Obama-Biden Vs McCain-Palin

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yeah, to obama's benefit, but that's a personal opinion

it was cancelled out; too many people voted against him because he is black; you're from the same state as me...you know the same as i do.

[a;sdlfkjas;df]

our state wasn't going to be won regardless.  it's a very difficult thing to evaluate

[Adi]

Obama better not get assassinated. All kinds of shit would go down if that were to happen.

yeah, to obama's benefit, but that's a personal opinion

don't kid yourself. race was huge part of this election. the only reason the race was close at all was the fact the obama is a black man. if he was white, the race would have been a landslide, and we would have known about it for a long time.  i support and voted for obama myself. i live in tennessee where i from first hand experience know that many people here mainly voted for mccain, because obama is black. i am ashamed that people think this way, but its the truth.

You can look at that from two perspectives: one is your perspective, the other is that Obama also got a ton of votes from black people that would not have voted otherwise. Also, tons of black people voted for Obama despite being Republican. I don't know what created more votes, but I bet it was pretty damn close. Although Obama earned a lot of votes from black people, he also lost quite a few from racist people. I guess it goes both ways...

Anyone notice how the Republican advisers are just now coming out to bash Palin? I find it hilarious. Only the stubborn really believed that Palin was a good vice-President candidate during the election. Now that it's over, the truth really comes out.

[redsforlife]

mccain choosing pailin was just a desperate attempt to get mad hillary supporters to vote mccain. she probably didn't cost mccain the election, but she sure didn't help him in any way.

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Although Obama earned a lot of votes from black people, he also lost quite a few from racist people. I guess it goes both ways..

would be nice to see an area by area breakdown.  we would also need to know their ultimate deciding factor in voting

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Although Obama earned a lot of votes from black people, he also lost quite a few from racist people. I guess it goes both ways..

would be nice to see an area by area breakdown.  we would also need to know their ultimate deciding factor in voting

let's not be silly; i know people from our high school that didn't think he is a suitable president because his name isn't American enough. everyone knows racism exists, lets not act like it doesn't.

my point is that i think the amount of people who voted racistly against him, voted racistly for him.

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you're missing the point

it's not so cut and dry.  even if it was, 1k votes in la =/= 1k votes in penn (EVER.  and especially with a potential swing state)

you can say that "i know people in louisiana who voted against obama because he was black."  yeah, i'm sure there were people in louisiana who voted against obama because he was black, but how did this affect the outcome of the election?  was louisiana going to be won?  were these people ever going to vote democratic? etc.

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my point was never that Obama could win southern states. i never said that if people weren't racist, then obama would've won louisiana.

[a;sdlfkjas;df]

it was cancelled out; too many people voted against him because he is black; you're from the same state as me...you know the same as i do.

my post is something that you must consider.   this isn't a direct election.  the popular vote does not ultimately determine who enters the white house.  this is a multi-variable equation.

however, from a pure bulk number standpoint, obama carried 96 percent of the black vote (up 8 points) with a 2 percent proportional increase of black voter turnout v. total turnout (2 percent more of the total turnout).  i would post the white demographic breakdown, but it's even more misleading. i.e. not all black people voted obama because obama is black. there is a almost no polarization of party affiliation among black people in america.  thus, you could possibly assume that voters turned out to vote democratic rather than obama.  it would be even more misleading to look at the white vote through the "racism" lens as obama carried more of the white vote than kerry did in '04.  some assumptions here would tend to discredit the notion that at least some people voted against obama because of his color/ethnicity, and i would certainly agree that that's not the case

i know racism exists, but i think that it's oftentimes overutilized to describe things that may not necessarily boil down to a race v. race problem (going both ways.  i was serious when i said "in my opinion."  it was/and is just my gut feeling on the election for that specific issue), but again, i don't think that it was the determining factor either way.  this race wasn't close (6 percent projected margin in the popular vote.  a couple hundred point projected margin in the electoral college).  it was a definitive "mandate of the people" for "change"

[moby]

In  my opinion

another a huge point which got obama the win is that everyone really hated the buch era, so they didn't want to vote for some one mildly close to him

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it was cancelled out; too many people voted against him because he is black; you're from the same state as me...you know the same as i do.

my post is something that you must consider.   this isn't a direct election.  the popular vote does not ultimately determine who enters the white house.  this is a multi-variable equation.

however, from a pure bulk number standpoint, obama carried 96 percent of the black vote (up 8 points) with a 2 percent proportional increase of black voter turnout v. total turnout (2 percent more of the total turnout).  i would post the white demographic breakdown, but it's even more misleading. i.e. not all black people voted obama because obama is black. there is a almost no polarization of party affiliation among black people in america.  thus, you could possibly assume that voters turned out to vote democratic rather than obama.  it would be even more misleading to look at the white vote through the "racism" lens as obama carried more of the white vote than kerry did in '04.  some assumptions here would tend to discredit the notion that at least some people voted against obama because of his color/ethnicity, and i would certainly agree that that's not the case

i know racism exists, but i think that it's oftentimes overutilized to describe things that may not necessarily boil down to a race v. race problem (going both ways.  i was serious when i said "in my opinion."  it was/and is just my gut feeling on the election for that specific issue), but again, i don't think that it was the determining factor either way.  this race wasn't close (6 percent projected margin in the popular vote.  a couple hundred point projected margin in the electoral college).  it was a definitive "mandate of the people" for "change"

exactly, it is overutilized. that's why it's probably the case that they should  stop keeping track of "the black vote" and "the white vote" and using those numbers to describe things.

i think all of those numbers can be misleading, because no one really knows the motives of why a black man decided to vote this year. the increase in percentage makes people think that they are voting black, not democratic.

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that's why it's probably the case that they should  stop keeping track of "the black vote" and "the white vote" and using those numbers to describe things.

no, that's necessary.  if people wouldn't be so fucking stupid, it wouldn't be annoying