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The United winger was presented with the award by Sir Alex Ferguson at Carrington on Monday. The 23-year-old scored an incredible 42 goals on his way to helping United reach a Premier League and Champions League Double.

"To be recognised by my fellow players is amazing," he said. "I would like to thank my team-mates and coaches and everyone involved at United and the national team, as well as my family and friends for their support."

Reds boss Sir Alex handed Ronaldo the award and said that he hoped there were many more like it to come at OId Trafford. It’s the first of what is expected to be a string of global awards for the Portuguese attacker, who has also been nominated for the prestigious Ballon d’Or award.

Ronaldo was also named in the FIFPro World Team of the Year, as was his team-mate Rio Ferdinand, who collected the honours for their achievements from Professional Footballers Association chief Gordon Taylor.


FIFPro team: Casillas (Real Madrid); Ramos (Real Madrid), Terry (Chelsea), Ferdinand (United), Puyol (Barcelona); Gerrard (Liverpool), Kaka (AC Milan), Xavi (Barcelona), Messi (Barcelona); Torres (Liverpool), Ronaldo (United).



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Re: And the FIFPro World Player of the Year is..
« Reply #1 on: Oct 27, 2008, 04:28: AM »
And I suggest you read the interview, it's pretty good, he has matured a lot since the summer chaos..

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Re: And the FIFPro World Player of the Year is..
« Reply #2 on: Oct 27, 2008, 04:46: AM »
he is still not the best player in the world, nor is the most important player on united. unfortunately i think the people who get to pick the winner of these awards are not always the most knowledgeable people in football. if you disagree and think ronaldo is the best player in the world, name another time in history that a selfish diver has been the best player in the world. to be the best in the world you are supposed to make your team better. with ronaldo its the opposite, playing with united makes him better, because he gets to finish all the chances that they set up along with all the penalties.
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Re: And the FIFPro World Player of the Year is..
« Reply #3 on: Oct 27, 2008, 04:50: AM »
he is still not the best player in the world, nor is the most important player on united. unfortunately i think the people who get to pick the winner of these awards are not always the most knowledgeable people in football. if you disagree and think ronaldo is the best player in the world, name another time in history that a selfish diver has been the best player in the world. to be the best in the world you are supposed to make your team better. with ronaldo its the opposite, playing with united makes him better, because he gets to finish all the chances that they set up along with all the penalties.
By scoring 42 goals he makes his team better. End.

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Re: And the FIFPro World Player of the Year is..
« Reply #4 on: Oct 27, 2008, 05:16: AM »
he is still not the best player in the world, nor is the most important player on united. unfortunately i think the people who get to pick the winner of these awards are not always the most knowledgeable people in football. if you disagree and think ronaldo is the best player in the world, name another time in history that a selfish diver has been the best player in the world. to be the best in the world you are supposed to make your team better. with ronaldo its the opposite, playing with united makes him better, because he gets to finish all the chances that they set up along with all the penalties.
By scoring 42 goals he makes his team better. End.

so when you play on the team who is rewarded the most penalties each year, and you get to take all the penalties you are the best player.  there is more to football than scoring goals. a true great player will make goals for his team, and do what is best for his team offensively and defensively. if you think that standing and watching on defense is the best for your team, than ronaldo is the best player for you. also if you think that attempting to dribble and go alone for your own goal 9/10 times on the ball is the best for your team than ronaldo is the best for you too. if you really new what a top quality player is you would know that. ronaldo is an extremely talented player, but not the best in the world by miles. The players who should be in contention for the award are players like torres, messi, van nistelrooy, and gerrard. they play for their teams and not for themselves. this makes them great players.
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Re: And the FIFPro World Player of the Year is..
« Reply #5 on: Oct 27, 2008, 07:25: AM »
he is still not the best player in the world, nor is the most important player on united. unfortunately i think the people who get to pick the winner of these awards are not always the most knowledgeable people in football. if you disagree and think ronaldo is the best player in the world, name another time in history that a selfish diver has been the best player in the world. to be the best in the world you are supposed to make your team better. with ronaldo its the opposite, playing with united makes him better, because he gets to finish all the chances that they set up along with all the penalties.
By scoring 42 goals he makes his team better. End.

so when you play on the team who is rewarded the most penalties each year, and you get to take all the penalties you are the best player.  there is more to football than scoring goals. a true great player will make goals for his team, and do what is best for his team offensively and defensively. if you think that standing and watching on defense is the best for your team, than ronaldo is the best player for you. also if you think that attempting to dribble and go alone for your own goal 9/10 times on the ball is the best for your team than ronaldo is the best for you too. if you really new what a top quality player is you would know that. ronaldo is an extremely talented player, but not the best in the world by miles. The players who should be in contention for the award are players like torres, messi, van nistelrooy, and gerrard. they play for their teams and not for themselves. this makes them great players.

Taking those penalties is not easy, especially in very important games where your penalty decides the game. Most of his goals didn't come from the spot either.

You are an idiot for claiming Ronaldo is not the best because he doesn't play offense and defense. Most of the players selected for this award (except Cannavaro) are only offensive players. You shouldn't expect a forward to play defense. Most forwards are terrible at defending. If you haven't realized, Ronaldo plays more of a forward role than a midfield role.

Do you realize how many assists Ronaldo has? Everytime he's in the final third he causes danger. He sets his team mates up plenty. You are just too ignorant to see it.

And please tell me how Messi, Torres, Ruud play any more defense than Ronaldo? You are out of your mind with your arguements. I suggest you take a less naive and ignorant view of Ronaldo. You might then be able to see the greatness in him. I also don't see how you can say that Ronaldo doesn't make an impact on his team. Did you not realize that Man U is not a top 3 team in England without him. He is the reason they are winning titles. HE, nobody else, nobody else on that team has more of an impact on the team than him.


FIFPro team: Casillas (Real Madrid); Ramos (Real Madrid), Terry (Chelsea), Ferdinand (United), Puyol (Barcelona); Gerrard (Liverpool), Kaka (AC Milan), Xavi (Barcelona), Messi (Barcelona); Torres (Liverpool), Ronaldo (United).


That's about as good as it's going to get with these awards. I believe the above line up is very accurate when it comes to the best players.
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Re: And the FIFPro World Player of the Year is..
« Reply #6 on: Oct 27, 2008, 07:42: AM »
He missed a penalty v Barca and gets death threats, Adi is right, it's not easy.

Rooney plays defensively and gets criticized that he is not playing his position, I'm sure if Ronaldo played defensively then everybody would say the same thing.
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Re: And the FIFPro World Player of the Year is..
« Reply #7 on: Oct 27, 2008, 08:15: AM »
he is still not the best player in the world, nor is the most important player on united. unfortunately i think the people who get to pick the winner of these awards are not always the most knowledgeable people in football. if you disagree and think ronaldo is the best player in the world, name another time in history that a selfish diver has been the best player in the world. to be the best in the world you are supposed to make your team better. with ronaldo its the opposite, playing with united makes him better, because he gets to finish all the chances that they set up along with all the penalties.
By scoring 42 goals he makes his team better. End.

so when you play on the team who is rewarded the most penalties each year, and you get to take all the penalties you are the best player.  there is more to football than scoring goals. a true great player will make goals for his team, and do what is best for his team offensively and defensively. if you think that standing and watching on defense is the best for your team, than ronaldo is the best player for you. also if you think that attempting to dribble and go alone for your own goal 9/10 times on the ball is the best for your team than ronaldo is the best for you too. if you really new what a top quality player is you would know that. ronaldo is an extremely talented player, but not the best in the world by miles. The players who should be in contention for the award are players like torres, messi, van nistelrooy, and gerrard. they play for their teams and not for themselves. this makes them great players.

Taking those penalties is not easy, especially in very important games where your penalty decides the game. Most of his goals didn't come from the spot either.

You are an idiot for claiming Ronaldo is not the best because he doesn't play offense and defense. Most of the players selected for this award (except Cannavaro) are only offensive players. You shouldn't expect a forward to play defense. Most forwards are terrible at defending. If you haven't realized, Ronaldo plays more of a forward role than a midfield role.

Do you realize how many assists Ronaldo has? Everytime he's in the final third he causes danger. He sets his team mates up plenty. You are just too ignorant to see it.

And please tell me how Messi, Torres, Ruud play any more defense than Ronaldo? You are out of your mind with your arguements. I suggest you take a less naive and ignorant view of Ronaldo. You might then be able to see the greatness in him. I also don't see how you can say that Ronaldo doesn't make an impact on his team. Did you not realize that Man U is not a top 3 team in England without him. He is the reason they are winning titles. HE, nobody else, nobody else on that team has more of an impact on the team than him.


FIFPro team: Casillas (Real Madrid); Ramos (Real Madrid), Terry (Chelsea), Ferdinand (United), Puyol (Barcelona); Gerrard (Liverpool), Kaka (AC Milan), Xavi (Barcelona), Messi (Barcelona); Torres (Liverpool), Ronaldo (United).


That's about as good as it's going to get with these awards. I believe the above line up is very accurate when it comes to the best players.

defense doesn't mean playing far back on the pitch. it means working to help your team defend and get the ball back. torres does a very good job at applying pressure from his striker position. he works hard to win the ball back. Messi and ruud do this as well especially when they lose possession of the ball.  ronaldo typically after losing possession puts his hands on his head and stops. also you mention assists. since when is 5 or 6 six assist ground breaking. ronaldo has never been considered a great passer of the ball. he gets assist every now and than from dribbling players and crossing the ball, not making brilliant passes throughout matches. oh on this topic, rooney and tevez both are probably as important or more than ronaldo is to united. they work hard and play make while ronaldo finishes chances.  if you need more proof look at ronaldo on portugal instead of for united. he is far less successful, because he doesn't have the talent supplying him the ball. football is a team sport. it will never truly be dominated by an individual type player like ronaldo. true great players are like maradona, zidane, best. they play for their team, and not just for their own personal glory. i will admit ronaldo on talent is one of the top players in the world, but to truly be the best you also need to work hard and play smarter than what ronaldo does. if you really think united isn't a top 3 team without ronaldo, you my friend are the retard. minus ronaldo united still have the most talented roster in the premier league with maybe the exception of chelsea. no one player ever made a team, so i would like to see less of the ronaldo bandwagon saying he is better than whole teams.
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Re: And the FIFPro World Player of the Year is..
« Reply #8 on: Oct 27, 2008, 08:50: AM »
He might not have the perfect attitude when it comes to defending but it doesn't mean he's not the best player right now. If we talk about right now (this instance), I'd say Messi is just ahead of him, but looking at the whole year, I would put Ronaldo first.

Ronaldo may not be known for his passing, but since when is passing the only way of creating chances for your team mates? Ronaldo is not bad with his passing which means it's not a liability for him. He's not a goalkeeper when it comes to passing. The guy can still play a good through ball. It's not his strength, but his other ways of creating chances (dribbling, speed, shooting) make up for that slight lack of a perfect pass. Other midfielders (Gerrard) don't have the speed or dribbling ability. I can make your kind of argument any day.

Get your facts straight. Ronaldo scored 42 goals last year and 9 assists. God knows how many more goals were scored because of Ronaldo's shots that were dropped by the keeper or how he beats 3 guys plays it to someone else and then they give the final pass. And this year alone, Ronaldo already has 12 assists plus 12 goals.

By the way, about Tevez and Rooney you say "they work hard and play make while ronaldo finishes chances." What kind of shit is this? Ronaldo sets these guys up way more than they set him up. Ronaldo creates his own chances most of the time. You don't see Tevez or Rooney created their own shit too often. Occasionally they do but nowhere near as much as Ronaldo does. And since when does the higher forward score less and assist more than the one that sits underneath him? It shouldn't be like that and that's why SAF brought in Berbatov. Ronaldo needs someone ahead of him so he can set the forward up and roam around him.

Speaking of Portugal, have you ever thought of the fact that Portugal has no striker? Ronaldo has nobody ahead of him to play off of or to supply the ball to. Their strikers are shit and are not even average for a top caliber team. Teams man-mark Ronaldo or double team him due to the fact that nobody up top presents a danger. Put a decent forward up there and you'll see what kind of team Portugal becomes.

When did I say soccer is not a team game? Also, why are you talking about Zidane, Maradone, etc.? We are talking about who the best players are right now.

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i will admit ronaldo on talent is one of the top players in the world, but to truly be the best you also need to work hard and play smarter than what ronaldo does.

So where does Ronaldo rank with his talent? #1? If so, I rest my case. I know Ronaldo works hard. I don't know what you are talking about with that statement. Maybe to you working hard is running like an idiot all over the pitch, and closing down every player. Ronaldo works hard and there's no doubt about that. He wouldn't be the success he is if he didn't work hard. Ronaldo also plays smart. He's not the player he used to be in his first few years where he just dribbled with his head down. You can see his scoring record to prove that.

I really think that Chelsea would be ahead of Man U if they didn't have Ronaldo. I think Liverpool would get second, and then it'd be close between Arsenal and Man U. Ronaldo really has a huge impact on that team. Did you not see how they struggled in the first 5+ games of the season? I know it's not a real assessment, but everytime I watch Man U, they play way better with Ronaldo in the line-up.






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Re: And the FIFPro World Player of the Year is..
« Reply #9 on: Oct 27, 2008, 09:15: AM »
By evening being on the field he attracts attention of the opponent defenders.. which opens up for other players. Not to mention his insane freekicks, and hes also a good head player.

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Re: And the FIFPro World Player of the Year is..
« Reply #10 on: Oct 27, 2008, 09:24: AM »
Ronaldo gets a lot of rebounds and corners off his freekicks. I can't remember how many chances Park got just from Ronaldo's freekicks. Even Solskjaer got a few goals like that 2 years ago.  Ronaldo gets corners from free kicks and then you have Vidic and Ferdinand scoring from headers.

He creates many chances! :biggrin:
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Re: And the FIFPro World Player of the Year is..
« Reply #11 on: Oct 27, 2008, 09:31: AM »
Having read some of his arguments I belive Paris Hilton would own redsforlife in a football debate.