There is no God

[BigMac]

It is best to have no opinion and keep an open mind and not look into it too much. No point getting so deep, never gonna find the answer.

[Mikael]

Wow, I'm glad that there are actually people like me here.  :thumbsup: Love ya all, babes! xD

[TW89]

We can't say there is a god, nor say there isn't.

It is best to have no opinion and keep an open mind and not look into it too much. No point getting so deep, never gonna find the answer.

Yup yup

[Mike]

I believe in pure science.

For me, there doesn't need to exist a god for everything to exist, there doesn't need to exist any super-natural at all. Sure, science isn't able to answer everything just yet, but it's on its way on doing so. What's been discovered/said until now makes simply makes sense (atleast from what I've read/seen/heard), whereas god and religion doesn't.

[Jatt]

We can't say there is a god, nor say there isn't.

It is best to have no opinion and keep an open mind and not look into it too much. No point getting so deep, never gonna find the answer.

Yup yup

Many religious people use the ideology that one cannot disprove the existence of God.
Well, let's say that I tell you that there is a soccer ball in the middle of the Universe and I pray to it everyday. I tell you that you should believe in that soccer ball too. You say "Prove it that the soccer ball is there!". Then, as many religious idiots elaborate, "You can't prove it's not there, can you?" Pure bullshit!

[a;sdlfkjas;df]

Many religious people use the ideology that one cannot disprove the existence of God.

you can't.  that's why you are told to "believe."  some do.  some don't.  whatever

i just find it stupid when people take a testable scientific theory (e.g. modern evolutionary synthesis) and put it against a "belief" system.  these things don't have to be mutually exclusive

[TheGodEmperor]

We can't say there is a god, nor say there isn't.

It is best to have no opinion and keep an open mind and not look into it too much. No point getting so deep, never gonna find the answer.

Yup yup

Many religious people use the ideology that one cannot disprove the existence of God.
Well, let's say that I tell you that there is a soccer ball in the middle of the Universe and I pray to it everyday. I tell you that you should believe in that soccer ball too. You say "Prove it that the soccer ball is there!". Then, as many religious idiots elaborate, "You can't prove it's not there, can you?" Pure bullshit!

It's actually classified as a logical fallacy. But only idiots make that argument  :biggrin:

I actually think there is some sort of creation force outside of time and finite existence-as-a-body, but also that there are no immanent gods of the kind that most religions worship

[^_^]

Many religious people use the ideology that one cannot disprove the existence of God.
Well, let's say that I tell you that there is a soccer ball in the middle of the Universe and I pray to it everyday. I tell you that you should believe in that soccer ball too. You say "Prove it that the soccer ball is there!". Then, as many religious idiots elaborate, "You can't prove it's not there, can you?" Pure bullshit!

Well, essentially, you aren't supposed to be able to prove the existence of God. That's the whole concept; those who believe, and i'm not ashamed to say that I do, believe so because they have faith. Yes I do.

You are pretty much calling me stupid [in a nutshell, don't get riled up] But not that i'm getting offended, it's just that I, like many other people, have reason to believe. I'm not defending people that try to convert/convince people to join a certain religion. And i'm also not the type of person to take credible scientific material and disprove it. However, a lot of science is pure "theory" as well, meaning that we are only close and speculative as to how we got here.

Now, being that even the top scientists in the world don't really know for sure how we got here, I think it'd be best to keep your mind as open as possible and not reject even the most farfetched of ideas.

 :cheers:

[TJ Hooker]

Many religious people use the ideology that one cannot disprove the existence of God.
Well, let's say that I tell you that there is a soccer ball in the middle of the Universe and I pray to it everyday. I tell you that you should believe in that soccer ball too. You say "Prove it that the soccer ball is there!". Then, as many religious idiots elaborate, "You can't prove it's not there, can you?" Pure bullshit!

Well, essentially, you aren't supposed to be able to prove the existence of God. That's the whole concept; those who believe, and i'm not ashamed to say that I do, believe so because they have faith. Yes I do.

You are pretty much calling me stupid [in a nutshell, don't get riled up] But not that i'm getting offended, it's just that I, like many other people, have reason to believe. I'm not defending people that try to convert/convince people to join a certain religion. And i'm also not the type of person to take credible scientific material and disprove it. However, a lot of science is pure "theory" as well, meaning that we are only close and speculative as to how we got here.

Now, being that even the top scientists in the world don't really know for sure how we got here, I think it'd be best to keep your mind as open as possible and not reject even the most farfetched of ideas.

 :cheers:

Haha man, that was a fucking great post. I don't agree with religion at all, but damn, amazing points man.

[a;sdlfkjas;df]

However, a lot of science is pure "theory"

testable theory

i would argue that due to the nature of relgious belief systems, science doesn't necessarily have to discredit them

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of course it's testable, they are scientific theories. but remember, they are still only theory.

[TheGodEmperor]

An argument for God along the lines of Hegelian Dialectic:

I exist. I am part of reality, and therefore reality, which we will call the absolute, is essentially me. But I entail the existence of anyone and anything I have ever interacted with, so the absolute expands to encompass them too. In essence, existence relies upon a progression of logical negation that renders existence necessary:

I cannot be the only one who exists, because in order for me to exist, my parents must have existed, and everything that has had a hand in making me who I am must have existed, or must exist.

Because the finite exists (I am finite), the opposite of finite must exist, because the notion of 'finite' requires the contrast between its oposite (infinite). It follows that because I am a being who is finite, a being who is infinite must exist. Therefore, if I am part of the absolute, then an infinite being is part of the absolute. Because there is only one notion of 'finite,' it follows that there is also only one 'infinite' which must encompass all potential for infinity.

I exist. Finite exists.

Therefore an infinite being exists.

Clearly that infinite being is a godhead, since the finite requires an infinite amount of time to create infinity (note the art of counting), and for there to be an infinite amount of time, infinity must have already existed, because there is only one infinity. Therefore, the infinite being must have preceded the finite. Since numbers can be subtracted from infinity anywhere short of an infinite amount of times without any effect on its infinite status, this infinite being could easily have spawned all finite existence (ie the universe, you, me, etc...).

I wondered what you all would make of that, but I formulated it off the top of my head so it'll probably have some errors. I don't agree with this, by the way. I just find different arguments for and against the existence of god to be very interesting.

 :cheers: