It is best to have no opinion and keep an open mind and not look into it too much. No point getting so deep, never gonna find the answer.
life would also be a lot simpler if we laid down and died.
For me, there doesn't need to exist a god for everything to exist, there doesn't need to exist any super-natural at all. Sure, science isn't able to answer everything just yet, but it's on its way on doing so. What's been discovered/said until now makes simply makes sense (atleast from what I've read/seen/heard), whereas god and religion doesn't.
science is not a thing you can characterize. it is a process. it is a study of. it's just a word to describe the logical, experimental process human beings go into understanding the world around us. it's on it's way to answering everything? impossible. not even close. but bit by bit we're learning more for sure.
However, a lot of science is pure "theory" as well, meaning that we are only close and speculative as to how we got here.
Now, being that even the top scientists in the world don't really know for sure how we got here, I think it'd be best to keep your mind as open as possible and not reject even the most farfetched of ideas.
there's a lot of science that are "laws" as well, not just theory. and some theories are basically laws but aren't called so. technically, u can argue the entire existence of reality as being just "theory" if you wanna get that far into it.
it's great to be open minded but to also be pragmatic. imagination must coexist with logical sense.
An argument for God along the lines of Hegelian Dialectic:
I exist. I am part of reality, and therefore reality, which we will call the absolute, is essentially me. But I entail the existence of anyone and anything I have ever interacted with, so the absolute expands to encompass them too. In essence, existence relies upon a progression of logical negation that renders existence necessary:
I cannot be the only one who exists, because in order for me to exist, my parents must have existed, and everything that has had a hand in making me who I am must have existed, or must exist.
Because the finite exists (I am finite), the opposite of finite must exist, because the notion of 'finite' requires the contrast between its oposite (infinite). It follows that because I am a being who is finite, a being who is infinite must exist. Therefore, if I am part of the absolute, then an infinite being is part of the absolute. Because there is only one notion of 'finite,' it follows that there is also only one 'infinite' which must encompass all potential for infinity.
I exist. Finite exists.
Therefore an infinite being exists.
Clearly that infinite being is a godhead, since the finite requires an infinite amount of time to create infinity (note the art of counting), and for there to be an infinite amount of time, infinity must have already existed, because there is only one infinity. Therefore, the infinite being must have preceded the finite. Since numbers can be subtracted from infinity anywhere short of an infinite amount of times without any effect on its infinite status, this infinite being could easily have spawned all finite existence (ie the universe, you, me, etc...).
I wondered what you all would make of that, but I formulated it off the top of my head so it'll probably have some errors. I don't agree with this, by the way. I just find different arguments for and against the existence of god to be very interesting.
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that's something u can say which would be completely and totally true but at the same time be so incredibly far off and wrong it's not even funny. this has just as much credibility as religion itself, which in itself, is questionable. not taking anything away from you i think this is an interesting angle to look at things from.
and TF10, everything you talk about seems a little bit overwhelming. You seem to want to complicate the issue far more than it really is. It's actually quite simple, although I know you aren't entirely certain what sort of divine you believe in. Yes, the finite blah blah. It seems as if you want to think entirely too deeply into something that the answer can only be found from your belief. Trying to rationalize and reason through what you believe shouldn't be so complicated.
we try to simplify things so we can try to understand them. in truth it's an overly complicated issue that will never be resolved. that's why the quotes i've shared about "truths" i find makes so much sense.
