CL FINAL: United v Barca

[TheGodEmperor]

trust me, if any one team scores more consitently in the champions league it's barcelona

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/ucl/statistics/clubs/index.html

30 goals scored, and 62% average possession. plus the best player in the world, also leading in goals with 8 and another great player leading in assists, xavi with 6 and messi with 5. it's undenaible that they have the most potent attack force in europe, i don't know what's so hard to understand about that.

this doesn't mean they'll win the final, but they surely are the best team in europe.

agreed
emphatically

[a;sdlfkjas;df]

trust me, if any one team scores more consitently in the champions league it's barcelona

what does that have to do w/their play against united last year and chelsea this year?  you can point to whatever essentially unrelated statistic you'd like, but against the elite english teams these past two years they've had HUGE problems breaking them down, and not only have they had trouble breaking them down, they've shown very little capacity to alter their plans.  :bang:  my point isn't that barcelona does not score goals in bundles.  that's undeniable.  it's that, over the past two seasons, they've had trouble scoring in the final four against english comp.

30 goals scored and 62% average possession. plus the best player in the world, also leading in goals with 8 and another great player leading in assists, xavi with 6 and messi with 5. it's undenaible that they have the most potent attack force in europe, i don't know what's so hard to understand about that.

curiously, manchester united, on average, concedes .1 goals less than barcelona per goal scored

yes, i understand who plays for barcelona, and how they've performed this season.  yes, they're a good team.  yes, they're a great team, but they're not far and away the best team in europe.  one of the top 3-top 4?  sure.  are they the best team in europe?  that has yet to be decided

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trust me, if any one team scores more consitently in the champions league it's barcelona

what does that have to do w/their play against united last year and chelsea this year? 

so united can score 1 goal vs barcelona and chelsea can score 1 and conceed 1. what the hell does that prove? that both teams can play box defense well. to me, it's a scared tactic. let's be honest here.

united played poorly vs barcelona last year, because we have to understand that paul scholes will frequently blast shots into top corners. but if you look at the efficiency of either team in both games last year, it was poor. united is playing to it's strength and playing much more defensively. no problem there, but until a team can come out in the champions league and play a normal game, it's stupid to think that "barcelona struggles" when they are faced with a box full of defenders every time.

to sum up my point: Pique had the ball inside the Chelsea half very frequently throughout both games.

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so united can score 1 goal vs barcelona and chelsea can score 1 and conceed 1. what the hell does that prove? that both teams can play box defense well. to me, it's a scared tactic. let's be honest here.

it's a smart "tactic," and one that they will typically employ against each other, not just barcelona.  in short, it means that those teams can be extremely competitive w/barcelona, and when one of those teams has been undefeated for 25ish fucking games in the champions league, i'd be slow to anoint another team as "the team."

but until a team can come out in the champions league and play a normal game, it's stupid to think that "barcelona struggles" when they are faced with a box full of defenders every time.

it's not that they've simply struggled.  they had ONE shot on target versus chelsea and looked extremely vulnerable on the counter.

they had NO answer (well, andres iniesta did  :lol:).  they did the same fucking thing for 360 minutes

to sum up my point: Pique had the ball inside the Chelsea half very frequently throughout both games.

and in the battle of marathon, the persian immortals pushed the center of the athenian line to its breaking point, but that doesn't mean that the pincher motion from the two athenian flanks was any less lethal

/end matiliades fanboy

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they had ONE shot on target versus chelsea and looked extremely vulnerable on the counter.

 they did the same fucking thing for 360 minutes

next time, they'll bring a bulldozer and plow through all of the defense; how do you answer a sturdy defense that closes down Leonel Messi with 5 players at a time? don't be silly. there is only so much you can do in this situation. you said it yourself, it's 11 v 11 with a ball and a couple of goals. when shit hits the fans, there isn't some god a team can summon that will help them win. when you've got your central defenders driving an attack, it's obvious that there isn't much more you can do.

the defensive tactics of Guus were nailed down to a perfection; however, even a perfect and resolute defense couldn't stop Barcelona so far this year.   :hello:

[moby]

Barca are a champion team, there currently is no team in the world that plays equal to them,

yeah.  they were absolutely fantastic versus chelsea.  far and away the best team in europe

Chelsea went all out defence so of course barca could not play the way they usually play

if chelsea went all out defense against man utd do you think man utd would have dont better then barca?

