most strikers don't abuse it, but Suarez gets caught in important spots and he continually does it.
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Fun fact. United has the worst defense in the top 10 of the Premier League. In fact, you have to go to 12 place Norwich to find a team that has conceded more goals. :undecided:
Just look at their defense and goalie... nothing spectacular there, but Fergie still works his magic. Mancini would finish 5th with this team and so would most other managers.
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Just look at their defense and goalie... nothing spectacular there, but Fergie still works his magic. Mancini would finish 5th with this team and so would most other managers.
You are giving him far too much credit when managers like Woy Hodgeson have managed to make teams with far less talented defenders defend much better. If anything, it shows a lack of tactical knowledge by SAF. He has a surplus of attacking talent that has bailed him out, and the Prem in general is weak right now. They wouldn't be in this position if Chesea and City weren't struggling.
Quit lying to yourself. Players like Young, Nani, Berbatov, and Bale dive almost every game. They are no different than Suarez. The Evra incident, which actually has nothing to do with diving, is what put Suarez under the microscope. The media painted him as enemy number one, and they just took diving as the next fault to him.
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Because they are the worst European Champions of all time. Pathetic display of football to win that trophy. Glad they are suffering...
Tell me what you would have done to beat Barcalona?
Go on, I'm listening.
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Tell me what you would have done to beat Barcalona?
Go on, I'm listening.
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/images/300x/68999.jpg)
To be fair to both sides, Chelsea played probably the most barbaric style I've ever seen at that stage in the Champions League. They were also struggling in the league. They really are probably the weakest team to ever win the Champions League. Now, they found a strategy that managed to beat both Barca and Bayern. They did ride their luck quite a bit, but it worked. The game isn't technically about looking good, only winning matters.
Now, many teams could have played more positive football than what Chelsea did and still had a chance to win. It was extremely rough to watch, and I think most neutrals weren't exactly happy with how they won.
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You are giving him far too much credit when managers like Woy Hodgeson have managed to make teams with far less talented defenders defend much better. If anything, it shows a lack of tactical knowledge by SAF. He has a surplus of attacking talent that has bailed him out, and the Prem in general is weak right now. They wouldn't be in this position if Chesea and City weren't struggling.
Quit lying to yourself. Players like Young, Nani, Berbatov, and Bale dive almost every game. They are no different than Suarez. The Evra incident, which actually has nothing to do with diving, is what put Suarez under the microscope. The media painted him as enemy number one, and they just took diving as the next fault to him.
Man U is first. I think they are maybe choosing to play creative and attack oriented football unlike City and other defense oriented teams.
Speaking of Bale, he's the second best player this year.
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United are playing the exact same style they play every year. The only difference is their defense sucks this year. The addition of RVP was extremely important. Without him, they would be where Chelsea is right now in my opinion.
Bale's ok...
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united's goal keeper problem is still not solved... de gea is still not upto the mark :rolleyes:
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no, and that problem could maybe even cost them the PL title eventually. They should try to fix it right away
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dat face :043:
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haha seriously that face lol :lol_hitting: :lol_hitting:
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On Sunday will be a great classic Premier League. A duel between two rivals - Manchester United vs Liverpool FC.
You will watch this match? I can't hardly wait.
I believe in the team of Rodgers and I hope to win the team from Merseyside.
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I put $10 on Liverpool to win!
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I bet with my brother that Liverpool will win about 10 PLN. :grin:
Don't forget, however, who will judge this match - Howard Webb. :embarrassed:
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I bet with my brother that Liverpool will win about 10 PLN. :grin:
Don't forget, however, who will judge this match - Howard Webb. :embarrassed:
lol searching for excuses already. I don't know about Liverpools recent form, are they really up to this task?
I'm looking more forward to Arsenal vs City, still i don't have too much hope for Arsenal, maybe if they start well they can get a point.
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lol searching for excuses already. I don't know about Liverpools recent form, are they really up to this task?
I'm looking more forward to Arsenal vs City, still i don't have too much hope for Arsenal, maybe if they start well they can get a point.
Liverpool outplayed Man Utd. for the majority of the game at Anfield this season. They also played the majority of the game with 10men, and they still had more possession. Without the Jonjo sending off and the questionable penalty kick, Liverpool would have most likely drawn or even won that game. The Jonjo Shelvey red card was blatantly wrong. Shelvey came in 1 footed, and he took the ball. Evans came in both feet studs up. He did kind of get the ball, but the FA's stance is two footed tackles are straight red cards. It should have been the opposite call. The penalty kicks was questionable. Valencia felt slight contact and went down. Something very similar happened to Suarez, and the referees didn't give it. These aren't excuses. This is just how the game went.
Howard Webb has his reputation for a reason. I personally still find it hard to believe he's still considered England's best official. Almost every big game he referees there is controversy, because he made the wrong call.
In the end, Liverpool definitely have the quality to beat this United team. Suarez will give them hell all game. If some of the other players step up, the United defense and GK could be in for a long day. Liverpool really just need to do these things to have a chance to win:
1. Control the game by keeping possession. I expect them to have more possession than United.
2. Don't make stupid mistakes on defense.
3. No stupid red cards.
4. Finish opportunities when you have them.
What United needs to do:
1. Don't make mistakes on defense.
2. Counter quickly to try to catch Liverpool players up the field.
3. Finish opportunities.
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lol searching for excuses already. I don't know about Liverpools recent form, are they really up to this task?
I'm looking more forward to Arsenal vs City, still i don't have too much hope for Arsenal, maybe if they start well they can get a point.
Finding excuses? Look at the last match between the two teams, the judged by Webb.
Not looking for any excuses infinitely adjustable match. I note the fact that it will be even harder to win this game by a team from Liverpool.
LFC is not playing badly, especially with challenging rivals. I know what they can and I believe that they deport some points from Manchester.
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I agree, in many matches judges don't favored players. Most important, however, that a well-played, then nothing can stand in their way, to gain valuable points.
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I wonder where Liverpool would be if they hadn't wasted their Torres money on Carroll...
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I wonder where Liverpool would be if they hadn't wasted their Torres money on Carroll...
They might have been worse off last season if they didn't. The Carroll transfer wasn't near as bad business as everyone makes it out to be. Liverpool sold their main striker in the last hours of the transfer window, and they needed someone. They ended up buying the in form striker in Andy Carroll. He couldn't stop scoring for Newcastle at the moment.
Also, some of his lack of success was bad luck and bad support from other players. He was injured at Liverpool quite a bit, and Liverpool lacked competent wingers to swing crosses into him. Downing is the player I am disappointed in. He was supposed to be the guy supplying the crosses to Carroll, but he didn't do this. Suarez actually provided the best service for Carroll. A striker is only as good as his service. Carroll did start to show signs of good form in the end of last season with the goal and the disallowed goal in the FA Cup Final. I'm still not sure whether or not his header crossed the line. The actual problem was that Rodgers just didn't want to use him in his system. It didn't have to do with him being a failure. I had to do with Rodgers wanting to go in a different direction from Dalglish. It's possible he could have been useful.
The Torres money completely financed the move and than some. I don't see it as that bad of a move. Henderson, Adam, and Downing were bad signings. Henderson may still prove himself, but the other two should probably be cut loose.
Liverpool have made great signings in recent times with Joe Allen, Luis Suarez, and Jonjo Shelvey. Daniel Sturridge could still prove worthwhile as either a striker off the bench, duo with Suarez, or on the flanks. His pace definitely makes him useful.
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Game basically went exactly as I explained. The difference was in the 1st half Liverpool didn't establish possession, and they made defensive errors.
2nd half Liverpool played much better, and they ended the game with more possession than United. United defended overall better than Liverpool throughout the match, and Liverpool made a mistake letting Evra get free on the set-piece.
I'm just happy this game we can actually talk about the football. The previous game this season still stands as a robbery.
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Yes, finally, the match between the teams took place without any aggression or big referee mistakes.
It's a pity that LFC players couldn't even get the 1 point, but in the game you'll see a big progress. There were also fighting and great fans doping.
You have to agree that in this match Manchester was better, but I hope and I think that soon this will change. :)
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Yes, finally, the match between the teams took place without any aggression or big referee mistakes.
It's a pity that LFC players couldn't even get the 1 point, but in the game you'll see a big progress. There were also fighting and great fans doping.
You have to agree that in this match Manchester was better, but I hope and I think that soon this will change. :)
The 2nd half proved we are already closer than many people believe. I mean, we had more possession than United clearly. The difference was really just capitalizing on opportunities and defending. Liverpool do need a bit more playmaking to create opportunities as well.
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i got the impression that Liverpool is lacking of players wanting the ball and take responsibility. Suarez seemed a bit lost, Gerrard tried hard but he can't decide a match on his own anymore. Also had quite a few miserably played passes.
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http://rutube.ru/video/fb647bf64a80a87eaa26f0dcf6adf3a4/ (http://rutube.ru/video/fb647bf64a80a87eaa26f0dcf6adf3a4/)
Vincent Kompany's red card against Arsenal has been rescinded. He will not have to serve the 3match ban.
I think this is bullshit, and it shows how inconsistent the FA is with it's rulings. For me, this is a definite red card tackle. He jumps into the tackle with a straight leg studs up towards the ball and the player. This is a potential leg breaker if the Arsenal player's leg gets on the end of this.
I just don't get how the FA rescinds this tackle, but they refuse to rescind far less red card worthy tackles like Jonjo Shelvey vs Man Utd. earlier this year. If they were consistent, it would be one thing, but they tend to be extremely inconsistent.
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http://rutube.ru/video/fb647bf64a80a87eaa26f0dcf6adf3a4/ (http://rutube.ru/video/fb647bf64a80a87eaa26f0dcf6adf3a4/)
Vincent Kompany's red card against Arsenal has been rescinded. He will not have to serve the 3match ban.
I think this is bullshit, and it shows how inconsistent the FA is with it's rulings. For me, this is a definite red card tackle. He jumps into the tackle with a straight leg studs up towards the ball and the player. This is a potential leg breaker if the Arsenal player's leg gets on the end of this.
I just don't get how the FA rescinds this tackle, but they refuse to rescind far less red card worthy tackles like Jonjo Shelvey vs Man Utd. earlier this year. If they were consistent, it would be one thing, but they tend to be extremely inconsistent.
I agree that it's not very consistent to change referees decisions.
I do not agree however on how you judge those tacklings. Wilshere put the ball too far ahead, Kompany reacted very quickly. It is not like Kompany came flying in like crazy, he basically stood there and then sat down on the grass. It is not true that he went in both legged as the commentator said, his other knee was angled and he didn't try to hit Wilshere. I even doubt that the 2 players clashed if Wilshere hadn't slipped, as he clearly did.
Unlike Shelvey (how am I supposed to remember all those Liverpool-no-names anyway), who came flying in onto Evans' leg. Please explain me how this is not a red card!
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I agree that it's not very consistent to change referees decisions.
I do not agree however on how you judge those tacklings. Wilshere put the ball too far ahead, Kompany reacted very quickly. It is not like Kompany came flying in like crazy, he basically stood there and then sat down on the grass. It is not true that he went in both legged as the commentator said, his other knee was angled and he didn't try to hit Wilshere. I even doubt that the 2 players clashed if Wilshere hadn't slipped, as he clearly did.
Unlike Shelvey (how am I supposed to remember all those Liverpool-no-names anyway), who came flying in onto Evans' leg. Please explain me how this is not a red card!
You obviously don't remember the Shelvey challenge very well.
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As you can see in the gif, Jonjo Shelvey clearly wins the ball with the inside of his right foot. His left foot is on the ground when contact with the ball is made. This shouldn't even have been a foul. Now, watch Evans. Evans leaves both feet and he goes in studs up two footed. In reality, Evans should have been sent off, not Jonjo. The referee sent Jonjo off for what he thought he saw, not what happened. On first look it did look bad, because both players went in hard. The fact is that Jonjo Shelvey made a clean challenge. Evans came in two footed. Also, before anyone says Jonjo scissored him, watch it closely. The force from Evans's challenge actually forces Jonjo's leg to carry around. Jonjo was going straight.
Now, for the Kompany challenge. For me, definite red card, and it was far more dangerous than what Jonjo did. Evans tackle was probably worse. Yes, Kompany didn't run into the ball or go in two footed. That's beyond the point. Kompany did leave both feet and go in straight legged and studs up. Wilshere was more or less lucky his leg wasn't behind the challenge, because this is the exact type of tackle that can break someone's leg. Wilshere did make a bad touch, but that makes it just a worse decision by Kompany. He didn't need to jump in like that. Studs up and straight legged is a definite red card in my book.
Now, in the end it really comes down to consistency. If the FA would show some, I wouldn't care at all if they were strict or lenient on what a red card is. The problem is, there is no consistency whatsoever.
Edit: Also, Jonjo Shelvey isn't a no name. He's a very promising English youngster. You aren't born a big name footballer. You must grow into that role.
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Fact is Kompany won the ball without touching Wishere with his feet. As a defender, you have to win challenges while avoiding cards. Wilshere had a bad touch and Kompany used it to get the ball. Kompany is a world class defender because of exactly that: He can win a lot of close challenges at the limit of the rules. The last time i saw him sent off was against Manchester against Nani, which wasn't even a foul.
You claim Shelvey had contact to the ground with his left foot, so I assume you mean that he was not flying uncontrolled? For me his left foot doesn't excert any forces onto the ground, it basically just slippes through. Fact is that Shelvey won the ball but got it too far ahead, wanted to keep the ball. But there's absolutely no reason to jump into a challenge like that in the opposing teams half. Fact also is that Shelvey did hit Evans, and Evans was lucky that his studs were not on the ground at that time, because then a serious ankle injury would have resulted.
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Wow, you are clueless, and you obviously just listened to some biased report.
The fact that Jonjo connects inside the right foot cleanly means he had some control. I can understand the argument of being slightly out of control, but that's at most a yellow card. His left foot is clearly on the ground. Far more on the ground than the Kompany challenge. Also, you completely ignored the fact that Evans made a worse challenge. He clearly jumped in two footed studs up. If you watch closely, his grimace actually comes from the force of his fall when his arse hits the ground. He's perfectly fine before that. By law, a two footed tackle must be a straight red card. I'm not really seeing where Jonjo's tackle was so dangerous other than the force he came in with. He actually did the necessary thing to make it less dangerous by coming in with the inside of his right foot. Evans came in straight with both feet studs up. In my opinion, Jonjo was the one in danger, but he came in hard enough that it didn't effect him. If I was the official, I personally would have allowed play to continue, because I feel Jonjo made a clean challenge. It actually took me a second look to realize that Evans committed a two footed challenge.
Kompnay winning the ball was never what I claimed against. He obviously wins the ball. He does make contact with Wishere, and his straight leg barely misses Wilshere. If Wilshere's leg would have been directly behind the ball, that's the exact type of challenge that can break someone's leg. That's why it should be a red card. It's afar more dangerous challenge than what Jonjo did. By the way, the commentators said at first it was a two footed, but they corrected it to what happened. They said both feet were off the ground which they clearly were. He made the tackle with his bottom leg, so the upper leg was clearly off the ground. Wilshere was just lucky he slipped, because that took his leg out of the way of the tackle. If it hadn't, I doubt we'd have been arguing, because Wilshere would have been crushed.
Kompany's quality as a defender was never questioned by me. I actually really like them, but this is a definite red card for me. Being as good as he is, he should have been able to make a better decision than to go into a challenge like that. Really, he probably didn't need to leave his feet. He could have just made a standing tackle.
Another example of a tackle that I find not quite as bad as Kompany's against Arsenal. This one is a bit two footed, but he clearly wins the ball without contact. He is also under control in my opinion, because the tackle is by designed to take the ball with the right, and the left foot is supposed to miss. Now, he does come in with excessive force in my opinion, and he does leave both feet. This should have been a yellow for me, because of excessive force.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xniymo_manchester-city-vs-manchester-united-kompany-red-card_sport#.UPbi9GfoDDs (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xniymo_manchester-city-vs-manchester-united-kompany-red-card_sport#.UPbi9GfoDDs)
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RVP decides things once again. Baller.
I watches bits and pieces of both games this Sunday but neither really lived up to the billing.
Prem is getting weaker by the year.
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RVP decides things once again. Baller.
I watches bits and pieces of both games this Sunday but neither really lived up to the billing.
Prem is getting weaker by the year.
And the fans are getting more delusional every year. :cheesy:
I mentioned on Sherdog earlier in the season that La Liga was clearly superior at the moment. I got hounded by the delusional idiots. I showed how both head to head and UEFA Coefficients had La Liga ahead, but they just kept making excuses like English teams don't care about Europa League or they didn't play a full strengths squad.
I mean, your team nor league have to be the best for you to like it the most. Just realize this. I know Liverpool aren't the best team in the world, but if there is one team I will watch on the weekend, it will be Liverpool.
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Wow, you are clueless, and you obviously just listened to some biased report.
The fact that Jonjo connects inside the right foot cleanly means he had some control. I can understand the argument of being slightly out of control, but that's at most a yellow card. His left foot is clearly on the ground. Far more on the ground than the Kompany challenge. Also, you completely ignored the fact that Evans made a worse challenge. He clearly jumped in two footed studs up. If you watch closely, his grimace actually comes from the force of his fall when his arse hits the ground. He's perfectly fine before that. By law, a two footed tackle must be a straight red card. I'm not really seeing where Jonjo's tackle was so dangerous other than the force he came in with. He actually did the necessary thing to make it less dangerous by coming in with the inside of his right foot. Evans came in straight with both feet studs up. In my opinion, Jonjo was the one in danger, but he came in hard enough that it didn't effect him. If I was the official, I personally would have allowed play to continue, because I feel Jonjo made a clean challenge. It actually took me a second look to realize that Evans committed a two footed challenge.
Kompnay winning the ball was never what I claimed against. He obviously wins the ball. He does make contact with Wishere, and his straight leg barely misses Wilshere. If Wilshere's leg would have been directly behind the ball, that's the exact type of challenge that can break someone's leg. That's why it should be a red card. It's afar more dangerous challenge than what Jonjo did. By the way, the commentators said at first it was a two footed, but they corrected it to what happened. They said both feet were off the ground which they clearly were. He made the tackle with his bottom leg, so the upper leg was clearly off the ground. Wilshere was just lucky he slipped, because that took his leg out of the way of the tackle. If it hadn't, I doubt we'd have been arguing, because Wilshere would have been crushed.
Kompany's quality as a defender was never questioned by me. I actually really like them, but this is a definite red card for me. Being as good as he is, he should have been able to make a better decision than to go into a challenge like that. Really, he probably didn't need to leave his feet. He could have just made a standing tackle.
Another example of a tackle that I find not quite as bad as Kompany's against Arsenal. This one is a bit two footed, but he clearly wins the ball without contact. He is also under control in my opinion, because the tackle is by designed to take the ball with the right, and the left foot is supposed to miss. Now, he does come in with excessive force in my opinion, and he does leave both feet. This should have been a yellow for me, because of excessive force.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xniymo_manchester-city-vs-manchester-united-kompany-red-card_sport#.UPbi9GfoDDs (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xniymo_manchester-city-vs-manchester-united-kompany-red-card_sport#.UPbi9GfoDDs)
you know why argueing with you is tiring?
I always has to read counterarguments of at least double size.
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you know why argueing with you is tiring?
I always has to read counterarguments of at least double size.
Then don't argue. It's as simple as that. I made legitimate points. You ignored a few legitimate points as well. The fact is my true stance is the FA is extremely inconsistent. All 3 of these challenges were ruled straight red cards originally. The one that gets rescinded in my opinion is the worst challenge. For me, Jonjo's was the least bad as it was clearly one footed, inside the foot, and his left foot was grounded. Kompany vs United was definitely a foul, because the force and leaving his feet. He was under control, because he intentionally missed Nani completely. Kompany vs Arsenal, dirty challenge with a straight leg and studs going straight into the challenge. Wilshere was lucky not to get hurt.
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England thinks it's be best and isn't transitioning it's game fast enough. Northern Spain is where the best football is played right now and German teams are adopting it quickly, especially Bayern and Dortmund. Germans are smart and they pick up on what works and incorporate it into their culture and sports. England is too naive and will not make sufficient changes until they under-perform for another 2-3 years in Europe. They'll figure it after Barca, Madrid, Bayern, Dortmund, and PSG are the best teams in Europe.
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England thinks it's be best and isn't transitioning it's game fast enough. Northern Spain is where the best football is played right now and German teams are adopting it quickly, especially Bayern and Dortmund. Germans are smart and they pick up on what works and incorporate it into their culture and sports. England is too naive and will not make sufficient changes until they under-perform for another 2-3 years in Europe. They'll figure it after Barca, Madrid, Bayern, Dortmund, and PSG are the best teams in Europe.
England will never change in my opinion. There solution will always be to spend more money on bringing in foreign talent. Eventually, the sponsors may realize the Premier League isn't the best league, and they will sponsor another league. When the money dries up, it will be too late, but England will have to realize they must start producing their own talent. England's problems begin with the grass roots approach they have. Spain, Germany, France, Italy, Brazil, Argentina, etc. all produce better talent, because their youth systems are far superior. Now, with the exception of maybe Germany, all of these countries started out with far more technical approaches than England, so they had an advantage. They needed to do far less to start producing big talent. Germany has evolved from just being an efficient hardworking team into one of football's best talent producing nations. Now, they play a great technical style of football. This is why they are doing so well in club and international football.
England keeps doing the same thing and expecting different results. The definition of insanity.
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England thinks it's be best and isn't transitioning it's game fast enough. Northern Spain is where the best football is played right now and German teams are adopting it quickly, especially Bayern and Dortmund. Germans are smart and they pick up on what works and incorporate it into their culture and sports. England is too naive and will not make sufficient changes until they under-perform for another 2-3 years in Europe. They'll figure it after Barca, Madrid, Bayern, Dortmund, and PSG are the best teams in Europe.
I have a similar opinion. In England, don't change the style of play and it just doesn't change. In a sense, this is an advantage because you can watch a lot of teams that play completely different. This doesn't change the fact that the English are at this point very far behind the best teams. Even with such an average playing Polish have big problems.
However, a club team that is able to fight at this moment in European competition is the only Manchester United. It's a shame that the league has fewer representatives in the 1/8 finals of Spain and Germany.
I hope that soon to do battle in the Champions League turns though Liverpool FC. :)
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The big thing that England has going for them is their use of the English language. They will always be huge in the US and many other English speaking markets. It's easy to follow teams in countries which language you can understand. That's always going to be on their site, but you're both right. It will continue to carry them as the top league I think, but their performances against other top clubs won't be as good as it has been.
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The big thing that England has going for them is their use of the English language. They will always be huge in the US and many other English speaking markets. It's easy to follow teams in countries which language you can understand. That's always going to be on their site, but you're both right. It will continue to carry them as the top league I think, but their performances against other top clubs won't be as good as it has been.
I just think it's pathetic how Prem fanboys get upset when I tell them La Liga is better. They have 1 reply. La Liga is a two team league. Only Barca and Real are any good. Well, Barca and Real are better than any English team. Also, Athletic Bilbao beat Manchester United home and away last season, and they only finished 10th in La Liga. Valencia also beat Stoke City home and away. Seems that these supposedly far weaker teams after Barca and Real are stronger than what the Premier League has to offer as well. That doesn't even go into how the UEFA Coefficients show La Liga as being better. It's based on performances in European competition, so it's the most accurate way to determine. Right now, it's 1. La Liga 2. Premier League 3. Bundesliga 4. Serie A. I personally think the Bundesliga is already better than the Premier Leauge, but the Bundesliga could prove it by the end of the season. Premier League needs some CL success to keep from being overtaken.
I hate Americans' obsession with the English. I really really hate it. Even in youth soccer, there is no better qualification than a British accent. You could be a cricket player, but if you have that accent, parents will think you are a soccer god.
It isn't the same for other accents. I have a friend from Serbia that used to play if FK Raad in the old Yugoslavia first division. He just gets complaints that they can't understand his accent. This guy knows more about football than probably anyone I've ever met. He's legit. He's 50yrs old, and he still trains with the pro indoor team in Detroit. He scores everyday in training.
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Somebody please explain to me how this wasn't a red card.
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Then don't argue. It's as simple as that. I made legitimate points. You ignored a few legitimate points as well. The fact is my true stance is the FA is extremely inconsistent. All 3 of these challenges were ruled straight red cards originally. The one that gets rescinded in my opinion is the worst challenge. For me, Jonjo's was the least bad as it was clearly one footed, inside the foot, and his left foot was grounded. Kompany vs United was definitely a foul, because the force and leaving his feet. He was under control, because he intentionally missed Nani completely. Kompany vs Arsenal, dirty challenge with a straight leg and studs going straight into the challenge. Wilshere was lucky not to get hurt.
But then, you shouldn't complain when nobody is argueing with you.
Like here:
I'm getting bored talking to myself.
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And Kompanys challenge is not the sort of tackles which break legs, for that to happen one player needs to slide in, the other player has to stand with his full weight on the leg, so that the studs avoid the leg to move, and all of the impulse of the sliding player has to be stopped by that leg.
But that's not the case, because Kompanys foot did barely move forward, also his center of gravity. It may look from the side view as if he was sliding in, because the camera is moving along Wishere.
And yes, Scholes should have gotten a red card there
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Eh, it's OK about the arguments guys. Sometimes it's nice to argue in long posts but every now end then we get tired of typing so much. It's OK to stop at some point if you're tired. :grin:
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But then, you shouldn't complain when nobody is argueing with you.
Like here:
It's a talking point. Would you prefer there just be not talking points?
And Kompanys challenge is not the sort of tackles which break legs, for that to happen one player needs to slide in, the other player has to stand with his full weight on the leg, so that the studs avoid the leg to move, and all of the impulse of the sliding player has to be stopped by that leg.
But that's not the case, because Kompanys foot did barely move forward, also his center of gravity. It may look from the side view as if he was sliding in, because the camera is moving along Wishere.
And yes, Scholes should have gotten a red card there
Yes, it is a leg breaker. What Wilshere did that caused him to avoid getting crunched doesn't take away from what Kompany did wrong. Straight leg, full body weight behind the leg, and studs up = Red Card. There isn't much else to it. Kompany didn't run into it, but he did jump. It's very clear he jumped into the challenge.
I don't get you. At least we agreed about the Scholes challenge, but that is just ridiculous the referee only gave him a yellow card.
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Liverpool 5-0! Now that their team are playing well together, how far do you think they can go? Finishing 4-5th is a possibility.
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chelsea vs arsenel this is gonna be huge !!!! arsenel gonna win CFC1- ARS2 that's ma predictions
then Tottenhem vs Man U ... it's gonna be entertaining too !! 1-3 is gonna be the final scoreline for me... :098:
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Liverpool 5-0! Now that their team are playing well together, how far do you think they can go? Finishing 4-5th is a possibility.
Since Brendan Rodgers took over the club, you can see a big progress in the game players. Liverpool FC finally won with average teams, even shoves them a few goals. In recent years, this was missing. Also the previous match against Manchester United showed that LFC is able to fight with the best.
I believe in TOP4 the end of the season. :)
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Liverpool have looked much better than some of their results all season. We dropped points early in the season in a somewhat harsh manner. The biggest difference is Liverpool have tightened up their defense a bit. We've played with great passing and off ball movement all season. Liverpool really are only a few players off being sure bets for top4 finishes every season. They are looking fairly good to possibly finish 4th now.
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Hmm VRK, not really right about the predictions today huh? :grin: :grin:
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haha... not this time :grin:
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Finally MU didn't get 3 points, hopefully this is the begging of the gap close, it's way too boring to watch when the gap is 10+ points.
Last I checked, Chelsea are paying $30 to win the cup, I like those odds. Place a bet?
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Finally MU didn't get 3 points, hopefully this is the begging of the gap close, it's way too boring to watch when the gap is 10+ points.
Last I checked, Chelsea are paying $30 to win the cup, I like those odds. Place a bet?
I personally haven't been impressed with MU all season. I think it's more that the rest of the league is worse than them being great. Another unconvincing performance by them today, and this time they got burnt. Poor defending on the Dempsey goal. Not the best punch by De Gea, but that's no excuse for the lack of marking on two Spurs players.
I'd love City to win the league again. I wouldn't hate Chelsea winning, but I would prefer City. I also think they are more likely.
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I personally haven't been impressed with MU all season. I think it's more that the rest of the league is worse than them being great. Another unconvincing performance by them today, and this time they got burnt. Poor defending on the Dempsey goal. Not the best punch by De Gea, but that's no excuse for the lack of marking on two Spurs players.
I'd love City to win the league again. I wouldn't hate Chelsea winning, but I would prefer City. I also think they are more likely.
It was a weird line up and poor conditions though. Most people were expecting lots of goals like last time. I agree with MU not playing well but the other teams failing at something, which occurs with most teams.
I don't really mind which team wins, obviously I prefer my own but when it comes to MU winning, the fans annoy the hell out of everyone else. They're the biggest glory hunters that only supported their team in the first place because they saw them win the first time they played and nothing else. They're easily the shittest fans, contest me, I'll show you some comments from the average MU supporter.
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It was a weird line up and poor conditions though. Most people were expecting lots of goals like last time. I agree with MU not playing well but the other teams failing at something, which occurs with most teams.
I don't really mind which team wins, obviously I prefer my own but when it comes to MU winning, the fans annoy the hell out of everyone else. They're the biggest glory hunters that only supported their team in the first place because they saw them win the first time they played and nothing else. They're easily the shittest fans, contest me, I'll show you some comments from the average MU supporter.
It's obvious that the average casual fan from a country outside of the UK is a MU fan. Yes, they can be annoying, but it's impossible to avoid them. I have learned to just accept the majority of "football fans" in the US are going to be United fans. They probably cannot name more than a few players off other teams. They definitely can only name a few teams outside the Prem. They'll think Wigan is a bigger team than Ajax.
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I don't mind the ref pulling out the red there... rather have him play it safe to be honest. We don't need players taking those chances with lunges like that. However, he does get the ball and does pull his legs in a bit to avoid injuring the opponent.
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Hands down red card. Kompany did nothing to miss him. He would have went straight through him Wilshere hadn't slipped. He did get the ball, but that's not the rule anymore. He jumped in with studs up and a straight leg. Very dangerous, and it definitely could have broken someone's leg.
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Have ya'll seen Hazard kicking the ball boy? :embarrassed:
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/video/espnfc/video/_/id/1310799?cc=5901 (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/video/espnfc/video/_/id/1310799?cc=5901)
Wow... pretty stupid.
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I don't think the video from ESPNSoccernet is available worldwide, so I posted this.
Inexcusable. I find it sad people are blaming the ball boy. Yes, the ball boy was wasting time. Dick move from him, but it's completely inexcusable to kick him. Yes, he got the ball, but he also got alot of rib.
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He kicked the ball, maybe his shin made a small collision but no way enough to cause the amount of distress that he displayed, extreme exaggeration to further waste time. It was a kick with a pull back straight away to avoid hurting the kid, if he followed through I don't think there would be a discussion.
The ball boy was a dickhead, it's not his job to change the game in any way and he was gloating on his twitter. I hope he gets kicked in the head next time he pulls a stunt like that.
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I don't think you can say for sure if he got all ball. He used a lot of force there. If he missed at all, then it could be a serious bruising to the ribs especially for a young kid who's still not fully developed.
Either way, that kid is a legend for any Swansea fan. :PDT_Armataz_01_37:
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The kid is a prick either way. Hazard didn't crush his ribs, but he definitely kicked them to get to the ball. It would have been a red card whether the kid rolled around in pain or not. He was most likely faking, but he probably felt some pain. Both should be punished. Hazard should be punished far worse. I hate the English logic for bans. Violent conduct gets a small ban, and insulting someone gets a huge ban. It should be the opposite. Violence is the worst you can do.
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Shocking stuff going on in the FA Cup:
Brentford 2:2 Chelsea
Leeds 2:1 Tottenham
Oldham 3:2 Liverpool
Wow... those were all the games today and all were shockers.
I mean look at this lad against Liverpool... not often you see overweight players beating up on Liverpool.
