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Re: Sven's Official BrainTeaser Thread !! and Sander.
« Reply #636 on: Dec 04, 2008, 06:26: AM »
ok ok.

probability tree gave me a 65% chance of a cancelled flight

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Re: Sven's Official BrainTeaser Thread !! and Sander.
« Reply #637 on: Dec 04, 2008, 07:20: AM »
Oh yeah Mike is right. Well from on here I don't know.
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Re: Sven's Official BrainTeaser Thread !! and Sander.
« Reply #638 on: Dec 04, 2008, 07:54: AM »
ok ok.

probability tree gave me a 65% chance of a cancelled flight
Not entirely correct, but closer!

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Re: Sven's Official BrainTeaser Thread !! and Sander.
« Reply #639 on: Dec 04, 2008, 08:01: AM »
okay mike, i understand my mistake :cheers: i was so convinced that i had it :'( but i think this riddle needs quite a long 'chancetree' (don't know english term)
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Re: Sven's Official BrainTeaser Thread !! and Sander.
« Reply #640 on: Dec 04, 2008, 08:52: AM »
Try for smaller number of seats and maybe you'll find the logic, or you can just use induction, but that's harsch. :hello:

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Re: Sven's Official BrainTeaser Thread !! and Sander.
« Reply #641 on: Dec 04, 2008, 09:38: AM »
i tried it fot 5 seats, and i got 65% :'( but it was so long


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Re: Sven's Official BrainTeaser Thread !! and Sander.
« Reply #642 on: Dec 04, 2008, 07:15: PM »
Damn,this is one of the hardests so far...

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Re: Sven's Official BrainTeaser Thread !! and Sander.
« Reply #643 on: Dec 04, 2008, 07:47: PM »
You have to work it out by 1/100 x 1/99 x 1/98 x 1/97 and so on...

I think thats how you work it out
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Re: Sven's Official BrainTeaser Thread !! and Sander.
« Reply #644 on: Dec 05, 2008, 01:49: AM »
You have to work it out by 1/100 x 1/99 x 1/98 x 1/97 and so on...

I think thats how you work it out
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In addition to that, you couldn't be more wrong. That would be like 1/100! which is near 1/10^150, and not even that small numbers are required to measure your penis length.

Try for 3 seats, 4 seats, and so on. and maybe then you'll stumble upon the logic.

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Re: Sven's Official BrainTeaser Thread !! and Sander.
« Reply #645 on: Dec 09, 2008, 06:20: AM »
4 days, no anser. I can only conclude that no one's still trying to break it.

let a=highjacker, b=second person, c=third person

For 3 seats:

There are two different scenarios that could take place for the plane not getting cancelled.

p1 => a -> a 1/3
p2 => a -> b, b -> a 1/3*1/2

p1+p2 = 1/3+1/3*1/2=1/3+1/6=2/6+1/6=3/6=1/2

Hence there's 50% risk of it not being cancelled, it's 50% chance for it to be cancelled.

For 4 seats

Scenarios:

p1 => a -> a: 1/4
p2 => a -> b, b -> a: 1/4*1/3
p3 => a -> b, b -> c, c -> a: 1/4*1/3*1/2
p4 => a -> c, c -> a: 1/4*1/2

p1+p2+p3+p4=1/4+1/4*1/3+1/4*1/3*1/2+1/4*1/2=6/24+2/24+1/24+3/24=12/24=1/2
And again; Hence there's 50% risk of it not being cancelled, it's 50% chance for it to be cancelled.

(3!/4!+2!/4!+1!/4!+3!/2*4!=(2*3!+2*2+2+3!)/2*4!=(3*3!+2*3)/2*4!=(3*3!+3!)/2*4!=4!/2*4!=1/2)*

Seems to function for both 3 and 4 seats, and you will get the same answer if you try with 5, 6, 7... but I'm not going to do them, since the calculation is too long. Though, the induction would be something like p!/(2*p!)=1/2, where p!=1*2*3*...*(p-1)*p. Look at the solution marked with*

Though, this is not an evidence, since I have not proven it for every number.

Let´s look at it logicly.

The propability of the highjacker getting seated on his own seat is just as big as the propability of him getting seated on the CSI-agent´s seat.
The same goes for the next person; if his seat's taken, the propability is just as big as him getting seated on the highjackers seat as the CSI, and the next the same, and this will all continue until the last person before the CSI-agent gets seated and he has the same condition as the other people; the propability of him getting seated on the highjackers seat is just as big as getting seated as the CSI-agent´s seat which must then be 1/2.

The answer's ultimately 1/2

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Re: Sven's Official BrainTeaser Thread !! and Sander.
« Reply #646 on: Dec 09, 2008, 07:05: AM »
man great job mike. this is quite a hard answer, but i understand your explanation  :thumbsup:
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Re: Sven's Official BrainTeaser Thread !! and Sander.
« Reply #647 on: Dec 10, 2008, 06:59: AM »
That was a difficult one, Mike, well done! If anyone is up for a new one, just go ahead. :thumbsup: