Life after death after life?

[Jono]

Your right when you say the population is changing, but thats variation. It doesnt prove evolution as true.

And Ed evolution has not been proven, and it has never been observed.

You say we share a common ancestor with apes. I say we share a common creater.

[Royal Freakiness]

we didn't evolve from monkeys.  if you wanna trace us back to anything that look like monkeys, u'd have to go back at least 30 million years.  we share common ancestors with apes.

of course we share some common attributes but that doesn't necessarily mean we evolved from them

go back 30 Million years! How?

monkeys have tails.  no hominid to my recollection have ever had tails.  we branched off from that long before we branched off from apes to become hominids.

royalfreakiness, i hope ur not serious.  evolution is a proven thing, it can even be observed and tracked.

humans are animals.  in the grand scheme of things we are no better than the rest of the animal kingdom.  for that matter, we're no better than the rest of the other organisms like plants, fungi, bacteria, and others.

if anything, survival wise, we're a lot worse than a lot of them.

but we're animals nonetheless.  we have cells, we have organs, we have a heart and brain... we ingest other organisms for sustenance and we definitely procreate just like any other animals.

to think we're better and that we're somehow exempt from the laws of evolution, is extremely arrogant and ignorant.

yes we are better than them coz we can think logically and we have a choice to be what we want
we are better than pigs, dogs, horses, lions etc
and yes I'm serious
All humans were created separately from any animals
that's what Islam teaches
and Allah told us that we are made in a higher level than even angels (yes we believe in angels)
take it offensively if you want
We were taught that Muslims are the best of creatures (MUSLIMS)
are those of knowledge at the same of those without?
clearly no
Knowledge here meaning Islam
I don't want to believe we've branched out from apes, and I WILL NOT believe it
and I will not believe we are equal to monkeys, cats, fish, elephants.
 :thumbsup:

Your right when you say the population is changing, but thats variation. It doesnt prove evolution as true.

And Ed evolution has not been proven, and it has never been observed.

You say we share a common ancestor with apes. I say we share a common creater.

+1

[L_I_S]

Your right when you say the population is changing, but thats variation. It doesnt prove evolution as true.

And Ed evolution has not been proven, and it has never been observed.

You say we share a common ancestor with apes. I say we share a common creater.

i like that line :thumbsup:

[TheGodEmperor]

we didn't evolve from monkeys.  if you wanna trace us back to anything that look like monkeys, u'd have to go back at least 30 million years.  we share common ancestors with apes.

of course we share some common attributes but that doesn't necessarily mean we evolved from them

go back 30 Million years! How?

Man stands before a door opening onto infinitude that no other creature in the universe can aspire to.

ah tito, tito, tito...

these quotes do nothing to further your argument....they're just something that some people wrote just like the words I'm writing now

[a;sdlfkjas;df]

Your right when you say the population is changing, but thats variation. It doesnt prove evolution as true.

that IS evolution

And Ed evolution has not been proven, and it has never been observed.

evolution is a FACT.  there is no difference b/w "macro" and "micro" evolution.  i think what you're looking for is that "speciation" has never been observed, but it has, both in the laboratory and the field.

You say we share a common ancestor with apes. I say we share a common creater.

i don't think anyone else is ruling out the possibility.  YOUR static worldview is damaged by evolution.  evolution doesn't say a damned thing for or against some kind of creator

[TheGodEmperor]

Your right when you say the population is changing, but thats variation. It doesnt prove evolution as true.

that IS evolution

And Ed evolution has not been proven, and it has never been observed.

evolution is a FACT.  there is no difference b/w "macro" and "micro" evolution.  i think what you're looking for is that "speciation" has never been observed, but it has, both in the laboratory and the field.

You say we share a common ancestor with apes. I say we share a common creater.

i don't think anyone else is ruling out the possibility.  YOUR static worldview is damaged by evolution.  evolution doesn't say a damned thing for or against some kind of creator

Normally I would say something, but I really think mr. burress has said all that needs to be said.

@Royalfreakiness: what perverse deity dictates belief that cages the human mind? The bible and the quran are books just as Ulysses, the Iliad, and Blood Meridian are books. Use your own capacity for language to dictate your mind, stop looking at the world through the eyes of turning pages -- draw your own conclusions, create your own pages.

[AznMagic]

we didn't evolve from monkeys.  if you wanna trace us back to anything that look like monkeys, u'd have to go back at least 30 million years.  we share common ancestors with apes.

of course we share some common attributes but that doesn't necessarily mean we evolved from them

go back 30 Million years! How?

monkeys have tails.  no hominid to my recollection have ever had tails.  we branched off from that long before we branched off from apes to become hominids.

royalfreakiness, i hope ur not serious.  evolution is a proven thing, it can even be observed and tracked.

humans are animals.  in the grand scheme of things we are no better than the rest of the animal kingdom.  for that matter, we're no better than the rest of the other organisms like plants, fungi, bacteria, and others.

if anything, survival wise, we're a lot worse than a lot of them.

but we're animals nonetheless.  we have cells, we have organs, we have a heart and brain... we ingest other organisms for sustenance and we definitely procreate just like any other animals.

to think we're better and that we're somehow exempt from the laws of evolution, is extremely arrogant and ignorant.

yes we are better than them coz we can think logically and we have a choice to be what we want
we are better than pigs, dogs, horses, lions etc
and yes I'm serious
All humans were created separately from any animals
that's what Islam teaches
and Allah told us that we are made in a higher level than even angels (yes we believe in angels)
take it offensively if you want
We were taught that Muslims are the best of creatures (MUSLIMS)
are those of knowledge at the same of those without?
clearly no
Knowledge here meaning Islam
I don't want to believe we've branched out from apes, and I WILL NOT believe it
and I will not believe we are equal to monkeys, cats, fish, elephants.
 :thumbsup:

Your right when you say the population is changing, but thats variation. It doesnt prove evolution as true.

And Ed evolution has not been proven, and it has never been observed.

yes it has.

plus...

we ARE animals.  what the fuck do you think we are then?

[Jono]

Evolution hasnt been observed. An organism changing into another, such as a ape into a human (using as an example) has not been observed.

And buress you say variation is evolution. And your right, that is whats being used to back up this theory. But it doesnt prove or hasnt given any evidence that we evolved from fish into what we are now.

[AznMagic]

Evolution hasnt been observed. An organism changing into another, such as a ape into a human (using as an example) has not been observed.

And buress you say variation is evolution. And your right, that is whats being used to back up this theory. But it doesnt prove or hasnt given any evidence that we evolved from fish into what we are now.

a lot can happen in a few billion years of life.

[Jono]

Well i dont believe the earth is more than 6000 years old. And if it was than why is there nothing that ages over 6000 years old. No human history i mean. And when i say 6000 years, i actually mean 6000-10000...around there.

[a;sdlfkjas;df]

Evolution hasnt been observed

yes, evolution has been observed.  in fact, it's been observed with such regularity that it is considered a truth.

An organism changing into another, such as a ape into a human (using as an example) has not been observed.

yes, it has.  speciation has been documented in both the laboratory and the field

And your right, that is whats being used to back up this theory.

this isn't a theory.  modern evolutionary synthesis is a theory.  evolution is not a theory

But it doesnt prove or hasnt given any evidence that we evolved from fish into what we are now.

uhh yes, it does

there is no difference between what you consider "variation" ("micro-evolution" -- a relatively outdated term) and "macro-evolution" (large scale evolution)

look, your information comes from the same people who still push vitalism, believe that the earth is 6000 y/o, and dig up relatively arcane terms in a vain attempt to differentiate b/w large-scale change in species and changes within a population.  the evidence to the contrary is overwhelming, and in most cases, irrefutable (in cases that it is not, it is generally due to a lack of information, not information to the contrary).  these people will continue to stretch their rigid intrepretations of the Bible (a book written 2000 fucking years ago) to their very limit to argue against the very logical and religious-neutral progression of events as described by science (along the same vein of logic, don't pick up the atheist's primer to science either).

pick up a biology textbook, realize that it has NO agenda against your religion, and read through it.  i think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

we're animals, not some extraterrestial being.  could we have a god?  sure.  if he's there, he's beyond reason, and it would be foolish to think that he couldn't have dictated the progression of events that led to the situation as it is.

[TheGodEmperor]

Well i dont believe the earth is more than 6000 years old. And if it was than why is there nothing that ages over 6000 years old. No human history i mean. And when i say 6000 years, i actually mean 6000-10000...around there.

theres that nasty word again....belief

I mean, theres all kinds of geological evidence stating that the earth is billions of years old...six thousand years ago, Sumer was flourishing -- 2.5 million years ago homo erectus was doing the same, and 4 000 000 years ago, australopithecus africanus was exhibiting traits that would later define the hominid group, and 6-8 000 000 years ago, ardepithecus ramidus was exhibiting traits that would later define the australopithecine group

Evolution occurs through genetic mutations, natural selection, and sexual selection over a very long period of time. But then, jono/freakiness, I don't doubt that you've ever actually read about evolution, but I will wager that you've read it's refutations...not a good way of going about things, keeping an open mind, etc...