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/0127/soc_a_oldham_celebrate_576.jpg)
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I'm very surprised at the results of today's games. In particular, the attitude of Liverpool FC disappointed me. We all hoped for an easy win without much effort. Unfortunately, reserve players and youth teams played very poorly. This game ism't fitting for a team fighting for TOP4 one of the strongest leagues in the world.
It remains to forget about the depressing defeat and focus on very important games against Arsenal and Man City.
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Shit performance by Liverpool, nothing else to it. :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
I wouldn't say he's overweight. My guess he is still around that recommended 8-12% body fat region for a footballer. Also, in England lower league football is 90% fitness. There isn't much technique, so if he wasn't fit, he wouldn't play.
The fact is anything can happen in football. When a team like Liverpool plays inferior opposition, they must play full strength. They can never take a game as a given. That's partially what happened today, and Oldham punished them. No one else is to blame other than Liverpool.
Ok, here's the humorous side of this. With these 3 somewhat shocking results, some English football pundits have come up with the idea that Premier League teams have become to "continental" or "technical" to keep up with the rumble tumble style of lower league football. :043: :043: :043: :043:
I even heard some of them saying that they appreciate how English teams are adapting technical styles of play, but they wish that sometimes they'd just play more direct and grind it out. No wonder the English National Team is shit right now. They can't even see the problem with their players is lack of technical skills all around. They used to have that bullshit theory that Barca would struggle against teams like this. Barca would have won 10-0 today most likely. Liverpool just weren't good enough, and they were too complacent. Also, Jones and Coates had shockingly poor performances. This happens sometimes, but it was probably from being complacent on the whole. That's why they lost, not being too "continental" or "technical."
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Wow, silly and typical arguments by the English media. :embarrassed:
I wonder what kind of odds you could've gotten if you predicted these upsets.
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Outcome Odds Total Bets Total Staked
Oldham 27/2 (13.50) 3 155 WIN!
Draw 11/2 (5.50) 1 7
Liverpool 2/7 F (0.29) 8 3357
These are from the virtual betting on Sherdog. They use real betting sites for odds. I lost 100vcash :(
The English media is infuriating. They think the FA Cup is the only cup competition where lower league teams have a chance. Hell, in the past 2 decades I can name to Brazilian 2nd division teams that have won Copa do Brasil, and they didn't win by being less technical and playing rumble tumble style as the Brit described it.
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Those would be the odds for one match. I was thinking if you got all three right and stacked them into one bet. MONEY, MONEY, MONEY!!!! :celebrate:
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I have some good excuses for those poor results. I'll type them when I wake up.
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Those would be the odds for one match. I was thinking if you got all three right and stacked them into one bet. MONEY, MONEY, MONEY!!!! :celebrate:
I bet 10vcash on Leeds. I won 45vcash.
LIS- Are there any excuses other than they played poorly? Nothing else to it to me.
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The reason behind it. Advantages and disadvantages. :great:
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Okay, I'm feeling awake now. Here we go!
Homeside always has an advantage, I don't know why but it always has.
The away team are used to different conditions, the atmosphere that they're used to changes the way they play. For example, if you studied on your bed and took a test, you would perform worse than if you studied in a similar environment to the test conditions. Sitting at a desk can make a difference as does a 12,000 person crowd compared to an 85,000 crowd. Even the lack of glamor can effect the moral of the away side.
Although one team has more valuable players, this doesn't directly relate to being so much better. People think the difference between a tier 1 player and a tier 4 player is the equivalent to an ant vs a bear and that is not the case. It's closer to variations of juggle cats. Another thing, think of a gold vs 1 months wages in food. The gold may cost more but that doesn't make it better.
The away team for some are made up of players that haven't even been playing 1 year together, I'm going to make the assumption that lower leagues can't afford to buy new players as regularly and have a few years of play time together. This is a big advantage, players that play well together are better than players who are good on their own but perform averagely.
The playstyle of different leagues can come as a shock to players who haven't had much experience in those before. Being 'superior' often makes the players play in a more lax style until they realise they were mistaken.
Combine all those plus a mediocre(before above is applied) performance and you will always have these sort of results. If I remember anything else I'll add it to this post.
I didn't watch all the games but the substitute keeper had a huge part in the game. If it was Cech it may have been a different end score.
Edit2: I remembered another one to do with being complacent. Going into the match with the egos half the players have, knowing that their wages and monetary value is more than the whole teams would give the another disadvantage.
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I honestly am half asleep, so I skimmed it. I do agree with one point largely. They are all humans, so it's not like Premier League level players just fly past lower league players. We are also talking about professionally athletes. It's not like 2nd and 3rd division guys aren't fast, strong, and fit. It really has much more to do with their technical level and decision making most of the time. The Premier League probably does have better overall athletes as well, but it's not night and day like many think.
Away games are always tough, and the fans of these lower league teams will be up for the game like nothing else. The Premier League teams often underestimate their opponents and play down to their level. That's much of what happened today. Just as you mentioned with Chelsea, Liverpool playing a few reserve players hurt them. They didn't perform up to par when the starters probably would have done better. That's football.
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I like this new L_I_S who likes football. :great:
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lol thanks, it's a pity no one really responded to my arguments. Now I feel like I wasted my time.
Damn Chelsea is pissing me off. How can they spend so much and not deliver? Being 3rd is not good enough for the money they spent. They were first for 9(?) weeks and then bam, third.
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lol thanks, it's a pity no one really responded to my arguments. Now I feel like I wasted my time.
Damn Chelsea is pissing me off. How can they spend so much and not deliver? Being 3rd is not good enough for the money they spent. They were first for 9(?) weeks and then bam, third.
I think the biggest reason is they fire their manager every couple months. They need to allow one manager to construct a team in his image to be able to find consistency. It won't happen overnight for Rafa. He needs time, but I doubt he'll get it.
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I think the biggest reason is they fire their manager every couple months. They need to allow one manager to construct a team in his image to be able to find consistency. It won't happen overnight for Rafa. He needs time, but I doubt he'll get it.
Ahh yea, didn't think of that. Abramovich seems pretty childish and has that now mind set so I guess we'll be seeing a few new one's until we hit another Mourinho.
MC v Liverpool today. Bet on City although I think Liverpool have a chance. City just has much more to lose.
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Ahh yea, didn't think of that. Abramovich seems pretty childish and has that now mind set so I guess we'll be seeing a few new one's until we hit another Mourinho.
MC v Liverpool today. Bet on City although I think Liverpool have a chance. City just has much more to lose.
He even fired Mourinho. I consider that to be one of the dumbest moves in the history of football.
I bet on a draw today. I normally bet on Liverpool just out of faith, but this is really is a tough task. Anyways, for Liverpool right now, a draw away to City is a good result.
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Determined unsatisfied after the match Manchester City vs Liverpool FC. The match was a very good run at a fast pace. Many situations were the two teams. LFC was close to victory, but unfortunately Reina made another mistake.
It's a pity this matche, as victory was within range players from Merseyside.
Unfortunately TOP4 receding, already 9 points ...
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Are Manchester City even trying to win the league? That display was pathetic. Also, the shocking mistakes were more than comical. They were down right weird. I am not even sure how they did them. Seems like the Premier League is singing a familiar tune.
"Lets all make sure that we suck worse than Manchester United"
Seriously, United haven't even been that good this season. The rest of the weak just seems to wilt at every opportunity. I makes me want to :suicide: watching the Premier League. I better start watching only rest of Europe and South American football.
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Luis Suarez is hands down the best player in the Premier League. Another great hat-trick yesterday by him. He's just a great player. I love watching him play.
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hmm dont know if he's the best, but what would liverpool be without him?? nothing :suicide:
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hmm dont know if he's the best, but what would liverpool be without him?? nothing :suicide:
Well, think about that. He's the top scorer in the league, and he's practically carrying Liverpool. He's also been better in other competitions than his main rivals for the POTY. He's not only the Prem leading scorer right now, but he's the overall leading scorer for any Prem team in all competitions. Not to mention, he's most likely the best dribbler in the Prem, and he's statistically done the most successful pannas of any player in Europe.
RVP- Better finisher, but overall I don't think he has as big of an impact.
Michu- Similar case, but like a poor man's version in many ways.
Bale- Much better athlete, but Suarez has been far more consistent throughout the season.
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yeah i see where u're coming from, he's definitely an amazing player! but i dont think u can say that the number of succesful pannas are important to decide which player is the best...but im about to agree with u, at the moment Luis Suarez is the best player in Premier League!
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yeah i see where u're coming from, he's definitely an amazing player! but i dont think u can say that the number of succesful pannas are important to decide which player is the best...but im about to agree with u, at the moment Luis Suarez is the best player in Premier League!
This is Beyond Football mate. Panna > Goal. :cheesy:
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haha it should be like that on the pitch
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Once upon a time I wasn't on the forum, and in the PL a lot going on. The most important (to me :grin:) that The Reds won another victory. Quite happily in the match against Tottenham rolled, but count 3 points. Suarez genius is amazing, for me, of course, the best player of the season.
Liverpool - we believe until the end!
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United to +15
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Liverpool FC lost at their own request, the fight for the Champions League...
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So, I just had to get this out somewhere. No one is arguing that what Luis Suarez did to day wasn't wrong. It obviously was. The problem I have is it will most definitely and really already has been blown out of proportion. Biting is a form of violent conduct, and it should be punished the same as punching, kicking, stamping, head butting, or any other physical attack. It is not worse, because it's biting. I'm not really sure how people construe it this way. Not everyone thinks to bite as an attack, just like not everyone thinks to head butt or elbow. It's an odd choice of attack in my opinion too, but it shouldn't be deemed worse.
I'm reading things that people are saying he should be thrown out of Liverpool FC and removed from the PFA Shortlist for this. That is absolute madness. There have been other players nominated for the award and punished for violent conduct in the same season. Removing Suarez from the PFA Shortlist will just be more proof of a double standard in England. He will be punished, and he will serve his ban. That will be the end of it.
Ok, so it's really your choice whether you like him or not, but there is one thing for sure. Luis Suarez is like the perfect evil genius in football. The headlines will be dominated with stories of the biting incident, but he also scored and assisted goals today. He was once again Liverpool's best player, and he was probably the best player on the pitch. Along with that genius ability, he has moments of madness like the handball and the biting incident. Now, we look through the history of the all time greats, and that is something many of them had. Maradona was very well known for poor behavior throughout his career. Overall, I like him. He plays a style of football which I really love. I don't approve of the behavior he demonstrated today, but overall, he's great.
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Of course, no one will take care of the FA antics of other players. Once again, the main topic of discussion is the behavior of Luis.
Too bad even talk crazy about it. Suarez on the pitch can't control his emotions, you have to accept it. In my view, until he don't harm anyone, let him do what he wants.
Everyone needs to focus on his game, rather than individual mistakes. Because it is an amazing player, which showed scoring goal in 97 minutes.
Meanwhile RvP already scored a hat-trick. Title of top scorer escapes ...