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they had ONE shot on target versus chelsea and looked extremely vulnerable on the counter.

 they did the same fucking thing for 360 minutes

next time, they'll bring a bulldozer and plow through all of the defense; how do you answer a sturdy defense that closes down Leonel Messi with 5 players at a time? don't be silly. there is only so much you can do in this situation. you said it yourself, it's 11 v 11 with a ball and a couple of goals. when shit hits the fans, there isn't some god a team can summon that will help them win. when you've got your central defenders driving an attack, it's obvious that there isn't much more you can do.

do you remember the few instances in the game where barcelona actually switched the field w/i a reasonable amount of time?  they found space.  there's always space on the field, especially when five players are gravitating towards a single player.  there's plenty you can do in that situation.  barcelona just was not doing it.

barcelona had just run out of ideas

even a perfect and resolute defense couldn't stop Barcelona so far this year.

*didn't see essien's clearance.*  plus, away goals don't apply in the final.

Chelsea went all out defence so of course barca could not play the way they usually play

...but they tried to for 180 minutes.  anyway, that wasn't all out defense.  chelsea had 13 fucking shots, 6 corners, and 5 offsides.  they were extremely disciplined, but "all out defense" is a huge stretch.  chelsea just played a high pressure game and pushed barcelona sideways.  barcelona had no answer for it

if chelsea went all out defense against man utd do you think man utd would have dont better then barca?

sir alex would have, at the very least, adjusted his gameplan

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but they tried to for 180 minutes. barcelona had no answer for it

lol which team made it to the final? no matter what way you look at it, technically, thier game plan worked. they pushed around the box until they found a shot. albeit a lucky one :thumbsup:

sir alex would have, at the very least, adjusted his gameplan

i think Pep and all of his 5 years old is allowed to make such rookie mistakes and still make it to the final. sir alex has over 20 years of experience with the same team, let's not be silly and compare the two as if they are on the same level.

[2zef^^]

United for me..2-0  :3some:

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lol which team made it to the final? no matter what way you look at it, technically, thier game plan worked. they pushed around the box until they found a shot. albeit a lucky one Thumbs Up

you can look at it from whatever angle you'd like.  i don't discount that they are a great team, but come on, they had a ton of problems.  it doesn't make them any less worthy, but it definitely comes into play when they play a great team such as manchester united

i mean, seriously, they didn't look like that beat everyone team that everyone made them out to be

i think Pep and all of his 5 years old is allowed to make such rookie mistakes and still make it to the final. sir alex has over 20 years of experience with the same team, let's not be silly and compare the two as if they are on the same level.

that's not even a rookie mistake, that's retarded.

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but come on, they had a ton of problems

you seem to be missing or ignoring the point, that teams are playing virtually all out defense on them. looking for space or not, any team would have problems if chelsea did that to them. you can't make any comparisons because chelsea does not do that to manchester united.

i mean, seriously, they didn't look like that beat everyone team that everyone made them out to be

again, you're speaking as if it was a "normal" game. we both know it was going to be very difficult for them to breakdown Chelsea.

that's not even a rookie mistake, that's retarded.

first year as manager: champions league final + la liga title = not retarded

[timm]

i don't understand guys  :dontknow:
how can people say barcelona is the best team in europe
they should have lost to chelsea
and don't fucking argue with me bout this
just watch this vid

me personally
man u all the way
theres no better team
its gonna be 3 epls in a row
AND 2 CHAMPIONS LEAGUES  :thumbsup: